The Echo Thread

[Charlz]

Again, I go to the Janty site. Kuwako is avertised as 12.99. The moment I put it in my cart they raise the price, charge a lot for shipping and add tax. I'm paying over $21 for this thing. It's cool looking and all, but I just can't bring myself to do it. Or to redo it for that matter. They should have taken my money the first time. I'm off to buy a month's worth of good juice instead.

Sorry, I'll hop on the bandwagon sooner or later.

 

[Goldenkobold]

I was looking for an excuse to buy another battery so I guess I'll order a black 650 to use with it. I couldn't believe the prices janty charges, 29.00 for a 650 auto battery and 16.00 for basically the same carto as the Riva-T that Cropduster sells for 4.99. it amazes me that Janty has so many fans that will pay those prices. The pipe bowl was the only thing that was priced right.

Yep,
Its remarkable Janty is able to talk people into buying their equipment its so over priced compared to the competition. For the longest time they claimed there battery was better because it was regulated for the "perfect vape" then they come out with the Neo and lo and behold its an unregulated battery. The Neo cartomizer is basically a ce2 style with the ability to side fill....an 18 dollar cartomizer when you factor in the price of the not included mouthpiece. Definitely an expensive way to get your vape on with lack luster performance. But I do like the Kuwako

@Charlz
you must be getting taxed because your in the same state.

 

[Charlz]

I still don't get the advertised price suddenly changing in the cart. Even the list price goes up so the savings percentage stays the same. It's sneaky.

 

[txtumbleweed]

The fans are always quick to point out it is a genuine Janty or genuine Joye and everything else is inferior. lol I guess e-cig users are the same as the rest of our society that will pay high prices for a name whether it is better or not.

 

[txtumbleweed]

I still don't get the advertised price suddenly changing in the cart. Even the list price goes up so the savings percentage stays the same. It's sneaky.

That is strange, maybe they were reading this thread. lol I got it for the 12.99 last night.

 

[Charlz]

There was a lot of cheering and plain out buttkissing for Janty on their subforum. Every other post seemed to be an excuse to point out that everything sucked before the ego came along and if it wasn't for them we would all be vaping inferior low mah PVs.

 

[txtumbleweed]

I noticed that and if anyone said any different they were immediately cutoff. lol

 

[Charlz]

I'm certain now that they are raising the rate because I summed up a poor review on this site by calling it more overpriced mediocrity wrapped up in shiny whistles an bells and said there was no way it could compare to the echo. That thread has vanished somewhere.
Probably should have chosen a different username for their site. First time I didn't sign up, but I was afraid that may have been a reason the order didn't go through.

You should probably not talk to me anymore. You're all guilty by association.

 

[StartLifeEndLife]

You should probably not talk to me anymore. You're all guilty by association.

--well its a good thing I don't forsee ever needing anything else from Janty!

They now look to be out of stock! I know i payed like 26 or 27 for my two shipped. Meanwhile, I just picked up a 1300 battery and some extra chargers and some cartos.

Got one of the 300 mah chargers too, not really sure if im ever going to use it, but i just wanted to know that I could.

EDIT: back in stock

 

[Errol]

Link to Gogo Cartomizer http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/188388-how-clean-rebuild-gogo-cartomizer.html

Doing an experiment I stumbled on a very easy way of cleaning a 808/901 DC Echo carto. I used a blunt tipped punch with a very thin shaft just long enough to get between the packing and the wall to the threaded end inside the shell. Holding the carto firmly in my hand I tapped gently on the punch and to my surprise the guts popped right out after a few taps. Once the guts are in the open the cleaning is a breeze just like your instruction illustrate. Once cleaned and replaced on the air tube per your instructions it's a simple task to insert it into the shell, place the threaded end on a firm surface, place a small piece of wood squarely on the mouthpiece end of the tube making sure everything is aligned and vertical and gently tap it into place.

About the most difficult part was getting the punch shaft between the packing and the wall without snagging the packing. I only had the one carto to experiment with but when I clean my next one I'll find a smooth surfaced nail a little longer than the carto to punch the threaded end out of the shell. Probably be a good idea to punch it out from opposite sides a little at a time to get it out evenly though mine came out by punching on the one side it bent the center air tube a little due to it being wedged against the wall from punching it out from one side.

Wish I had more to experiment with but perhaps some folks here with retired 808/901 Echo carts will see if my ease of getting the guts out was a fluke or if it works for them as easily as it did for me.

FWIW, unlike my last effort at taking an Echo apart and cleaning it, this time the result were to bring the carto back to like new condition. Unlike my last attempt where one coil was weak these were both bright red during the dry burn and the end result was well worth the effort.

Had occasion to take another 808/901 DC Echo Carto apart for cleaning and a dry burn and about all I need to add to my previous comments is the idea of using a nail was a failure. Apparently I needed the weight of the 3/32 blunt tip punch for the ram effect to force the guts out while holding the shell in my hand.

The end result was the same, the Carto is performing pretty much like new. Put a new Echo into service a couple days back and am now vaping three out of the four I've put in service in the last five months. If I pick one up randomly without identifying it I can't tell if it's the newest or the oldest except for different flavor niquid.

Errol

 

[StartLifeEndLife]

So for about the last day and a half I wasn't loving my echo that much. The draw was getting progressively harder and flavors were not coming through right. So I cleaned all my connections and airflow holes, topped off my cartos, inhaled through the cartos off the battery to make sure they were not mucked up and nothing got any better. So then as I was about to put my cartos aside for cleaning and open a new one, I decided to try and clean the area down on the sides of the battery post. I used a small metal pin to scrape out anything that was there and there was was some gunk there (probably from not cleaning my connections enough early on). Popped on a carto and it was like i had a brand new Echo! So happy i figured it out.

But i dont feel like the pin is the best tool for this job, if you clean out this small circle crevasse (sp?) what do you use? I'm thinking a toothpick would be better but dont have any right now.

 

[Mookie]

Help!!! I am so disappointed with my new echo 650. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if it's just not for me. After all the fab reviews here I ordered a kit from cropduster and it arrived yesterday. I'm still pretty new at all of this and have only been using 808's.

I fully charged both batteries and syringe filled 2 cartos with 2.5 - 3ml of my two favorite juices. After the first few hits on the first carto I started getting a slightly burnt taste so I topped it off with more juice but the burnt taste is just getting worse and is now tastes horrible.

The second carto tasted ok but not fab. I decided to compare it to my 808. The flavor is so much better in my 808 - you wouldn't even know it was the same juice. The full flavor just doesn't come through in the echo. It just tastes bland in comparison.

So my question to all the veterans and echo lovers is: Do you think I'm doing something wrong or is it just personal taste???

 

[Charlz]

Should not taste burnt and the echo carts have been the only thing that compares to my kr808 carto. If it tastes burnt, don't vape it anymore. It may be too late for the first carto. If you keep vaping till its aweful, you have burned the filler around the coil an there is no going back and fixing it. It will always taste burnt. Learning experience. What's the vg ratio of your juice?

It's a long way down to that coil. Try setting the carto on something to catch the juice. Really fill it this time. It takes over 3ml of juice to fill the first time. It takes more than you think. 2-3mls is not enough. Drip the second one now. Slowly down the side. A few drops until you see it absorbed. Rotate a little an repeat. Keep going until it drips from the bottom. Set it onto something to catch the juice like another bottle an leave it for awhile. When you come back, blow through the tube gently until you hear it clear. Then leave it to sit while you enjoy your kr8 cartos.

If it's filled correctly, actually it may be a little rough at first, not light and muted. Takes a while to break them in.

Echo cartos take almost 3.4mls of juice first fill.

 

[Mookie]

I think you are right that the first carto wasn't filled enough and I ruined it. But the second one I did fill very slowly - about 10 minutes. The last bit I put in overfilled and a few drops came out the bottom. I cleaned it up and let it sit for about another 10 minutes. Should I let them sit longer? Would sitting longer make any difference?

This juice does not tell the pg/vg ratio so I don't know. It is Bloog Red and Bloog RY4. I have just ordered a bunch from different vendors at various ratios as I'm trying to figure out what I like. I got from 80/20 to 60/40 coming.

 

[Charlz]

You can try tooting on it carefully. Make sure the tube is cleared out. It has everything to do with flavor, besides being a straight shot down to your battery. No zapping your battery with juice. You must be an echo user for at least a week before you're allowed to kill one.

Yeah, these things just take awhile to get going and do better after they have sat for awhile. Also, you can make sure the filler is down far enough by tapping it with a straw, avoiding the center tube. The filler can move around, there is nothing keeping it in place. Tapping it on your palm-threads down works too.

20-40% should be ok with these. I do have issues first fill with 40% but some around here do use higher vg. Just not me.

 

[StartLifeEndLife]

When I filled my echo the first time all three cartos had a funky taste, especially the after taste, the next day they tasted great. I thought it was the juice but they really just needed to sit longer than 20 mins. So I do think waiting longer "could" help. I'm still new myself though. They do require some breaking in too as far as full flavor and smoothness goes.

 

[Mookie]

So far I've stuck to the rules and haven't killed any batteries! Killed many cartos though..hahahah.

Now that you mention it I think the filler in the first carto was kinda out of shape from the syringe.

Do you mean that you have issues with anything higher the 40% vg? I've been using higher pg because I wanted the stronger th - usually 80/20 or 70/30. I've also started to notice that I get stomach aches when I vape a lot so I may be one of the people who is sensitive to pg? It is pg that some people are sensitive to correct?

 

[Mookie]

When I filled my echo the first time all three cartos had a funky taste, especially the after taste, the next day they tasted great. I thought it was the juice but they really just needed to sit longer than 20 mins. So I do think waiting longer "could" help. I'm still new myself though. They do require some breaking in too as far as full flavor and smoothness goes.

I will let them sit over night tonight than and see if that helps. How long of a breaking in period have you noticed?

 

[Charlz]

High PG is just like sandpaper to me. Then I have issues that high vg is too heavy for my lungs. 30% seems to be best for me. And is ok for the carto too. Dark thick juice will always be bad for cartos. I get a week out of an echomizer at 30%. Sometimes just setting it aside for a couple of days will get me a couple of more days before rinsing. I think they just get wet from condensation and need to dry out sometimes. I have 2 main ones in rotation at all time, using one while I leave the other to dry out before I try filling it up again.

By the end of a couple weeks, the filler just reaches a point where it does not accept juice very well. Then it's rinse time.

 

[Mookie]

Yes, I am now realizing I need to cut back on the PG. Too bad because I just ordered several pretty high ones. I was still trying to replicate the th of an analog by using high pg and nic. Now that I've been vaping a couple of months I am ready to cut down on both of them. Oh well.......guess I have to go order more juice! I don't even want to guess how much I've spent so far!

Thanks so much for all your help! And now to be really annoying....can I ask a couple more ?'s:

How do you rinse the carto? What cartos do you prefer? There are so many choices and it is overwhelming to figure out.