The Echo Thread

[Docliv]

Hi All,
An electrical engineer told me that the faster the charging time for any rechargable lithium-Ion battery will reduce the overall life-cycle of the unit. Slower charging causes the battery to absorb more of a charge. This fills up the charge in the battery more fully thus incrementally increasing battery longevity. While the 150mA adapter may be inconvenient for some, my 1300mAh Echo takes about 8 hours to charge, but I get way over double that time vaping. I love my Echo!

 

[txtumbleweed]

These 1300 with the red LED don't have a cutoff. I can draw as long as I possibly can 10 seconds or so and no cutoff.

 

[txtumbleweed]

Each iGo battery lasts me 12-18 hours so I don't think the battery is misrepresented.

Does your iGo say 420 ma output or 150 ma output? BillB threw that in so there might be some confusion. If your iGo is 1100 ma and the charger puts out 150 ma it is impossible to charge a dead battery in two hours. You could charge a 300 mah batt in two hours. What they are saying is the charger isn't labled correctly if it says 150 ma output and you are getting a full charge in 2 or 3 hours.

 

[Sunray]

Echo-E Cartos:

I got my shipment from Cropduster and have been using an Echo-E carto on an Ego-T Battery most of the day. It's great and works flawlessly. Taste and vapor on my favorite juice is excellent and consistent. So, I'd have to say that the Echo-E carto performs better than anything I've tried on my Ego-T batteries. I'll go ahead and say it - it outperforms my GoGo with the same juice. The flavor and vapor are actually better than the GoGo in my opinion.

I have been using the same set-up as you for the past three days and I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said about it except the GoGo part (I don't own one). This Carto is the part that I have been waiting on and it was worth the wait. If and when they begin to sell the carts in packs of five, I will order some more to go with the two that I have.

NOTE: With these echo-e carts, you do not take a "toot" or drag. You take a sip or a full drink. Now this is with a manual battery......Press the button before placing it into your mouth then place the mouthpiece into your mouth for one or two seconds, take a small inhale and enjoy the trip! The longer you hold the button, the longer the trip.

The only negative I have was the carts threads on both were not smooth and took a little effort to place on the battery. I have read that there is the same problem with some of the new GoGo carts.

 

[FlipnOut]

Hi All,
An electrical engineer told me that the faster the charging time for any rechargable lithium-Ion battery will reduce the overall life-cycle of the unit. Slower charging causes the battery to absorb more of a charge. This fills up the charge in the battery more fully thus incrementally increasing battery longevity. While the 150mA adapter may be inconvenient for some, my 1300mAh Echo takes about 8 hours to charge, but I get way over double that time vaping. I love my Echo!

I don't disagree with him, but from what I've experienced in 18 months of vaping, the batteries will die of being dropped/abused/etc long before they will be destroyed by a 1c charge rate. At 1c, the realistic lifespan is over 300 charge cycles on Li-Ion tech. For most of us this is nearly a year. Within 1 year, the Echo IIIgs-4g will be available with a top, middle, and bottom atomizer coil, as well as a vertical coil and will last 500 fills before needing to be cleaned. It will come with a 3500mah battery with variable voltage and a whatchamacallit. Seriously though, charging these at 400ma isn't going to damage the battery. Whether the circuitry attached to the battery can handle it is another story.....

Just my 2 cents.
-Flip

 

[FlipnOut]

These 1300 with the red LED don't have a cutoff. I can draw as long as I possibly can 10 seconds or so and no cutoff.

I can say that the blue tipped ones that I got do have a 5 second cutoff. I hit it everytime I puff on it, but it's no big deal, release quickly and puff again. Not like other models that I used that forced you to wait for 10 seconds before you could take another drag.

 

[txtumbleweed]

I can say that the blue tipped ones that I got do have a 5 second cutoff. I hit it everytime I puff on it, but it's no big deal, release quickly and puff again. Not like other models that I used that forced you to wait for 10 seconds before you could take another drag.

That is one of the things I like about these, them not having a cutoff but we must have two versions out there. That is good they don't have that waiting time. That ruined the vape on the 1st generation autos.

 

[JWebb]

Txtumbleweed, thanks for the thread, mwa102464 has been telling me these are great as well. Worth chicking out!

 

[txtumbleweed]

I can say that the blue tipped ones that I got do have a 5 second cutoff. I hit it everytime I puff on it, but it's no big deal, release quickly and puff again. Not like other models that I used that forced you to wait for 10 seconds before you could take another drag.

OK I stand corrected again. lol Mine does have a 5 sec cutoff. I have COPD from smoking too many years and I guess I was counting fast but man a 5 sec drag is a long drag and I never get close to it. Thanks for straightening me out, I've been saying they didn't have a cutoff. I know the old ones used to cutoff all the time and it was very frustrating.

 

[txtumbleweed]

Txtumbleweed, thanks for the thread, mwa102464 has been telling me these are great as well. Worth chicking out!

You're more than welcome. If I like something I like to share it with other vapers and if I don't like it I express that as well. When you have a PV that has 90% good reports the 10% that don't like them can confuse the issue. When you have something that 99% agree on it is hard for the 1% to muddy the water. We are all in this together and most want the other to have the best vape possible and want new vapers to have success and stay off the killer cigarettes.

 

[melloyello]

I don't disagree with him, but from what I've experienced in 18 months of vaping, the batteries will die of being dropped/abused/etc long before they will be destroyed by a 1c charge rate. At 1c, the realistic lifespan is over 300 charge cycles on Li-Ion tech. For most of us this is nearly a year. Within 1 year, the Echo IIIgs-4g will be available with a top, middle, and bottom atomizer coil, as well as a vertical coil and will last 500 fills before needing to be cleaned. It will come with a 3500mah battery with variable voltage and a whatchamacallit. Seriously though, charging these at 400ma isn't going to damage the battery. Whether the circuitry attached to the battery can handle it is another story.....

Just my 2 cents.
-Flip

i agree with this. if the battery will last 7 months instead of 10, its really no big deal. the fact that i have to put a dead batter charging right after its dead just so its done charging just in time when the next one goes dead, is a bit irritating. i thought once and for all my battery worries are over when i can use the thing about 10 hours on a full charge...but no.
dont get me wrong, i love my echo, the best pv ive tried...and ive tried many. ok i havent. just the ego/riva and bloog maxx fusion.

 

[melloyello]

oh and btw...i killed 1 carto today. dont vape tastyvapors liquids if you love your cartos. used it 3 days (roughly 15 ml of juice), disected it and it was completely clogged at the burner. the last 24 hrs i noticed lack of vapor and taste. i kept refilling (it acted like it was out of juice) but drips came out of the bottom after 10 top-off-drips. i kept vaping it throughout the day but wasnt very happy about the while experience....i thought maybe the battery is close to going dead so i switched and same thing...nothing changed. i dontknow what tastyvapor uses in their juices but it was a killer for my carto. did some research and found out that many others are complaining about the very same thing regarding TV liquids.

 

[txtumbleweed]

i agree with this. if the battery will last 7 months instead of 10, its really no big deal. the fact that i have to put a dead batter charging right after its dead just so its done charging just in time when the next one goes dead, is a bit irritating. i thought once and for all my battery worries are over when i can use the thing about 10 hours on a full charge...but no.
dont get me wrong, i love my echo, the best pv ive tried...and ive tried many. ok i havent. just the ego/riva and bloog maxx fusion.

Buy another set like I did and you will have a spare of everything. You can't beat the price and as soon as the news gets out they are going to be hard to get just like the Go-Go was and is.

 

[txtumbleweed]

oh and btw...i killed 1 carto today. dont vape tastyvapors liquids if you love your cartos. used it 3 days (roughly 15 ml of juice), disected it and it was completely clogged at the burner. the last 24 hrs i noticed lack of vapor and taste. i kept refilling (it acted like it was out of juice) but drips came out of the bottom after 10 top-off-drips. i kept vaping it throughout the day but wasnt very happy about the while experience....i thought maybe the battery is close to going dead so i switched and same thing...nothing changed. i dontknow what tastyvapor uses in their juices but it was a killer for my carto. did some research and found out that many others are complaining about the very same thing regarding TV liquids.

You know you can clean and dry burn the coil like they do with the Go-Go cartos. If you are ambitious. That is why I like my clear juices 80-20 PG and I hardly ever have to clean them.

 

[mohawkx]

At 5 bucks a pop they ought to be worth cleaning. Especially if you don't get 100 refills out of one.

 

[Major]

oh and btw...i killed 1 carto today. dont vape tastyvapors liquids if you love your cartos. used it 3 days (roughly 15 ml of juice), disected it and it was completely clogged at the burner. the last 24 hrs i noticed lack of vapor and taste. i kept refilling (it acted like it was out of juice) but drips came out of the bottom after 10 top-off-drips. i kept vaping it throughout the day but wasnt very happy about the while experience....i thought maybe the battery is close to going dead so i switched and same thing...nothing changed. i dontknow what tastyvapor uses in their juices but it was a killer for my carto. did some research and found out that many others are complaining about the very same thing regarding TV liquids.

Can you share what juice of theirs is causing the problem? I use their Atomic Cinnacide in an pg80/20vg and haven't had any issues. I do cut it 50/50 DK Tab so it's really more like pg90/10vg. I haven't had a problem yet but again, I do put cartos aside for cleaning after 4-5 days use so I may just not have noticed it yet.

Thanks!

 

[txtumbleweed]

At 5 bucks a pop they ought to be worth cleaning. Especially if you don't get 100 refills out of one.

Exactly I would be forced to get my ultrasonic cleaner out of the box and get out your pics on cleaning and restoring the Go-cartos. I've been using mine two weeks now and I'm having the same good results as I did with the Go-carts and I expect these to last as long or longer. Time will tell!

 

[OMG!]

Does your iGo say 420 ma output or 150 ma output? BillB threw that in so there might be some confusion. If your iGo is 1100 ma and the charger puts out 150 ma it is impossible to charge a dead battery in two hours. You could charge a 300 mah batt in two hours. What they are saying is the charger isn't labled correctly if it says 150 ma output and you are getting a full charge in 2 or 3 hours.

I'm not sure what you are asking so I'll just write what it says on the charger:

USB input 5v dc. 500mA
Output 4.2v DC. 150mA

Is that good or bad?

 

[OMG!]

I hope you all have better luck with your cartos that I've had. I'm a little worried about the people who are claiming that they think they are getting too much nic with these. I hope they are not getting the buzzed feeling from the toxic smelling vapor some of these produce.

I've learned to do a trick with mine to tell when it's a bad carto.... on the third puff blow it out your nostrils. If it burns your nostrils instead of feeling like a soft warm vapor something is wrong with that carto and you shouldn't keep going. I can see how people with dulled taste buds could mistake this for a nic buzz and possibly end up harming themselves.

It seems that if you use a very thin liquid (very little VG) on the first fill they work better.

 

[txtumbleweed]

I'm not sure what you are asking so I'll just write what it says on the charger:

USB input 5v dc. 500mA
Output 4.2v DC. 150mA

Is that good or bad?

It just means that it will take about 7 hrs to charge a 1100 iGo and about 8.5 to charge a 1300 Echo that were totally discharged. It really isn't a problem unless you have two dead ones and have to wait. I have two sets so it isn't a problem at all for me.