The future of the Ultracig

[kinabaloo]

I didn't say it was inflammatory; more silly.

There is room for improvement of course. Any company that wants to get a big slice of the action without royalties will need to come up with a significant, patentable advance.

And if I knew what that will be, I'd have done it already

Or, more likely, blurted it out in the forums 8-o

 

[Lazarus]

I guess "amatuers" should not be allowed to make so much western $$$.

The amatuer citation is the phrase that is un-whitted. Not inflammatory, but derogatory at best measure. I believe his vision is stunted by this lack of appreciation for what is given.

 

[kinabaloo]

I guess "amatuers" should not be allowed to make so much western $$$.

The amatuer citation is the phrase that is un-whitted. Not inflammatory, but derogatory at best measure. I believe his vision is stunted by this lack of appreciation for what is given.

I don't blame Thomas Edison for not creating the i-pod.

If it wasn't for these 'amateur' e-cigs we'd still be setting fire to dried leaves in some rolled up paper.

 

[Nuck]

I didn't say it was inflammatory; more silly.

There is room for improvement of course. Any company that wants to get a big slice of the action without royalties will need to come up with a significant, patentable advance.

And if I knew what that will be, I'd have done it already

Or, more likely, blurted it out in the forums 8-o

Off the top of my head, given proper labs and the ridiculous funding that the larger corporations have they could:

• Analyze and ensure the ideal temperature curve for nicotine absorption with a known lab controlled liquid.
• Use sealed carts that are pierced upon first use and will not give up the liquid internally if swallowed.
• Monitor and ensure the atomizer coil is kept at the proper moisture level automatically
• Program in an effective NRT that would automatically and gradually reduce nicotine entirely without relying on the user to select the proper carts. Once the nicotine addiction is removed an ecig could time vape sessions and slowly diminish them to rid the user of the hand to mouth fixation.
• Detect when an atomizer has reached it's effective end of life and signal the user to change it.
• Increase reliability to the level we expect of every other product we use.
• Add ergonomics and effectively market them.
• Improve the safety profile.
• Properly deal with and lobby governments to promote the products in a positive light

Given a few days I could come up with a list of dozens of improvements and that's without research teams, marketing teams and focus groups. The current models we use will soon be seen as "stone knives and bearskins"

 

[Lazarus]

Agreed.

I love the Spock quote Nuck.

 

[kinabaloo]

I've written on temp control, sealed juice, nic release efficiency and juice flow many times.

The only major drawback is the nicotine getting lost somewhere; and this might not be at all easy to improve on.

So the big step is already done. Will be some useful small additional steps, but no way will the current e-cig ever be seen as a flint tool (even if someone builds in some Facebook APIs and adds some i-pod-type styling!

Those NRT functions are perhaps an over-complication, and certainly not wanted by everyone.

 

[Nuck]

I've written on temp control, sealed juice, nic release efficiency and juice flow many times.

The only major drawback is the nicotine getting lost somewhere; and this might not be at all easy to improve on.

So the big step is already done. Will be some useful small additional steps, but no way will the current e-cig ever be seen as a flint tool (even if someone builds in some Facebook APIs and adds some i-pod-type styling!

Those NRT functions are perhaps an over-complication, and certainly not wanted by everyone.

The difference will be that the corporations that do it will implement, test and refine the concepts. Saying it would be good to have a teleporter is not remotely the same as building and marketing one.

I'm sure there were people that used 8 tracks who thought it was the leading edge. Calling it "stone knives" would be a compliment.

 

[xogul]

searching for videos about e-cigarette on youtube I found this Smokeless Cigarette - BLUESKY - (can't post links). aside the smokeless part and that I can't understand German, this could be a good evolution, judging only by the pictures.

I can't understand if the heating of the air is made by an atomizer, for me the real problem of the e-cigarette.

 

[Bubo]

I don't blame Thomas Edison for not creating the i-pod.

I understand what you are saying - but can I blame Edison for not inventing the iPod? (Can you imagine where we'd be now if he had?)

 

[googled]

searching for videos about e-cigarette on youtube I found this Smokeless Cigarette - BLUESKY - (can't post links). aside the smokeless part and that I can't understand German, this could be a good evolution, judging only by the pictures.

I can't understand if the heating of the air is made by an atomizer, for me the real problem of the e-cigarette.

YouTube - BLUESKYGERMANY's Channel

 

[Dave Rickey]

The fact is that he is right: The eCig products we are familiar with are made for the Chinese market, and are made in the cheapest way possible (although with a high production quality and QA that ranges from decent to abysmal). Consumer safety is definitely an afterthought, and there are considerably better ways to make most of the pieces.

The first and foremost shortcoming is the batteries, which are unsafe and short-lived (in both senses of the term), which is why the first and most popular mods are battery mods. But the heating elements (made from a mixture of two toxic metals {nickel and chromium} and operating in a temperature regime that potentially melts or even boils them) are crap, and then they're wrapped in mesh made from more of one of those metals (either nickel, or stainless steel which is part chromium and nickel).

The cartridges are a joke, they are filled with the cheapest possible material that can do the job at *all*, and it does it poorly while melting and giving off toxic fumes and carcinogens. A "full" cartridge contains less than 1/3 of its volume in liquid, and is "dry" while still containing more than half of it.

This is setting aside the question of nicotine solution that somehow manages to be a dark brown when nicotine and PG are both clear and colorless, or if they're using lead-based solder. The fact is that these products were made in a regulatory regime so relaxed that lethal baby formula was made and distributed to consumers, and it took ex post facto regulation to hold the manufacturer responsible.

For crying out loud, it's a completely unregulated consumer product made in China, for Chinese consumers, and we're importing it gray market. What could go wrong?

What could we do better? Ceramic heating elements rather than NiChrome. Titanium mesh instead of nickel or stainless steel, fiberglass or titanium fibers instead of polyester. Lead free solder, at least for the parts that the user is actually breathing air drawn directly past. Sure, it would be more expensive, but we're already paying dollars for what the Chinese produce for pennies, and having to replace them often because they're cheap crap. There's headroom for better materials.

--Dave