The DID puzzle

[thetrucker]

I have had a problem sometimes with the thicker kanthal as it won't stay tight when I attach the post holes.

If I go back to my 28 awg guage--they seem to stay tite............just sayin................

 

[Annie56]

I know that this is an older thread, but i'll throw my hat into the ring. When you assemble the atty, you notice that the center tube is thin.
Screw down the top deck insulator, then the spacer. You want this tight so that your build doesn't shift. But do not ratchet it down. I noticed this when I built mine once. Ohms jumped around. It has also happened when i took the Did out with me. Center post somehow makes contact w the center tube. vape drops right off. Slightly adjusting the spacer (usually loosening it) squares up the center post for a quick fix until you can tear it down again. Dids are just great!! Congrats, and Keep on vaping!!

 

[Vaslovik]

Well I finally figured out why the ohms were jumping all over the place with my DID. It wasn't the DID. It was the ohms meter! I've gotten it sorted out with a new meter, and bought a second DID. I'm really happy with them both.

 

[MyMagicMist]

I thought about this for a bit, and wanted to say, mesh wick making is worth taking the time to learn to do well. Most of the reason that so many vapers abandon gennies for other arrangements is that they just won't take the time and invest the patience to learn to do that well, and it makes all the difference in your experience with it. Nowadays they just want to buy a coil head with a ready made wick and screw it into their atty.

Also, the people who claim you have to tilt a genny to get it to wick just can't build them right, because they don't care to invest time and effort in it, and that starts with a well made mesh wick. Without that you might as well just use cotton like the rest of the herd.

Your post here supplies me with hope that mesh is the way to go in using genny style tanks. It also supplies encouragement to attempt learning to make and use mesh wicks. Your post is quite persuasive.

On the other hand I have been told one has to ensure the coil does not contact mesh wick. This it's said will cause shorts. I still want to try mesh and have seen reference to slipping Ekowool over it as insulation. May attempt that route if indeed, I have trouble with shorts in using mesh.

I am actually becoming spoiled with the RSST. Trying to take drags off Evod style tanks now feels like sucking peas through a straw. *chuckles* Oh you evil perverts, subverting poor unsuspecting and humble intermediate vaper knights to the dark side with the secreted holy gennys. *chuckles*

 

[thetrucker]

Your post here supplies me with hope that mesh is the way to go in using genny style tanks. It also supplies encouragement to attempt learning to make and use mesh wicks. Your post is quite persuasive.

On the other hand I have been told one has to ensure the coil does not contact mesh wick. This it's said will cause shorts. I still want to try mesh and have seen reference to slipping Ekowool over it as insulation. May attempt that route if indeed, I have trouble with shorts in using mesh.

I got this idea from watching rip trippers making a mesh coil.......he rubs the mesh wick on a piece of

cotton and it picks up little chards of cotton and has a thin layer of cotton after he is done.

This seems to insulate the wick from the coil and works out nice...

Done this many times already and have had good luck.....

 

[Vaslovik]

Your post here supplies me with hope that mesh is the way to go in using genny style tanks. It also supplies encouragement to attempt learning to make and use mesh wicks. Your post is quite persuasive.

On the other hand I have been told one has to ensure the coil does not contact mesh wick. This it's said will cause shorts. I still want to try mesh and have seen reference to slipping Ekowool over it as insulation. May attempt that route if indeed, I have trouble with shorts in using mesh.

Hey Morley,

The mesh wick needs to be properly oxidized to prevent shorts, and hot legs. Once that's done it should indeed be in contact with the coil. Whoever is telling you it should not be in contact with the coil is misinformed, or just making stuff up. I've never had to use Ekowool or cotton, or anything else with my mesh wicks, and they work just dandy. A mesh wick is really a very simple thing, and I see no sense in complicating it with other wicking materials added in.

For as long as I've been rolling wicks I've seen people hate on mesh because they just cannot roll a wick with it and get it right. I think they are just too impatient and want instant results, rather than to learn a skill. Then they come up with all these other complications to add in, when just applying themselves to doing it well in the first place would have sufficed.

 

[Vaslovik]

I got this idea from watching rip trippers making a mesh coil.......he rubs the mesh wick on a piece of.

Excuse me sir, a mesh COIL?

 

[thetrucker]

Excuse me sir, a mesh COIL?

Sorry have not had my coffee yet...hahahahahah

 

[Annie56]

There is an OLD thread under the Genesis section. Gennys were invented in Germany. 'Raidy' was a pioneer. If you need to use other wicking material (cotton, silica, etc) to get a quick vape off of the atty that you purchased, go ahead. It's your atty, not mine. But mesh is a wick for your coil, and gennies were designed for mesh.
You can oxidize the mesh with a torch. But you still need to pulse it out and get all cylinders firing on the atty. Or you can wrap the coil on a raw mesh, and slowly pulse it out--using the coil to do the job that the blow torch does. Once you have oxidation complete, the mesh becomes inert, just like cotton or silica. And in my case--200 mesh verges on overwicking.
I think the key is making sure that the coil is really snug on that wick. If Petar K works to get to that snuggness, great. If hand-wrapping achieves that snuggness, great. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Loose wraps are the enemy. Not mesh.
Learn from that old thread, wherever it is on this forum. I'd look for it myself, but i gots me a coil jig to play with

 

[Annie56]

Wrap

Your post here supplies me with hope that mesh is the way to go in using genny style tanks. It also supplies encouragement to attempt learning to make and use mesh wicks. Your post is quite persuasive.

On the other hand I have been told one has to ensure the coil does not contact mesh wick. This it's said will cause shorts. I still want to try mesh and have seen reference to slipping Ekowool over it as insulation. May attempt that route if indeed, I have trouble with shorts in using mesh.

I am actually becoming spoiled with the RSST. Trying to take drags off Evod style tanks now feels like sucking peas through a straw. *chuckles* Oh you evil perverts, subverting poor unsuspecting and humble intermediate vaper knights to the dark side with the secreted holy gennys. *chuckles*

it tight!!! My wraps move with a screwdriver when i start pulsing power through. Pulse it out slow on a partially discharged battery. When all coils glow even, swap to fresh batt. A short will look like a bright spot, and you may see glowing fibers from the mesh. Loose wrap will glow brighter. Once the coil is pulsed out--mesh becomes inert like cotton--as a wicking material.

 

[Vaslovik]

There is an OLD thread under the Genesis section. Gennys were invented in Germany. 'Raidy' was a pioneer. If you need to use other wicking material (cotton, silica, etc) to get a quick vape off of the atty that you purchased, go ahead. It's your atty, not mine. But mesh is a wick for your coil, and gennies were designed for mesh.
You can oxidize the mesh with a torch. But you still need to pulse it out and get all cylinders firing on the atty. Or you can wrap the coil on a raw mesh, and slowly pulse it out--using the coil to do the job that the blow torch does. Once you have oxidation complete, the mesh becomes inert, just like cotton or silica. And in my case--200 mesh verges on overwicking.
I think the key is making sure that the coil is really snug on that wick. If Petar K works to get to that snuggness, great. If hand-wrapping achieves that snuggness, great. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Loose wraps are the enemy. Not mesh.
Learn from that old thread, wherever it is on this forum. I'd look for it myself, but i gots me a coil jig to play with

Thankyouverymuch m'dear!

 

[Vaslovik]

On your RSST you kinda want your coil to look like this:



I still have 4 RSST's and were I not completely spoiled by my DID's I'd still be using them. They served me very well for a couple years. There's nothing at all wrong with the humble RSST.

I use a dental pick to work the loops into an even glow while pulsing the coil, you have to be very gentle with this:



Now should you have trouble with rolling mesh wicks, as many have, there is an alternative approach I don't recommend to everyone, called the Val de Travers method that puts you in a more relaxed frame of mind before starting to roll your wick, reducing the impatience that foils so many beginners.

 

[MyMagicMist]

Hey Morley,

The mesh wick needs to be properly oxidized to prevent shorts, and hot legs. Once that's done it should indeed be in contact with the coil. Whoever is telling you it should not be in contact with the coil is misinformed, or just making stuff up.

Ahhhhh H'okey dokey.

I see now. I will definitely be trying mesh now for sure. I've seen PB doing the oxidizing in his videos. Seen how he rolls mesh. Think I can do that. Sure it may take a little bit to get it but to me it just seems a matter of learn it once, good skill forever known. And it seems you're right too. Sit down, do it enough to get it, got it.
Was not bashing or hating on gennys or mesh here. Now, I got better info. Thank you.

 

[MyMagicMist]

On your RSST you kinda want your coil to look like this:



I still have 4 RSST's and were I not completely spoiled by my DID's I'd still be using them. They served me very well for a couple years. There's nothing at all wrong with the humble RSST.

I use a dental pick to work the loops into an even glow while pulsing the coil, you have to be very gentle with this:



Now should you have trouble with rolling mesh wicks, as many have, there is an alternative approach I don't recommend to everyone, called the Val de Travers method that puts you in a more relaxed frame of mind before starting to roll your wick, reducing the impatience that foils so many beginners.

Wow. Okay, I'll have to soon do be doing a rebuild. Going to explore this sub forum about gennys a bit today too. Need to wait a bit to do a little buying of a few needed items. I'm seeing what to me seems simple stuff, that does require learning mastery over. Still it is simple stuff. Need to slow down is all. *chuckles*

 

[Vaslovik]

Ahhhhh H'okey dokey.

I see now. I will definitely be trying mesh now for sure. I've seen PB doing the oxidizing in his videos. Seen how he rolls mesh.

I take it you are referring to the great PBusardo. It's worth noting that his entry into genesis atomizers was rather recent, but I heartily applaud his enthusiasm, and the positive publicity he gave gennies, saying they were the best vape of his life. He's got a little way to go on his wick rolling and coiling technique, but he's got the right idea and plenty of enthusiasm. I always loved that guy

At the risk of being repetitive:

 

[Vaslovik]

Still it is simple stuff. Need to slow down is all. *chuckles*

Patience is key, it doesn't help at all to get into a rush. Have what you need on hand, materials, tools and time. Resolve to just do builds until you are satisfied and pleased with your end product. You may have to wind coil after coil, and roll wick after wick, and work at it for a while, but at the end of the day you will have achieved something if you just keep at it. Building gennies right is a skill worth having and will set you apart from the B&M screw-in coil bunch, and most importantly from the swarming dripper hoard.

 

[Annie56]

Here's a coil i just...DiD:
5/4 on my fancy new coil jig. Installed coil on the DiD. Pulsed empty coil. Rerolled a nice 200 wick. Wick wouldn't fit so i trimmed some from the width. Wick still wouldn't fit so i rolled it again. Wick still wouldn't fit, so i pressed and rolled on my bench...
Wick still wouldn't fit, so i bashed it with the base of my acetylene torch. Rolled it back into a cylinder. Still wouldn't fit so i shot it with my Walther P22 Semiautomatic (JK!!). Got it into the coil. Undid the neg lead, and made that coil tight.
Pulsed it out, rotated the jam nut to snug up the top wrap. Tested with dripped juice. Worked out a couple more hot spots. Put juice in the tank, and i now lay here DYING from how GOOD the vape is from this ugly coil.
*I think ill save the coil jig for my AIOS tank*

 

[Annie56]

I take it you are referring to the great PBusardo. It's worth noting that his entry into genesis atomizers was rather recent, but I heartily applaud his enthusiasm, and the positive publicity he gave gennies, saying they were the best vape of his life. He's got a little way to go on his wick rolling and coiling technique, but he's got the right idea and plenty of enthusiasm. I always loved that guy

At the risk of being repetitive:

His setups will never win any beauty contest, but he wraps directly onto the wick, and understands how important it is to have good wick/coil contact!! PB's my guy, and looks like my Dad!!

 

[Vaslovik]

View attachment 521210 Here's a coil i just...DiD:
5/4 on my fancy new coil jig. Installed coil on the DiD. Pulsed empty coil. Rerolled a nice 200 wick. Wick wouldn't fit so i trimmed some from the width. Wick still wouldn't fit so i rolled it again. Wick still wouldn't fit, so i pressed and rolled on my bench...
Wick still wouldn't fit, so i bashed it with the base of my acetylene torch. Rolled it back into a cylinder. Still wouldn't fit so i shot it with my Walther P22 Semiautomatic (JK!!). Got it into the coil. Undid the neg lead, and made that coil tight.
Pulsed it out, rotated the jam nut to snug up the top wrap. Tested with dripped juice. Worked out a couple more hot spots. Put juice in the tank, and i now lay here DYING from how GOOD the vape is from this ugly coil.
*I think ill save the coil jig for my AIOS tank*

Wow girl! I have to admire the lengths to which you will go to get a wick to fit! I find that just cutting the mesh 35mm X 60mm works well enough with 400 mesh in a DID. I've yet to try 200 mesh. Doesn't that overwick just a bit? If you are getting a lot of juice inside under the cap it's overwicking. Have you tried 400 mesh yet? I've used it for a long time, and I almost never have to shoot it.

 

[Vaslovik]

His setups will never win any beauty contest, but he wraps directly onto the wick, and understands how important it is to have good wick/coil contact!! PB's my guy, and looks like my Dad!!

Yeah, he's my guy too

You just gotta love Phil, that big vaping teddy bear