The health risk/benefits of e-cigs by Yaniv riz/MD

[Petrodus]

For me, nicotine from ecigs is far less 'addictive' than coffee (or caffeine from coffee, if you prefer).

I can easily not vape for 6 hours - there is no real 'pull' to use the ecig even after 12 hours.

When my power went down for a day a couple of weeks back, not being able to brew a coffee resulted in real withdrawal symptoms that I would describe as at least ten times stronger than the ecig equivalent. Try it one day and perhaps you'll see what I mean: no tea and coffee is much more painful for someone who has been vaping several years and has long been over cigarettes.

I was reduced to heating water in a cup on a trivet lashed-up from coathangers over a large candle. It wasn't very good, and when the power came back on, the relief was incomparable.

So if you asked me to give up vaping or coffee/tea for a day, the vaping would be far easier to drop.

Same for me ...
However, I have been vaping now for a 3 years and well over the initial
transitional thing. To tell ya the truth, I vape a lot only because its there,
however, I really don't inhale that often and only inhale deeply if experiencing
outside stress.

Had some dental work last month and couldn't vape for a couple of days ...
No real big deal. However, I had my coffee !!

If forced to make a choice between coffee and e-cigs to give up ...
Bye bye e-cigs.

 

[Koman]

Same here actually!

 

[rolygate]

I agree about the coffee. I bought an emergency coffee maker for use when the electric goes out. It's a Melitta, and all it is is a big cup with a filter holder that sits on top. Put the filter holder on, insert filter and amount of coffee you need. Have boiling water ready and slowly pour through the coffee grounds. It is good, but might need to experiment with the amount of coffee to use.

Sure - but for me, the problem was creating the boiling water: no way to do it. Need to get my emergency backup camping gas stove out of storage I guess...

 

[bruiser]

Geeze, I fogot not everyone has a gas stove they can use when the power goes off.

 

[awsum140]

The generator keeps my coffee pot going, e-cig batteries charged, well pump pumping, hot water tank heating and air condiitioning/heating systems going. Gotta be comfortable while I have that coffee and vape, LOL. Other than having to switch over, no effort at all.

I've only been vaping for about a month and have noticed my sinuses are clearer than before. The mucous thing is bothersome, but knowing it's a result of my lungs starting to clear out makes it easy to tolerate. There are risks inherent with life and risks we chose to take on our own. Vaping may be a risk, but given the evidence to date, it is far less risky than tobacco and, given new empirical evidence to the contrary, one I am willing to take.

 

[Paulette]

In order to contribute to this great forum, I have decided to make a quick health review of e-cigs.

the flavoring additives might be dangerous, especially menthol, that has been know to almost double the risk of cancer in cigarettes.
this doesn't mean that vaping it would cause cancer, because a burning process is much different, and chemically altering than just vaping it, but still I personally would avoid it, and wouldn't conduct this experiment on my body.


so enjoy your vape, and do it responsibly.

I so enjoyed your post and expressed it previously in this thread. I AM NOT A DOCTOR, but wanted to add the following information about menthol and you stating that it was found to be almost double the risk for cancer when smoking.

Here is an article written March of last year that said: "In a large study looking at over 85,000 people, smokers of menthol cigarettes - contrary to popular opinion - actually had a lower rate of developing and dying from lung cancer than non-menthol cigarette smokers. In this study, pack-a-day smokers who smoked menthol cigarettes were 12 times more likely to get lung cancer than non-smokers, as opposed to the non-menthol group who were 21 times more likely than non-smokers to develop the disease." If you want to read the full article and "why" they previously believed menthol was worse, it is here:

http://lungcancer.about.com/b/2011/03/25/menthol-cigarettes-and-lung-cancer-risk.htm

Also just found this article too, but haven't read it: http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/2012/03/fda-study-menthol-smokers-have-lower.html

I was glad to read this as I love my menthol!

 

[jj2]

Same for me ...
However, I have been vaping now for a 3 years and well over the initial
transitional thing. To tell ya the truth, I vape a lot only because its there,
however, I really don't inhale that often and only inhale deeply if experiencing
outside stress.

Had some dental work last month and couldn't vape for a couple of days ...
No real big deal. However, I had my coffee !!

If forced to make a choice between coffee and e-cigs to give up ...
Bye bye e-cigs.

I vape mostly when I'm at the computer and that is probably because I got one sitting there at all times.
Anywhere else I have to go fetch it and most of the time I'm too lazy to go fetch it.

 

[genelman]

thanks! Iv submitted a request.

Yanivriz,

Thank you for the information, I have a question please,you said that Nicotine has a significant power to lower the chances of skin cancer but can help already cancerous cells to multiply and also you said that it is prone in immuno suppressed subjects. I am confused because I already have skin cancer and I am using immuno therapy, what should I do? I am at 18 mg nic level.

 

[niczgreat]

My brother and I have been vapeing for 9 weeks. We completely quit analogs day 1. Yesterday my brother lost his voice and has a terrible sore throat and we are wondering if it could be vape related. Anyone experience this? Also we both suddenly have acne. We are thirty somethings and I never had acne like this even as a teen. Is this normal? Will it go away? Any thoughts are appreciated!

You are probably suffering from a allergy to PG and/or to the artificial flavors that they use to flavor the juice.
To make a long story short, I now vape Organic Flavorings only that are 100% PG free. All bad symptoms went away.
Including Tongue irritation and sore throat, and sore tooth (reaction to fillings).

Don't go halfway. Go Organic for the flavorings and either Wizard Labs or RTS for the base (if you DIY). Or buy from vaperite.com of virginvapes if you want to spend lots of bucks and buy already formulated organic juice.

 

[salemgold]

For me, nicotine from ecigs is far less 'addictive' than coffee (or caffeine from coffee, if you prefer).

I can easily not vape for 6 hours - there is no real 'pull' to use the ecig even after 12 hours.

When my power went down for a day a couple of weeks back, not being able to brew a coffee resulted in real withdrawal symptoms that I would describe as at least ten times stronger than the ecig equivalent. Try it one day and perhaps you'll see what I mean: no tea and coffee is much more painful for someone who has been vaping several years and has long been over cigarettes.

I was reduced to heating water in a cup on a trivet lashed-up from coathangers over a large candle. It wasn't very good, and when the power came back on, the relief was incomparable.

So if you asked me to give up vaping or coffee/tea for a day, the vaping would be far easier to drop.

LOL, that's hard core there

 

[mwa102464]

@ yanivriz,

May I recommend that you maybe team up and speak to the Greek Dr that is also working on e-cig studies, you can contact Dimitri from the Vape team over at vapors place, he is in touch with this Dr from Greece ( I forget this Dr's name ). I think it would be great if you could work together with him to possibly help this cause and it may be beneficial 2 Dr's working together, at least speak to him to see if there is anyway you can help.


Thanks,

MWA

 

[mwa102464]

Dont get me wrong I love my Caffeine/Coffee/Tea, but when I quit smoking my intake went down a bit, now 3yrs later I'm down to 2-3 cups a day, where I use to drink 7-8 easy, but yes the Caffeine would be awful tough not to have 1st thing in the AM, my body craves it when I wake up like nothing else I ever have craved, and if I dont get it I'm ...... off until I do

 

[rolygate]

LOL, that's hard core there

You don't understand the meaning of desperation until you are faced with a day without coffee or tea, in a remote location where there's nothing you can do about it - except improvise.

 

[rolygate]

Yanivriz,

Thank you for the information, I have a question please,you said that Nicotine has a significant power to lower the chances of skin cancer but can help already cancerous cells to multiply and also you said that it is prone in immuno suppressed subjects. I am confused because I already have skin cancer and I am using immuno therapy, what should I do? I am at 18 mg nic level.

You need to consult your specialist and/or get a second opinion.


Nicotine and cancer
As regards nicotine causing cancer, or causing it to increase - the vast mountain of data we have on long-term nicotine consumption shows nothing of the sort; and additionally, the facts show nothing of the sort either.

To explain: in Sweden, smokers who switched to Snus have been extensively studied for almost 30 years, and there are more than 150 clinical studies of such ex-smokers, including large-scale groups of tens of thousands of subjects. Analysis of these many studies - and especially the giant-scale meta-analyses of such studies by Lee and Hamlin - show that the difference in risk for smokers who switch to Snus and those who totally quit is insignificant. The health outcomes for both groups are statistically the same. Snus does not elevate risk for any disease, including any cancer.

So in detailed analyses of studies of tens of thousands of people who consume nicotine ad lib for decades, no elevation of risk is shown.

In addition, by simply looking at the facts, we also see the same thing: Sweden has the lowest smoking-related death rate in the developed world, by a wide margin. Sweden has a smoking-related death rate about half the EU average. Sweden has the lowest male lung cancer rate and oral cancer rate in the EU. No increase of any cancers is seen in Sweden; only a dramatic reduction.

None of this would be the case if nicotine elevated any risk for anything. Instead, we know as a proven fact that long-term ad lib consumption of nicotine has very low risk.

If a new clinical trial attempts to show otherwise, then perhaps it should first be compared with the facts.


The individual
However, the individual must always take account of their own particular circumstances. Just because something is safe for the majority does not mean it is safe for any given individual. Some persons should avoid excess nicotine consumption, and they include the pregnant and those with some types of heart condition. A specialist should be consulted if there is any doubt.