The dilemma of being a vapist and a tobacconist

[The Vaped Crusader]

Despite me constantly chucking clouds of buttered coffee vapor my official self employed job title is as a tobacconist. I manually roll about 200+ cigs a day by hand that I produce from whole leaf organic tobacco. I flavor and age the sourced leaves, chop, grind and shred until I achieve results my clients want. I make organic tobacco products and put massive amounts of time into providing my customers with top notch tobacco and help to promote my brands of products and services which are otherwise hard to produce online or at local shops. People want vanilla hand rolled cigars, increased nicotine, spiced flavors, raspberry or lavender tobacco products and I deliver.

Yet I am an absolute chain vaping hippy who casually smokes once a week at most and more than not I do so to ensure the quality of my product. But when your making hundreds of dollars a week working from the comfort of home it is impossible to say no yet I see many people in the vape community look down at smoking yet here I am promoting it and getting people hooked on my products.

I am not sure how this would be taken by vapists as their seems to be a stigma against us smokers but then again maybe I am not a true vapist either as I openly prefer the taste of fine tobacco over e-juice but wish not to taint the smell of my product in my own home yet alone walk outside to smoke my pipe.

I am a very religious person and consider myself having excellent moral fiber yet I make custom cigarettes so my clients can do smooth inhales with tobacco that has an altered nicotine increase. Am I scum of the earth or just a run of the mill hustler?

 

[dripster]

Purgatory just kidding so sorry I apologize for the fact I did it on purpose.

 

[Psihoza]

As hiody,

 

[Psihoza]

I would not judge you but would applaud you if you slowly stop selling it, of course only if you honestly believe smoking is much worse than vaping.

But what about starting with vaping products and earn money with that. For your profile I think making your own naturally extractex tobacco juices would be compatible with your current occupation. Maybe start with that in parallel, honestly tell yoir client yoir opinion and your story about vaping and then see how it goes. Maybe NET income surpases your tobacco income and it makes your decision even easier?

 

[The Vaped Crusader]

I would not judge you but would applaud you if you slowly stop selling it, of course only if you honestly believe smoking is much worse than vaping.

But what about starting with vaping products and earn money with that. For your profile I think making your own naturally extracted tobacco juices would be compatible with your current occupation. Maybe start with that in parallel, honestly tell your client your opinion and your story about vaping and then see how it goes. Maybe NET income surpases your tobacco income and it makes your decision even easier?

I have made my opinion on tobacco usage quite explicit to my clients but I don't push it on them. Some clients are health conscious hence they prefer my usage of organic tobacco and by no means are chain smoking a whole pack yet alone inhaling it. To this very day I enjoy an unfiltered coffee flavored cig on weekend nights because the flavor is just fantastic to me. I do enjoy my own creations obviously regardless of health concerns, and there are many smokers looking for flavor only hence they come to me by word of mouth.

Maybe I should be a bit more pushy and promote my e-juices more, as of now I just blend concoctions for my buddies who mostly vape and I do it for free considering the ease of it. But I am also a strong capitalist and I feel very intimidated about putting my morals in my business. It scares the hell out of me and having depression issues only makes me a very awkward person. I am not gonna deny that my room looks like a Walter White .... lab because of my work.

 

[dripster]

Personally, I, would not applaud you if you slowly stop selling it, as the consumption of alcohol in the from of drinking beers is also unhealthy, yet, despite that, here in Belgium we still have the International Trappist Association.

Trappistenbieren en -monniken

 

[stols001]

I'm kind of like more like "How on earth did you get this awesome job." LOL.

I mean, is this cater to the very rich or what and don't you get, ah bored? IDK I feel like if I had a job making custom cigarettes I would be very, very bored.

My little brother did once try to convince me that he felt he had a calling "in Amsterdam" creating custom hand crafted similar products and I will admit said products are very well made and whatnot, but I could not help but feel the market for said products would be both small, ultra rich, and slightly LUDICROUS I mean they were better than the machined ones, sure, but only the ultra rich must waste any time on that surely?

Although I'm all about parting the ultra-rich from their money, but this just smacks of a slight patina of ludicrous and pretentious, so I'm not necessarily condemning you from that necessarily either. I mean.... We all do it to a certain extent.

Do you watch daytime TV as you do it or would that detract from the end product due to distractions? Just how artisan are we talking here ? And, pics? I really really above all want to see pictures of your, um, manufacturing area.

LOL, it kind of sounds like the cigarette I might want to smoke right before my death so how does one place an order? I'm going to need it in a glass capsule that says, "If near the nearest emergency, death, well, break glass.

And, etc.

Anna

 

[ENAUD]

Hey man, whatever works for you. I loved smoking, and still miss it at times, but I made the switch to vaping because of my health concerns. If folks are wanting to buy your product, I see no moral reason to not provide that to them, free market in action. I don't know what country you hail from so no idea of what your legal situation is, but if you are in any way at risk from your particular situation, that should be reflected in the cost of your product, it is what it is. At least you are choosing to use what is best for you. Keep On Keepin' On.

 

[The Vaped Crusader]

I'm kind of like more like "How on earth did you get this awesome job." LOL.

Simple . . .

Think.
Wake up.
Find people.
Offer samples.
They enjoy samples.
Charge them for more.
They prefer your product.
They become loyal to product.

See that text? Literally a pyramid scheme!

I mean, is this cater to the very rich or what and don't you get, ah bored? IDK I feel like if I had a job making custom cigarettes I would be very, very bored.

I usually just produce at my desk while listening to audio books. Making e-juice and rolling is very therapeutic to me. My dysthymia is best calmed when I am doing something monotonous or something yielding results. Rich smoke my product daily while those below smoke them casually.

My little brother did once try to convince me that he felt he had a calling "in Amsterdam" creating custom hand crafted similar products and I will admit said products are very well made and whatnot, but I could not help but feel the market for said products would be both small, ultra rich, and slightly LUDICROUS I mean they were better than the machined ones, sure, but only the ultra rich must waste any time on that surely?

To a degree but it is also satisfying every time you make a pack of strawberry tobacco from organic products knowing you literally have no competition. I once had a guy ask what is in my fruit tobacco and my response was literally, "fruit, what else." I am unrivaled in all of California as far as I know in both quality and market. Yes my market is small and no more than 30ish people at a daily constant but it pays bills and I am always up for expansion.

Although I'm all about parting the ultra-rich from their money, but this just smacks of a slight patina of ludicrous and pretentious, so I'm not necessarily condemning you from that necessarily either. I mean.... We all do it to a certain extent.

Do you watch daytime TV as you do it or would that detract from the end product due to distractions? Just how artisan are we talking here ? And, pics? I really really above all want to see pictures of your, um, manufacturing area.

I stopped watching TV a decade ago, I am a bibliophile with a pretty lavish personal library at the moment. Plus with a digital book subscriptions providing audiobooks, I get a lot of work done by not fiddling with pages. I grew up poor a few blocks from a very famous ghetto and have hustled my way to money since. I may be legit but not having money is the only thing that makes me sad.

LOL, it kind of sounds like the cigarette I might want to smoke right before my death so how does one place an order? I'm going to need it in a glass capsule that says, "If near the nearest emergency, death, well, break glass.

And, etc.

Anna

Hehehe
A good tobacco product is to die for in my opinion. Vaping is becoming a norm but I truly wish tobacco would stop being a cheap thrill as Big Tobacco has made it and become a distinguished and novel experience. Nobody needs the worries about their health but at the same time your phone provides you with plenty of cancer as is. Keep it simple and clean, which is why I only deal in organic products. More expensive sure but it also works as a deterrent from chain smoking. I have now made people go from smoking a pack a day to a pack a week as the stinkies don't cut it for them and prefer a vastly higher quality product.

My next market venture is e-juice production at this point.

 

[stols001]

I'm sure it will be fantastic.

I really don't think that my phone gives me cancer. I really really don't. I also don't believe in "Sorta" gluten intolerance, or that microwaves leech all the nutrients from food and I KNOW how terrible life is and etc., like the fact that turtles have straws in their noses etc, but life expectancy just continues to climb. I mean, I'm sure like, it won't climb indefinitely that's not a feasible structure or whatnot.

But your tobacco sounds nice, so glad I'm not buying it. I'd probably hate it, honestly, but I have enjoyed the fine "heavy metals" taste of Basics in college, LOL. Tobacco's nice and so is nice tobacco but I'm in life for the EFFECT. LOL. Trust me, there is no mythical pack of smokes that would get me down to like one pack a week, I'm more a three pack a day chick.

Anna

 

[United States]

A clear conscience makes for a mighty soft pillow at night. If your conscience is clear, who are we to judge.

The "plank in my eye versus the speck in yours" comes to mind. And it aint like you're selling dope to pregnant ladies.

I like the suggestion of making NET juice. Then perhaps show the virtues of todays fine mouth to lung devices to thwart the notion that vapers are cloudy dope smokers that big tobacco has successfully been able to portray this industry.

Yup

 

[stols001]

Uh I have heard (I did not test this hypothesis) that dope is healthier than tobacco when it comes to pregnancy I mean look at Jamaica. They've done studies there that found zero difference because trying to do one here would result in a lot of CPS reports.

I will note that quitting smoking for pregnancy and nursing was like the HARDEST thing I've ever done, and I wanted to smoke the WHOLE time. LOL.

Anna

 

[The Vaped Crusader]

Uh I have heard (I did not test this hypothesis) that dope is healthier than tobacco when it comes to pregnancy I mean look at Jamaica. They've done studies there that found zero difference because trying to do one here would result in a lot of CPS reports.

I will note that quitting smoking for pregnancy and nursing was like the HARDEST thing I've ever done, and I wanted to smoke the WHOLE time. LOL.

Anna

I am a drug baby along with 8 other siblings and other kids I know. We came out fine but about half of us got our family's depression issue. Suicide is a massive killer in my family next to overdosing on drugs. It goes back a few generations on record actually.

I wouldn't recommend doing any drug while pregnant, not liquor or coffee either. Make it as clean as possible.

 

[stols001]

Like I said, I did not test the hypothesis. I didn't smoke or do anything during my pregnancy and nursing, I did not feel I had the right or desire to make that choice for some other human being.

I'm sorry to hear about your situation and I will note that all this pregnancy stuff is a relatively new development etc. I mean I know women who talked about being able to smoke during LABOR. LOL, I certainly envied them in some ways, but look back even further Anais Nin, who I think died of TB, was told to like, "fortify her lungs" but smoking MORE.

Plenty of unhealthy things were once considered fine, or even better than fine. I am however stating that when it comes to risk during pregnancy what studies that ARE available seem to indicate it's not the hugest deal in the world. I have no idea. All I know is my first husband was given coca cola in his baby bottle which like, I also wouldn't ever consider doing.

However, I also try not to be judgmental about most things. But, when I lived in Baltimore there was a program for women using hard drugs with no end in sight to get reversible but fairly long lasting birth control and they were PAID to do it, and I see ZERO things wrong with that program, in fact I thought it was and is an awesome idea. But, I'm also not Catholic, and I don't think there is anything wrong with money as an incentive to avoid a bunch of drug addicted kiddos being born that the addicted mother doesn't even WANT to have. Etc.

Anna

 

[Letitia]

Vape Crusader just do you. Just because I chose to vape exclusively doesn't give me any reason to look down on non vapers or dual users. Most of us smoked for much longer than we've vaped. What the hell would give any of us the right to judge?