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ShariR

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I would have tried the sewing section. I'm thinking upholstery needles and micro crochet hooks.


Ooohh. The micro crochet hook sounds promising. And the model building dept at Hobby Lobby. Upholstery needles will work for hand held coiling but I do not think they would be long enough for the Gizmo. I would probably stab myself with a needle though.

A mat or tray that jewelry beaders use to keep their beads from running away on them would be nice too. I currently use a shallow sided baking sheet to do close work on so stuff does not roll away on me. Good for spills too.

I walked through the electrical dept at Home Depot and nothing suitable there. Did not think to pick up wire cutters.
 
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Are you going to bend the rod to make it like the one that comes with the Gizmo? Stainless steel Tig wire would work. It's hard enough to stay rigid. I have a different kind of winder similar to the Professional Coiling Gizmo so I use transfer punches. But they aren't meant to be bent. How long is the rod? If you only need 12" or less, glass flameworkers use them and you might be able to get a variety pack with different thickness.

WOW, u know about Stainless steel Tig wire, I'm impressed. I've used a 1/16th 7018 welding rod stripped the coating and sanded with 400 grit paper to fashion a pretty easy wire coiler, I should take a pic and post it when I get home.

Tig wire could be very interesting depending on the diam. I had to do some tigging earlier, part of my job. Good to own a pair of side cutters.
 

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Ocelot, I found the chart. This will show what a microcoil is. Or go to the thread I posted at around the #10368 post, page 260. They talk/argue about the definition there (and I am sure in many other places too).

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...por-flavor-th-microcoils-resistance-chart.pdf

Ahhh.. So I make a mini coil. (5/64ths) Good to know!

I have just started reading the microcoil thread and see that I have way lots to learn. A friend sent me an Igo-L and she built me a nice 2.2ohm coil. So far I have been rewicking it with cotton from a cotton ball and I am still trying to get the amount of cotton just right. I am either putting too much or too little in. I am getting closer. I hear that once you figure out the right amount to use it becomes second nature.

What's the diameter of the coil you are using? I use peaches and cream yarn from wal-mart all the time. Takes the guesswork out of the cotton sizing.
 

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Seen a lot of talk about microcoils this morning. Hopefully I may be of some assistance.

It's not the number of wraps that determines the resistance but the length and gauge of the resistance wire.

The bigger the gauge of the wire the less resistance it has over the same distance. 1 inch of 28g has less resistance than 1 inch of 32g.

Microcoil is simply wrapping that same length you would normally use for 4 to 6 wraps tightly around a smaller diameter shaft to get 9 or 10 wraps.

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The nail on the right is a 1/16th finishing nail that I use for micros. This picture is actually a nano I wrapped on the needle on the left. Note that the wire isn't touching completely in all the wraps. That is because it's nearly impossible to do with 32g wire. I got it tight enough to drop the resistance a bit but not as much as it would with 28g getting them all snugged up.

A nano is simply a microcoil with an inner diameter of less than 1/16 or 1mm or something along those lines. It's pretty much "yay we did the exact same thing but smaller so we can call it sometime different!".

Even if they're not all touching you'll know that you did it right when you pulse the coil and it starts glowing from the inside of the coil and goes outward (like when Kit talks).

The micro will give you more heat quicker because the coils are heating one another due to their proximity to each other.

If possible try doing it with 28g or 30g. It's a little tougher to do the coil but easier to make it touch. Remember to torch it before you wrap to make it more pliable.

Hope that helps.
 

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This is like the home-mades, and reasonably priced.
Same seller occasionally posts a different batch on ebay.
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I am trying to talk my better half into finding me some rods in different sizes so I can use them on the Gizmo. I tried wrapping coils using drill bits, small screwdrivers and some other thing a guy had at a vape meet. They all were a dismal failure for me. I have enough arthritis and lack of coordination in my hands that the free hand stuff is too hard for me. Hoping this Gizmo will be the answer.

I am wondering where I could find different size rods to adapt to the Gizmo. Any ideas? I am going to be a coil winding machine by May if it kills me.

Have you seen the little jig DarkZero made? Here is a link. It is a more hands on manual way to do it but a lot of people like it. Pic of jig is post #5.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/coil-builds/471359-size-coils.html

Here is another thread of a jig another ECF member built. A few variations from other members too.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/494533-homemade-coil-wrapping-tool.html

If you come up with something simple, easy and inexpensive I bet you could sell them. Everybody is building coils these days. Heck I am an old lady and I am going to build coils. Just need to get the hands to work and the eyes to see. lol

And I know - this doesn't turn the wraps for you, just holds things in place...
But it's cheap if that's all you wanted and didn't want to build it.
 
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Yes, making different size rods to use in the Gizmo, like the drill bit diameter sizes. The Gizmo rods, all but the one, are too large for coils. I may be barking up the wrong tree but it should be doable. I don't think I need to bend them, I could just somehow clamp the piece of wire onto it. It is so I have an easy way to turn the rod to make the coil.

I have no idea what transfer punches are and where I would get them. All I have around me is Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes, Hobby Lobby and Michaels. Which one of them might I find transfer rods at. I really have to go out and look around at these places.

Personally I can easily live with just two sizes of forms to build my micro coils since I got away from using silica wick... 1/16"/1.5mm and 5/64"/2mm and more than good enough for the cotton builds. I have up to 3mm silica from my hand wrap days, but I don't use any of the silca wicking anymore. The fly in the tea cup... it's high time that I get some XC-116 and XC-132 and start playing with them in all my rebuildables, give the cotton and mesh a rest.
 

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Transfer punches come in sets. They come in different sizes. I have one that has all starts with 1mm. They sell them all over the place online, not sure if they have the smaller sizes at the hardware store. It's kind of overkill to get a whole set though if all you plan to do is tiny coils.
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Yes, making different size rods to use in the Gizmo, like the drill bit diameter sizes. The Gizmo rods, all but the one, are too large for coils. I may be barking up the wrong tree but it should be doable. I don't think I need to bend them, I could just somehow clamp the piece of wire onto it. It is so I have an easy way to turn the rod to make the coil.

I have no idea what transfer punches are and where I would get them. All I have around me is Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes, Hobby Lobby and Michaels. Which one of them might I find transfer rods at. I really have to go out and look around at these places.

I use Tig wire to make glass beads. I don't usually cut it myself. Too much trouble to cut and round the ends on thicker Tig wire.

WOW, u know about Stainless steel Tig wire, I'm impressed. I've used a 1/16th 7018 welding rod stripped the coating and sanded with 400 grit paper to fashion a pretty easy wire coiler, I should take a pic and post it when I get home.

Tig wire could be very interesting depending on the diam. I had to do some tigging earlier, part of my job. Good to own a pair of side cutters.
 

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They come even smaller...

Amazon.com : Round Brass Rod, .5 mm Diameter (5) : Hobby Rc Helicopters : Toys & Games

FEATURES: May be bent to desired shape and cut to desired length

Being an amateur miniaturist (1/12 scale dollhouse furniture) some of these items I have used or have. This particular rod is very pliable and bends easily. I used this to upgrade my AGI's from the internal faulty spring to a brass rod so I wouldn't have to worry about variations in my builds.

I have been lucky in mini/nano coil building since I have been able to use items on hand. My biggest problem was seeing what I was doing since the eyes aren't as good as they use to be, the helping hands magnifying glass is my friend :p

But I find I am horrible at relating my experiences to others, I find what works for me and if someone asks me how I did it...I can't tell them - I just picked up this particular item wrapped my coil around it, tested it and voila it worked...I really need to take more notes :blink:
 

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I hope everyone knows I was joking! I don't know anything about the Microstick except that it's a cute little mechanical. The Reo is a cute little mechanical too, but it's a bottom-feeder.

My remarks were based on another device that has outdated technology and is a status thing.

ETA: Like the one you are using!!! Geesh you guys!
NYAAH!!! I got it right away, hence my puff counter comment. :p


I's wicked smaht.
 

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Transfer punches come in sets. They come in different sizes. I have one that has all starts with 1mm. They sell them all over the place online, not sure if they have the smaller sizes at the hardware store. It's kind of overkill to get a whole set though if all you plan to do is tiny coils.
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I use Tig wire to make glass beads. I don't usually cut it myself. Too much trouble to cut and round the ends on thicker Tig wire.

If u show me a pair of snap ring pliers, or an Awl I will fall deeply in love, lol.

PS. That's a nice set u have there....... The punches of course.
 

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Was at a vape meet today with a new vaper (old friend of my husband's) who had a serious case of mod envy. I had my silver ProVari accented with brass and my Nemesis (clone) which has been heat treated and is a kind of brass/purple color. New vaper has an Ego Twist and a Protank2 with an Aerobase. Did a lot of confirming that what he had was perfectly fine, we all started there, etc, etc.
 

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That does help a lot. I have a decent idea of what I have to do. I get confused with the 'do I use 28ga or 30ga Kanthal to get a 2ish ohm coil and how many wraps do I need' and what size drill bit, nail, rod, (insert other object) do I use to wrap it on. I need to start doing and stop thinking.

Seen a lot of talk about microcoils this morning. Hopefully I may be of some assistance.

It's not the number of wraps that determines the resistance but the length and gauge of the resistance wire.

The bigger the gauge of the wire the less resistance it has over the same distance. 1 inch of 28g has less resistance than 1 inch of 32g.

Microcoil is simply wrapping that same length you would normally use for 4 to 6 wraps tightly around a smaller diameter shaft to get 9 or 10 wraps.

yzysasy9.jpg


The nail on the right is a 1/16th finishing nail that I use for micros. This picture is actually a nano I wrapped on the needle on the left. Note that the wire isn't touching completely in all the wraps. That is because it's nearly impossible to do with 32g wire. I got it tight enough to drop the resistance a bit but not as much as it would with 28g getting them all snugged up.

A nano is simply a microcoil with an inner diameter of less than 1/16 or 1mm or something along those lines. It's pretty much "yay we did the exact same thing but smaller so we can call it sometime different!".

Even if they're not all touching you'll know that you did it right when you pulse the coil and it starts glowing from the inside of the coil and goes outward (like when Kit talks).

The micro will give you more heat quicker because the coils are heating one another due to their proximity to each other.

If possible try doing it with 28g or 30g. It's a little tougher to do the coil but easier to make it touch. Remember to torch it before you wrap to make it more pliable.

Hope that helps.
 
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