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Marcutio311

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Anyways I will try a echo carto eventually for now i got some great horizontal ones i use from nhaler already. And um I forgot to think about the charger so I just got the regular kr808 10 dollar usb/wall charger i use with my on the go mf style batt. So I hope it works fine to charge this puppy or I will have to buy another charger and pay shipping again :( haaa
 

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Anyways I will try a echo carto eventually for now i got some great horizontal ones i use from nhaler already. And um I forgot to think about the charger so I just got the regular kr808 10 dollar usb/wall charger i use with my on the go mf style batt. So I hope it works fine to charge this puppy or I will have to buy another charger and pay shipping again :( haaa

Cropduster has the echo usb charger for 2.75 if you need one.
 

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"Yes, but! Let's face it, the danger of unregulated circuits is real. And on mods, Chinese batteries are often "fake". What's that mean? It means that the wrapper on the cells may say "Protected UltraFire" but the protection circuit is absent or doesn't work. And plain cheapest (or even used) Li-Ion batteries are packaged to look like more expensive Ultrafires.

I just got a mod in the Priority Mail today. The 14500 Ultrafires have enough spelling errors on them to scare me. I have no idea if they have working protection circuits, or any at all. The mod-maker used a simple switch, no regulator. A regulator drops the voltage a bit, but also adds some protection."


I assume this is in reference to my comment on regulated eGo batteries. Perhaps I should have worded it differently. For safety and personal protection "protected" batteries are the only way to go and if that mean regulated then I'm fine with that. What I don't like to see is anyone getting a 3.2v battery with no way of knowing except to put a VM on it. I would imagine, though I don't know for sure, that most fat bats are protected and are still 3.7v minimum.

On your point about Chinese batteries, what are the chances of buying batteries anywhere that don't come from China? I buy all my protected mod bats from focalprice.com at just a little over half the cost of US vendors with free shipping. Am very satisfied with the TrustFire and UltraFire units I have. I checked after reading your experience and couldn't find any spelling errors.

After reading another post of yours I checked mine and the regular Echo was 2.5ohm, my used Dual Coil Echo is 1.6ohms, a new one was 1.9ohm.

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@Errol, in other words I'm full of **it? Not very tactful.

First take a look at the batteries I was referring to. Use glasses and a dictionary if you need to.

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Secondly, look at the MtnVapor web site. Here ECHO Cartomizer

They have modified their listing to spec the dual coils at 2.2 to 2.4 Ohms, not TOO far off from what I said.

I may have opinions, but I'm not prone to BS. No point in my asking for some sort of mitigation.

Here's an opinion: these Dual Coil Echo-Es give a little more vapor than the single coils, a little faster, but the main difference is the vapor is surprisingly warm, too warm for my taste. You don't have to wait for the body to heat up to get a bit of a blast-furnace effect. A bit hard on the old mucosa. Going back to a single coil Echo-E, or Boge 2 Ohm, or even a SMOK EMDCC, is a relief. People who like it hot should love tail-piping 'em.
 
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What voltage are you running them at? None of mine have produced a hot vape at all. That is why I like them over other duals I've tried. I don't find a huge amount of vapor difference but there is more and the flavor is better to me. Everyone is different though and that is the reason there are so many different PV's and cartos.:2cool:
 

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That's curious. I'm running an eGo, it's PWM, don't know what the exact effective voltage is, I don't know if I can trust a digital meter. It's somewhere in the customary 3.X range. Not > 4 volts. The vapor is significantly hotter than with the single coils on the only one I've had time to try. It could be a fluke unit, but it sort of makes sense to me given how close that top coil is to the rubber whistle tip. Any kind of extension cools it right down. All the Echos have "fat" vapor, but the DC has a very thick easily-condensing quality, more than the single coil I think, I would hazard a guess that the average droplet size is on the large side.
 
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Fernand,

Sorry you took my post as being confrontational, it certainly wasn't my intention. By no stretch of the imagination do I think you are "in other words I'm full of **it?".

I don't doubt any words you have written. I had/have no doubt you had received questionable batteries and from the pictures it appear they may have been repackaged. My only point in checking mine was to make sure I didn't have any questionable batteries from my Chinese supplier.

As for the ohm readings I have/had no doubt your readings were correct, I was simply adding another reference point. I'm sure that most everyone here knows that ohms can vary greatly from batch to batch, many times unit to unit in some brands. I was a little surprised to see Echo vary that much but it's excusable this early in the production cycle I suppose.

"I may have opinions, but I'm not prone to BS. No point in my asking for some sort of mitigation."

I'm so sorry you thought I was challenging your honesty or integrity, I wasn't, I was simply expressing my opinion with no intent to discredit your opinions, observations or conclusions. I'll try to be a little more subtle in the future, though I am irritated about batteries being regulated at 3.2V and sold to unsuspecting novice buyers with no way of them knowing up front.

"Here's an opinion: these Dual Coil Echo-Es give a little more vapor than the single coils, a little faster, but the main difference is the vapor is surprisingly warm, too warm for my taste. You don't have to wait for the body to heat up to get a bit of a blast-furnace effect. A bit hard on the old mucosa. Going back to a single coil Echo-E, or Boge 2 Ohm, or even a SMOK EMDCC, is a relief. People who like it hot should love tail-piping 'em.?

My first 2 Echos were single coil Echo-E, it was and still is a disappointment at any voltage I've tried up to 5v. I read somewhere that the single coil Echo-E was not up to par with the HS Dual Coil Echo Cart. I only read it from one source but just in case I ordered 901 threaded units this time. There is a world of difference in the battery end, on the 901 everything is flush at the bat end with packing 3/8" down from the top surface whereas the 510 is recessed nearly 1/2" on the bat end and the packing i/2" down from the top. Given that the exterior dimension are the same these numbers mean the 510 unit packs everything in about 1/2" less space putting the coils 1/2' closer to the mouth. One more reference point, on my 901 DC the top coil is 15/16" down from the top of the casing. I'd be curious as to how far down your fist coil is from the top surface of the casing.

My only reason for that paragraph with all the measurements is to point out a possible reason why my 901 Dual Coil ECHO is one of the very best vapes I've experienced in over nine months and you are having an unsatisfactory experience.

Errol
 

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What TX is saying is certainly what may be happening. I've noticed with a few of my Echo auto batts is that when you look into the battery connection side, you'll see what looks like a very small washer with the center hole. I've found I have to pull up very slightly on that to charge the batts, or to get them to light up when I put them on the charger after. This is on an older set of Echo batts, a set I purchased just when the Echo was gaining popularity. Not sure if the manufacturer has fixed this issue, as most of the Echo auto kit's I've gotten since then haven't had this issue. I've always blamed it on my need to clean the battery's after each use with a paper towel, perhaps pressing down a bit excessively on that portion. Pulling up that section gently has always fixed the charging issues. Hope this helps.
 

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OK, Errol, Peace!

On the dual coil Echo-e, I measure close to 11 mm from the plane of the metal carto lip down to the top coil, maybe 10.75 mm, hard to be more accurate without risking catastrophating it down to single coil status by pressing on the coil. That would be 0.433" or a bit less. I dunno in fractional inches, I guess around 7/16". So you've found the cause. That top coil in the Echo-e IS about 1/2" closer to the user's lips than in the original, a far cry from 15/16".

It's not that it's "unsatisfactory", it's nice'n thick monsoon vapor, the condensation is noticeable in the mouthpiece. I'm vaping it, but gently, or the vapor gets a bit warm. I was just helping a friend in France order some plain Echo-Es, and even for those, the site says "vapeur chaude", "warm/hot vapor". The single coils actually seem nice'n cool. Are you using the original tip? I don't have any 801 format hardware, but a cut down old cart in that diameter would make a great mouthpiece and cool it right down. I love old 510 carts as mouthpieces on CE2s and Boge 2.0s and so on.
 
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@Yokomoto---on my manual batteries when charging, the battery button only blinks when first plugged in, the charger light is red and when the battery is fully charged the charger light turns green. I think it is this way on some echo batteries. I suppose its according which supplier they are bought from. I have had mine for 2+ months. I'v had more trouble with dull taste on my single coil cartomizers than anything. I recently bought but haven't used yet the new dc cartomizers. Hopeing for better flavor.

For everyone else--I read that the Kgo batteries are better and stronger to use with the Echo cartomizers. Anyone know if this is so? Two more questions--who has the strongest flavors that work best on the Echo and how do you trim a Ego cartridge down to fit as a tip for the Echo????
 

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I'm not sure what the echo-e battery is off the charger but I think it is 4.2 v the same as the Kgo. The Echo auto battery is 3.8 V off the charger. I've never tried the Echo carto with my Kgo being as I would need an adapter. You can use the Echo-e with it though which I've used. They work about the same for me as the standard Echo with the auto battery.
 

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Forgive me for not getting back to you sooner. Thanks for the info on the Ego Mega, I will probably try one in the future. For right now, I got more Echo's from NHaler, so I'll just work through them. Seems to me the operating "cost" of both cartos is about the same, if you don't clean them, so I don't see any difference there.

Sorry if I got you "in trouble" for asking about a different model on this Echo forum, that wasn't my intention! Didn't know the rules were that strict here!
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I'm warming to the dual coil Echo-e. On the second refill, the taste has gotten stronger for some reason.

@Tinki I don't see how the eGo carts will fit. The eGo-T tanks I have are about the same size as the eGo A carts, and about a millimeter wider than the mouth of the Echo-e. An 801 drip tips fits reasonably well, and so the 801 format carts should be good.
 
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