The iHybrid APV - A fully Customizable Genesis

[evilferret]

http://www.elblinger-elektronik.de/pdf/panasonic_ion.pdf

Page 6 under structure and safety. They have obtained UL1642 approval. Also, several videos on youtube.

AW IMR's are a fine battery but Andy Wong doesn't make his own cells and sources them from different places.

Panasonics are made in Japan, not China, by Panasonic and are their own proprietary technology. They are a fine cell with an extensive track record for performance and reliability.

Ty Ty, love having more reading material.

Err, does that mean the CH models are included under the 18650? I don't see mention of the CH model and the charts look different than the ones I remember seeing before.

I'm pretty sure the CH model has no PTC.

 

[weinner]

Indeed, love learning all I can.

 

[Ezkill]

Ezkill are you running a kick?

I remember playing around with the Panasonics awhile ago and found out they're only better on VV mods.

With unregulated the AW IMR holds a better nominal charge, unless you only change your batts when they're dead. I usually change mine when they drop off 3.6v.

Here's a link with somebody who had the time to make charts.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sonic-imr-18650-2250mah-cgr18650ch-stock.html

It does hold a longer charge but for me the last 300-400 mah is useless. I don't want to vape such a weak voltage (for unregulated).

Think there's a thread where they found the 1600 mah 18650 to actually have a better nominal charge than the 2000mah 18650.

For regulated the Panny's win.

I'm not running a kick in my iHybrid but I have/do run a kick with the Panasonics. I've looked at the graphs and I've seen many of the graphs. Some are generally in favor of AW and others of the Panasonic. I can't fit one of these plus a kick in the iHybrid since they are 18650's

I can only tell you from personal experience that I get much, much more battery life out of the Panasonics versus new and 2 month old AW's. It's not even in the same ballpark. From a strict mah versus mah standpoint it doesn't make any sense I admit, but thats my experience.

What I think is happening is the drop off under load is so much less on the Panasonic's that you can vape them a lot longer. Consequently because the kick cuts of batteries at 3.3v or so that means the AW still has 3.6ish volts unloaded when the kick starts cutting in and out. You can the Panasonic to much lower voltage because it just doesn't drop under load. When I pull them out of a kicked GGTS the voltage is down to around 3.3, not 3.6 like with the AMR's. This equates to a lot of extra battery time for me.

I was going through almost 2 AW's per day. Now I use just over 1 Panasonic per day and I could stretch it a bit further then that but I have quite a few so I swap them out.

Anyway the iHybrid doesn't fit them very well as even the flat tops are a little longer then the AW's. I'm not recommending these to anyone, it's your personal choice. I'm just sharing my experience.

 

[CASEACE79]

Anyone use the MNKE 1500 mah 18650's? Current output is 30amp continuous output vs. the AW IMR 2000 mah is only 10 amp. I've heard you get a much more consistent vape throughout the entire charge of the battery. Just curious if anyone can confirm.

 

[Ezkill]

Anyone use the MNKE 1500 mah 18650's? Current output is 30amp continuous output vs. the AW IMR 2000 mah is only 10 amp. I've heard you get a much more consistent vape throughout the entire charge of the battery. Just curious if anyone can confirm.

Yes I have one. The stats on it are out of this world and it's a very popular battery.

It might be slightly better in the consistency category then the AW and Panasonic but I find the battery life in general falls flat on it's face. I haven't had much luck with it in that regard.

All three of these batteries, in my opinion, are great batteries but in my chase for an all day vape battery the Panasonic won out.

 

[evilferret]

Wish you were local to me Ezkill. Would so go over and we can test batteries.

Could different ohmmage account for our opposite experience with batteries? I tend to make coils with high ohmmage.

 

[Ezkill]

Wish you were local to me Ezkill. Would so go over and we can test batteries.

Could different ohmmage account for our opposite experience with batteries? I tend to make coils with high ohmmage.

Generally speaking, no.

A higher ohm coil vaped at the same watts(higher volts to achieve the same watts) actually has less continuous amp draw on a battery giving you greater battery life across the board.

Strictly in terms of battery life on using regulated wattage, higher ohms provide more battery life.

I did the math earlier in this thread somewhere but it's something like: a 2.0ohm coil vaped at 3.9 versus a 3.0ohm coil vaped at 4.8, the battery on the 3ohm lasts like 20% longer.

Edit: Sorry ferret, I'm really sick and I see I dug up the wrong technical document for the CGR18650CH. I'll dig up the right one at some point just not feeling up to trying to find it right now. But I did a huge amount of research before buying them about what they do in the case of hard shorts and the answer was, off gas.

 

[evilferret]

Thanks! Was like where is the CH model?

Hmm I am currently sitting at 3ohms with the kick. I just like having more wraps.

Hope you feel better! Get some rest! Pluid has vitamin C, vape more!

Has anybody found out if vaping vitamins actually does anything?

Edit: Heh, better than me. I just bought one when the bandwagon first started.

 

[Ezkill]

Yea I'd go to my laptop and dig it up but I'm laying in bed with an iPad and trying to find stuff on it is a bit slow and cumbersome. Even copy and pasting is a chore lol. I'm also covered in dogs right now so I'm a bit reluctant to move.

They seem to know when I'm feeling bad and tuck in around me lol. I love dogs, they're so genuine.

 

[evilferret]

Don't move! If I was sick that's how I want to roll, covered in dogs.

Wish my dogs would come near me right now. Fostering a dog and she's attached to my hip and loves to hump my dogs.

 

[Ezkill]

Don't move! If I was sick that's how I want to roll, covered in dogs.

Wish my dogs would come near me right now. Fostering a dog and she's attached to my hip and loves to hump my dogs.

I'll have to move eventually, unfortunately. The dogs will not cut me any slack when feeding time rolls around in 35 minutes lol.

They still have priorities!

Wife won't be home in time to handle the feeding

 

[elfstone]

A higher ohm coil vaped at the same watts(higher volts to achieve the same watts) actually has less continuous amp draw on a battery giving you greater battery life across the board.

Strictly in terms of battery life on using regulated wattage, higher ohms provide more battery life.

Can you please explain this a little further? I'm not sure I understand it.

 

[evilferret]

Can you please explain this a little further? I'm not sure I understand it.

Has to do with amp draw but didn't expect it to be that big of a difference.

High ohmage leads to less of an amp draw.

I remember the old days when LR atties first came out people were like OMG battery life reduced!

Edit: Actually with super LR wouldn't the 30amp battery be better?

 

[elfstone]

Has to do with amp draw but didn't expect it to be that big of a difference.

High ohmage leads to less of an amp draw.

Its like how in the old days when LR atties first came out people were like OMG battery life reduced!

Right... if the battery is directly connected to the resistor. I really am looking forward to an answer, to make sure I understand what we're talking about, then I'll either revise my own thoughts or explain them

 

[Ezkill]

Can you please explain this a little further? I'm not sure I understand it.

I did the math earlier in this thread but being on an ipad it's a PITA to find it again. Ok so basically people generally gravitate towards the same wattage. For a lot of people that seems to be between 7-8 watts so I'll use 8 watts as an example. This is for regulated wattage, like using the kick.

To vape a 2ohm coil at 7-8 watts you need to push 3.9 volts through it. 3.9*3.9/2 = 7.6
To vape a 3ohm coil at 7-8 watts you need to push 4.8 volts through it 4.8*4.8/2 = 7.6

Ok so you would think that because you are pushing more volts through the 3ohm coil to attain the same wattage you would be using more battery, right? That's not the case.

Battery Amp Draw:

4.8v/3ohms = 1.6 amps of constant amp draw on the battery.
3.9v/2ohms = 1.95 amps of constant amp draw on the battery.

The constant amp draw on the battery is directly related to battery life. As you can see the higher ohm coil vaped at higher volts uses less battery power.

Edit: I'm not sure if my math is right on but it should be close. I don't have a calculator handy.

 

[evilferret]

Oh to make sense to battery life from the amps from Ezkill's equations.

Using round numbers to make it easier, if you have a 100 ah battery it'll theoretically provide 100 amps for 1 hr.

Or 100 ah can provide 1 amp for 100 hrs, 2 amp for 50 hrs, 4 amps for 25 hrs and so forth (if it can handle the amp draw).

Using car stereo numbers but its the same idea when using mah.

Edit: Equation for an estimate on your battery life.

Time = Battery capacity / Current drawn

If using the above equation remember to convert mah to ah first.

 

[weinner]

Not much action here tonight.

 

[NancyR]

well I had a class to teach so just unwinding after all that

 

[weinner]

I'm off to bed. Good night folks.

 

[Mrephunk]

I gots a question??? LOL Where can I get the magnets for my IHy switch, I really dislike the spring?