The Independent article yesterday

[PlansWithinPlans]

Opinion: I'm an American doctor. Here's the truth about Juul, vaping and legalizing marijuana
Finally some actual facts, not fear mongering.
Not sure if the link will post but I think you can Google it.

 

[HigherStateD]

Opinion: I'm an American doctor. Here's the truth about Juul, vaping and legalizing marijuana

 

[HigherStateD]

Well written, informed, and, mostly, unbiased. Shame it'll get buried under all the snowflake fear mongering...

 

[BrotherBob]

Finally some actual facts, not fear mongering.

Welcome and glad you joined.
Good article and so true, thanks for the heads up.

 

[fourmedallions]

One quote from the article hit me like a brick:

"While using deaths caused by black market vapes to scapegoat the entire e-cigarette industry is unethical, the situation is complex because the vaping industry is guilty of its own terrible misdeeds. Companies like Juul, one of the most popular e-cigarette makers in the US, used deceptive marketing practices to target teens and schoolchildren. juul even sent company representatives to schools and youth camps, sometimes without the teacher in the room, to promote vaping with enticing flavors like mango, mint, and cucumber."

When I was a kid, we had a carnival that came to our elementary school at the end of the year. My last year there, a new booth showed up. It was right next to the booth with the goldfish. The game? Roulette. The prize? Cigarettes. Kids as young as six years old were walking away with bags of them.

Guess how I got hooked? I was not six, I was 13 and when I arrived there, I was only interested in the fish. Some studies show that it can take as little as ONE cigarette to hook a growing kid. Do YOU think that they are going to stick with the tried and true juice recipes that we use? How much you want to bet there isn't an infusion lab working right now to develop a brand new cocktail filled with contaminants and poison that they will use to only increase the addicting qualities of an already hugely addicting drug?

Juul, Vuse, and Blu are Not the vaping industry. They are engaging in an all out take over attempt so that they can KEEP their SLAVES in line and recruit new ones, just like they always have done.

 

[madstabber]

One quote from the article hit me like a brick:

"While using deaths caused by black market vapes to scapegoat the entire e-cigarette industry is unethical, the situation is complex because the vaping industry is guilty of its own terrible misdeeds. Companies like Juul, one of the most popular e-cigarette makers in the US, used deceptive marketing practices to target teens and schoolchildren. Juul even sent company representatives to schools and youth camps, sometimes without the teacher in the room, to promote vaping with enticing flavors like mango, mint, and cucumber."

When I was a kid, we had a carnival that came to our elementary school at the end of the year. My last year there, a new booth showed up. It was right next to the booth with the goldfish. The game? Roulette. The prize? Cigarettes. Kids as young as six years old were walking away with bags of them.

Guess how I got hooked? I was not six, I was 13 and when I arrived there, I was only interested in the fish. Some studies show that it can take as little as ONE cigarette to hook a growing kid. Do YOU think that they are going to stick with the tried and true juice recipes that we use? How much you want to bet there isn't an infusion lab working right now to develop a brand new cocktail filled with contaminants and poison that they will use to only increase the addicting qualities of an already hugely addicting drug?

Juul, Vuse, and Blu are Not the vaping industry. They are engaging in an all out take over attempt so that they can KEEP their SLAVES in line and recruit new ones, just like they always have done.

I had something similar happen when I was in elementary school. They had a police officer come in to talk to us about drugs. He even had a display with examples of the drugs so we knew what they looked like. Man we were almost hooked from that but the final blow came when we found out the name of the program D.A.R.E. Not sure what the letters stood for but the message was crystal clear. Drugs sounded cool and trying them exciting. Now we know what they look like so we don’t get ripped off and to top it of they D.A.R.E.d us to try them out. It was a well thought out program that was wildly successful in getting many from my generation hooked. You want a kid to do something, just dare him. Pretty sure that was the tagline for the program.

 

[casuald00d]

yes to this. i read this earlier and was blown away by the fact that someone was actually speaking the truth from an educated perspective. too much fear-mongering and foolishness right now and then you have this- a knowledgeable medical professional saying it how it is.

can we please have more of this in the news? i'm tired of trying to explain to people around me who don't vape what the reality is about vaping. they read a news article that's all hype without sustenance and start telling me about how bad vaping is... it's like, come on, if you're going to hassle me about it please do your research first. you read one stupid article and suddenly you're an expert. if you're going to read one article, please let it be this one in the independent lol.

 

[bombastinator]

Well written, informed, and, mostly, unbiased. Shame it'll get buried under all the snowflake fear mongering...

Had to throw “snowflake” in there. I was ready to agree with your statement.

I hate political dogwhistles. So: how do you feel that “snowflake fear mongering” different from regular fear mongering? Or... I don’t know... (trying to think of a blue political dog whistle that refers to red constituents but I’m failing to find one off the top of my head. Let’s go with an artificial placeholder: cabbage) cabbage fear mongering?

UPDATE: ah! I thought of one! “Stupid”. it’s equally rarely applicable in reality, just as often used, just as unfair and just as disliked. Works poorly in the sentance though. “Stupid fear mongering” refers not to the people doing it but to the quality of the fear mongering.

 

[casuald00d]

Had to throw “snowflake” in there. I was ready to agree with your statement.

I hate political dogwhistles. So: how do you feel that “snowflake fear mongering” different from regular fear mongering? Or... I don’t know... (trying to think of a blue political dog whistle that refers to red constituents but I’m failing to find one off the top of my head. Let’s go with an artificial placeholder: cabbage) cabbage fear mongering?

lol right? i'm all about that middle ground. left, right - what a bunch of nonsense. i'm not 100% sure the intent of including the 'snowflake' reference was what i'm assuming we both think it is, but it's like... can we just live up to our country's name? the UNITED states of america lol.

 

[fourmedallions]

I had something similar happen when I was in elementary school. They had a police officer come in to talk to us about drugs. He even had a display with examples of the drugs so we knew what they looked like. Man we were almost hooked from that but the final blow came when we found out the name of the program D.A.R.E. Not sure what the letters stood for but the message was crystal clear. Drugs sounded cool and trying them exciting. Now we know what they look like so we don’t get ripped off and to top it of they D.A.R.E.d us to try them out. It was a well thought out program that was wildly successful in getting many from my generation hooked. You want a kid to do something, just dare him. Pretty sure that was the tagline for the program.

I remember that program. I think they went all over the place. Tobacco companies have NO business showing up at elementary schools or summer camp. That is right out of their playbook from the 70's and I was just livid when I read that.

 

[vaper1960]

When I was a kid back in the day (middle school... we called it junior high back then) they had that display too, but the guy also lit a joint (horrible stale low grade stuff) so we could recognize the "sweet leaf" smell. I hope all the new members here realize we did not discuss such things until recently. Because of the recent situation, rules were changed to allow this (there is a specific forum for this) so if you want to dig deeper into the subject, please feel free to check out the other forums here. There was also a "cheech and chong" routine making fun of the school presentations. In my opinion, they had no business even being there. When my son was in school, they actually encouraged the kids to "snitch" on parents. Kinda reminds me of the nazis getting kids to do the same thing.

 

[vaper1960]

When I was a kid, we had a carnival that came to our elementary school at the end of the year. My last year there, a new booth showed up. It was right next to the booth with the goldfish. The game? Roulette. The prize? Cigarettes. Kids as young as six years old were walking away with bags of them.

Are you serious? Gambling and tobacco? I didn't know that... what state was this in?

 

[vaper1960]

OP (PWP) I apologize for sidetracking your thread... will try to stay on topic.

 

[fourmedallions]

Are you serious? Gambling and tobacco? I didn't know that... what state was this in?

It was in Illinois in the 70's and gambling was illegal. I don't know, maybe because the stakes only involved children's lives and not something as sacred as money, it didn't count. The sad thing is that I never even went to that booth, but a lot of my friends as well as my brother did. Kids being kids, they share, they trade, they give away what they don't want and before you knew it - almost every kid in that parking lot had packs of cigarettes hidden somewhere on their person.

Leopards don't change their spots. I would be very careful with any product designed, developed, produced or marketed by any company owned in whole or in part, by tobacco companies.