The Echo Thread

[lulu836]

This can't be right, it took my 1.5 days to pound one of these into the ground on DCC and 2.0 IKV vision only 6-7 mls of juice = 1 day

something isn't right dude

Have to agree with this but also have to say that the stealths misfire more often than I like. Didn't know they were unregulated.

 

[Charlz]

ok.....this is weird. My 1100 mah stealth is charged already in less than 4 hours on a 150mah charger. That math ain't right. I'm starting to see a trend. It thinks it's a 380mah battery.

 

[Charlz]

Have to agree with this but also have to say that the stealths misfire more often than I like. Didn't know they were unregulated.

It's painfully clear now that I have a freak battery. Disregard everything. LOL. Time for a swap.

 

[StartLifeEndLife]

Had a similar theory on the bottom up rebuild but wasn't even close to trying it, now I will soon!

 

[Charlz]

In my search for wicks, I saw a site that sold ceramic fiber braided tubes. I didn't even think twice then. Now I can't find it.

 

[StartLifeEndLife]

In my search for wicks, I saw a site that sold ceramic fiber braided tubes. I didn't even think twice then. Now I can't find it.

Oh man! We could really do something with those!

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Darn it! I just told Victoria I was keeping it too! Today was the first day I let it die all the way. Shouldn't matter but I'll try again tomorrow. You have the 1300? 200 mah shouldn't matter that much, though. I've always gotten a full day out of 1100mah.

1100 mAh actually

mine charges in about 3.5 hours, but the USB is 300mAh output, which kind of makes sense, especially if you account for the fact that a dead batt that flashes but still fires isn't starting at 0 exactly

I dunno man

I'd like to blame my draw technique (maybe I take weenie draws or vape lightly), but from the quantity of juice, and the fact that I've many a time depleted a 380 mAh batt in 1.5 hour, I don't think that's the case here

 

[StartLifeEndLife]

1100 mAh actually

mine charges in about 3.5 hours, but the USB is 300mAh output, which kind of makes sense, especially if you account for the fact that a dead batt that flashes but still fires isn't starting at 0 exactly

I dunno man

I'd like to blame my draw technique (maybe I take weenie draws or vape lightly), but from the quantity of juice, and the fact that I've many a time depleted a 380 mAh batt in 1.5 hour, I don't think that's the case here

I get about 6 hours on my 1300 if im vaping heavy. Which i usually am unless im in class or working. Always kind of thought that was shortish. But I have a 300mah charger and I cant notice a faster charge time. One of theses days I will have to drain down both of my 650s and do a head to head charge off.

 

[Charlz]

I think Victoria's on vacation next week so it may be awhile. I will have some thinking to do. Do I swap it for another stealth, a chrome with a red led or possibly try out the auto ego? Hmmmmmmm.

 

[lulu836]

It's painfully clear now that I have a freak battery. Disregard everything. LOL. Time for a swap.

I think I must drop back 5 yards and punt on my comment about the stealth. Ejuice taste, battery longevity and hit dependability are not as good as I thought. I have noticed this because I have been testing some new juices this morning and one in particular was tasting like wilted lettuce leaves on the stealth. I switched the iTurbo over to the sealed Echo and there is a world of difference for the better on that battery in all cases.

 

[Charlz]

All this is good. I do notice the hit in the stealth seams like it's warmer, but the vapor is less. That could also affect flavor. I really want to like it. I ove the feel of it. I've got some thinking to do. I told Victoria I wasn't in a rush and for her to enjoy her vacation if she doesn't get the chance to check it out before hand.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

I think I must drop back 5 yards and punt on my comment about the stealth. Ejuice taste, battery longevity and hit dependability are not as good as I thought. I have noticed this because I have been testing some new juices this morning and one in particular was tasting like wilted lettuce leaves on the stealth. I switched the iTurbo over to the sealed Echo and there is a world of difference for the better on that battery in all cases.

do you have other Echos you're comparing to?

how did things change on the Iturbo?

 

[Cyrus Vap]

I think Victoria's on vacation next week so it may be awhile. I will have some thinking to do. Do I swap it for another stealth, a chrome with a red led or possibly try out the auto ego? Hmmmmmmm.

I vote you try one of Tony's new sealed stealths and see if its all of em, or just victorias vendor

TBH though I'm having no problems except for that one day it was possessed

The vapor and taste difference against a V4L fresh of the charger is there, but not a deal breaker for me as I once thought it would be. Feels in between a gen 2 and a V4L diamond.

 

[Charlz]

I vote you try one of Tony's new sealed stealths and see if its all of em, or just victorias vendor

Doubt it. The stealths have always been a lesser version of the regulars. I just happened to get a goofy one on top of that. I gotta say, if it lasted as long as my other batteries, I'd keep it. I have hardware that performs well on it, I can get a longer drag on my dying cartos that don't fire as quick, and I like the finish.

Have you figured out how to get a reading from your multimeter. It's tough, but not impossible. The solid center post is what makes it hard. It's difficult to keep it from sliding off the post while blowing in the other end. Need a reading fresh off the charger.

 

[Errol]

Have you figured out how to get a reading from your multimeter. It's tough, but not impossible. The solid center post is what makes it hard. It's difficult to keep it from sliding off the post while blowing in the other end. Need a reading fresh off the charger.

Charlz, for all your genius I'm surprised you haven't built an adapter yet. All you need is an old carto with the guts removed and solder a wire an inch or so longer than the carto to the center post.

Errol

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Doubt it. The stealths have always been a lesser version of the regulars. I just happened to get a goofy one on top of that. I gotta say, if it lasted as long as my other batteries, I'd keep it. I have hardware that performs well on it, I can get a longer drag on my dying cartos that don't fire as quick, and I like the finish.

Have you figured out how to get a reading from your multimeter. It's tough, but not impossible. The solid center post is what makes it hard. It's difficult to keep it from sliding off the post while blowing in the other end. Need a reading fresh off the charger.

what's lesser about the older version(s)?

I'm worried about getting crap in that pinhole, so I'm not going to even mess with this anymore lol

 

[Charlz]

Charlz, for all your genius I'm surprised you haven't built an adapter yet. All you need is an old carto with the guts removed and solder a wire an inch or so longer than the carto to the center post.

Errol

Grrrr........ Well thanks for the kick in the chops. Based on what you said, I just attached an echo base without the shell. One lead in the hole, one on the outside. No solder.

what's lesser about the older version(s)?

I'm worried about getting crap in that pinhole, so I'm not going to even mess with this anymore lol

Well, not lessor, just different issues that aren't present with the standard echos. With the standard echos, you either liked them or not and there were very few issues. If we had known about the pinhole thing then, perhaps there would have been less issues when they first arrived but they were dropping like flies. It's the thing. They are made then they are resold with no manuals. It is up to us the users to figure out the tricks and be the beta testers. Seems like a very simple thing to say. "Don't let anything get in the pinhole." The best we got was a vendor letting us know that the manufacturer admitted that the stealths have a high failure rate. I think there's two people left who got then from Bill and still have and use them.
I'm a step closer to just swapping it out for a new one. No battery should act this way so it's GOT to be just a random issue. I can deal with it dying, at least then I'd know.

 

[lulu836]

do you have other Echos you're comparing to?

how did things change on the Iturbo?

Yes I do have other Echos. 3 650s and 4 1300's. 1300s.....2 of them chrome......1 black sealed.....1 black stealth.

Black sealed......great vapor, great taste. fires on demand, lasts for about 8 to 10 hours depending on what I'm doing

Black stealth in comparison with the same iTurbo.......vapor reminiscent of an 808 stick battery on its last legs, vapor tastes bland whereas on the sealed Echo that same iTurbo has great taste and vapor volume. Lastly, even on a perfectly clear 70/30 ejuice the iTurbo AND the battery heat up to the point of being uncomfortable to touch. The air tube is clear of juice and the battery post has no gunk on or around it. Also it has about a 3 second cutoff.

 

[StartLifeEndLife]

took half the carto, but I was getting a little of that tell tale taste. So I was using the punch method to loosen and somehow the entire center post popped out the bottom, coil and all. So I managed to get it all back in the same way. This is good news for the rebuild. You can clean the coil and shove it back in from underneath. You need a tiny screwdriver to see all the wick goes it. Then you need to center the post as much as possible but when I screwed it on the battery, it popped back in place.
So we can do this now, without messing up the center air tube.

I'm thinking we can pop the whole thing out, put it in another base that we've taken the tube off and dry burn and put it back. So easy. Yes Cyrus, I know you want a video. I don't have the right equipment. I'll say it's tough a little making sure the base gets in without scrunching the silicon. But when it was centered right. It worked! I'm very happy, I've messed up a lot of air tubes so far. Now I won't.

Never did see if it was off center but there was a nice burn hole through the inner filler. I reversed it. It's golden now.

Still can't fix DCCs or stupid but it's a step forward for the single coils.

So in this approach, you dissemble the carto to the point of just having the center tube with wick and coil in it on the base, then remove the coil and center post and silicone through the bottom, then clean/dry burn coil on a separate base as to not damage the original center tube. then you would re-insert the coil up through the bottom of the original base into the center tube, center, and place wick in proper place and then just reassemble like normal. Right? (or are you saying to take out the coil and put it back in without popping out the inner filler and all? That seems trickier/impossible but would be ideal i think.)

When you speak about the the base getting in while not scrunching the silicon, do you mean the metal center post or...??

Seems solid, as long as you don't damage the coil on the way back in.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Yes I do have other Echos. 3 650s and 4 1300's. 1300s.....2 of them chrome......1 black sealed.....1 black stealth.

Black sealed......great vapor, great taste. fires on demand, lasts for about 8 to 10 hours depending on what I'm doing

Black stealth in comparison with the same iTurbo.......vapor reminiscent of an 808 stick battery on its last legs, vapor tastes bland whereas on the sealed Echo that same iTurbo has great taste and vapor volume. Lastly, even on a perfectly clear 70/30 ejuice the iTurbo AND the battery heat up to the point of being uncomfortable to touch. The air tube is clear of juice and the battery post has no gunk on or around it. Also it has about a 3 second cutoff.

I think something is clearly wrong with that batt my friend. is that from Victoria?

3 seconds? no way. its wrecked.