The iHybrid APV - A fully Customizable Genesis

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elfstone

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I did the math earlier in this thread but being on an ipad it's a PITA to find it again. Ok so basically people generally gravitate towards the same wattage. For a lot of people that seems to be between 7-8 watts so I'll use 8 watts as an example. This is for regulated wattage, like using the kick.

To vape a 2ohm coil at 7-8 watts you need to push 3.9 volts through it. 3.9*3.9/2 = 7.6
To vape a 3ohm coil at 7-8 watts you need to push 4.8 volts through it 4.8*4.8/2 = 7.6

Ok so you would think that because you are pushing more volts through the 3ohm coil to attain the same wattage you would be using more battery, right? That's not the case.

Battery Amp Draw:

4.8v/3ohms = 1.6 amps of constant amp draw on the battery.
3.9v/2ohms = 1.95 amps of constant amp draw on the battery.

OK... I do not think this is correct. I might be wrong, but bear with the entire argument first.

Let me explain. IF you were able to actually vary the voltage of the battery, and the battery was linked to the resistor, your Ohm's law calculations would suffice. However, the battery has a fixed (and slowly declining) voltage. It doesn't change. A regulator does NOT change the battery voltage, it plays with it.

The regulator's magic is that it sits between the battery and the resistor (atty) and it draws power from the battery at the battery's voltage, and converts that same power to a higher voltage output. The way it does so doesn't matter and is complicated, let's just say it somehow temporarily stores charge and dumps it from time to time into the resistor circuit.

The main point is that you are dealing with two separate circuits: battery<->regulator and regulator<->resistor. The only value that connects them is the power, due to energy conservation.

Hence, regardless of the resistor's value, the power output of the regulator will be always the same, P. The power draw on the battery has to be also the same (a little higher, really, because of the <1 efficiency of the regulator).

Therefore the current draw from the battery will always be P/U batt, not sqrt(P/R). The current in the second circuit (regulator<->resistor) varies according to Ohm's law, and is always less th

For your example, that would be 2.1 Amps in both situations.

Now, might I be wrong? Sure, but to me this argument makes a lot of sense if you really think about it. I see this claim all the time being made about regulated vaping. The essential problem is that it would mean you get power / energy from nothing somehow. You see if you link the battery directly to the resistor, then depending on the resistance, the power goes up and down while the voltage stays the same and, yes, the lower resistors "draws" more power and, hence, more current.

But when you regulate, it is the power and voltage that stay constant and then the current draw from the battery cannot vary. If it did, like in your example, then you would violate the energy conservation law, you'd be outputting more energy into the higher resistance atty than you'd be drawing from the battery...
 

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But, we're not changing cartos, or adjusting voltage. Why not keep it simple.

Wrap more coils: cooler vape, longer battery life.

Wrap less coils: hotter vape, shorter battery life.

I've been getting a pretty consistent vape on my AW IMR batteries from 4.2 volts down to about 3.6 volts, kick or no kick. I'm thinking about selling my kick. The KISS rule seems to apply with genesis devices.

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But, we're not changing cartos, or adjusting voltage. Why not keep it simple.

Wrap more coils: cooler vape, longer battery life.

Wrap less coils: hotter vape, shorter battery life.

I've been getting a pretty consistent vape on my AW IMR batteries from 4.2 volts down to about 3.6 volts, kick or no kick. I'm thinking about selling my kick. The KISS rule seems to apply with genesis devices.

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Here's a simple test, get a unregulated mod and use a LR/SR/HR atty/carto.

The LR should be the shortest lasting one.

For a simple circuit I= V/R.
So say V stays constant (in a unregulated device) and only difference is the resistance, higher ohmmage will lead to a lower amperage.

Lower amperage leads to longer battery life.

Me and Ezkill was talking about how on a kick, higher ohm wraps seem to last longer at the same wattage than a lower ohm coil due to different amp draw.
 
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Here's a simple test, get a unregulated mod and use a LR/SR/HR atty/carto.

The LR should be the shortest lasting one.

For a simple circuit I= V/R.
So say V stays constant (in a unregulated device) and only difference is the resistance, higher ohmmage will lead to a lower amperage.

Lower amperage leads to longer battery life.

Not going to do that EF. I am using genesis devices now. I know that more wraps are more resistance. I know ohm's law and how to figure watts. The sooner I forget it, the better. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

It's a different way of thinking for me now. Ima wrap a coil and vape from now on. Handed my Provari to my wife and said, "Knock yourself out, honey. This is exactly how you adjust it."

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Not going to do that EF. I am using genesis devices now. I know that more wraps are more resistance. I know ohm's law and how to figure watts. The sooner I forget it, the better. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

It's a different way of thinking for me now. Ima wrap a coil and vape from now on. Handed my Provari to my wife and said, "Knock yourself out, honey. This is exactly how you adjust it."

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Heh, I guess we're at different points in our Genesis lives.

I'm finding a kick the way to go. I want more wraps. Even with 30g I'm doing 7-8 wraps now and still pushing higher ohmmage so a kick works wonderfully.

I did a stint of 2 wraps. Thought I was going to die.

3 wraps was fine but I wasn't getting the taste consistency I want.

Hey as long as we're all off the stinkies, doesn't matter how we get there.

Finding I need different coil setups for different draws too.

Edit: Might need to order some 28g to try out too. Hmm wonder how many wraps I can fit with that.

Edit2: Elfstone, not sure how you got your amp draw. Ezkill's numbers seem correct to me. Not wanting to start a fight, just want the correct info to emerge.
 
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grruss

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Therein lies the beauty of the iHybrid. If you want to kick it, kick it. If you don't, don't. If you want to calculate resistance, current, and voltage, do it. If not... meh. The chameleon of genesis hybrid devices. Hell, you can even change color if you want.

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But, we're not changing cartos, or adjusting voltage. Why not keep it simple.

Wrap more coils: cooler vape, longer battery life.

Wrap less coils: hotter vape, shorter battery life.

I've been getting a pretty consistent vape on my AW IMR batteries from 4.2 volts down to about 3.6 volts, kick or no kick. I'm thinking about selling my kick. The KISS rule seems to apply with genesis devices.

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Not going to do that EF. I am using genesis devices now. I know that more wraps are more resistance. I know ohm's law and how to figure watts. The sooner I forget it, the better. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

It's a different way of thinking for me now. Ima wrap a coil and vape from now on. Handed my Provari to my wife and said, "Knock yourself out, honey. This is exactly how you adjust it."

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Yeppers. I do like the KISS method. That said, I'm not ready to give up my ProVari's for when I get the itch to tinker. ;) :)
 

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OK... I do not think this is correct. I might be wrong, but bear with the entire argument first.

I don't want to re-quote the entire thing because I understand what you're saying.

I'm not an electrical engineer but in my experience battery life greatly increases at constant wattage on higher ohm coils. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that I get a lot more battery life out of a higher ohm coil vaped at the same watts.

I've tested this to death because there was a debate about it somewhere else on this board. Odysseus 3.0ohm coil has far greater battery life then an Odysseus with 2ohm coil. Same ProVari, same battery. Each cycled 5 times.
 
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