The Man That Invented E-Cigs...

[Kent C]

DonDaBoomVape + KentC: Missing the point. Look up the words "invention" and "innovation". Invention implies being the first, where as innovate implies presenting as if new, or making changes or doing something in a new way.

Most commentary - scholarly or common, doesn't conform with what you just wrote. For example from wiki:

"Following Schumpeter (1934), contributors to the scholarly literature on innovation typically distinguish between invention, an idea made manifest, and innovation, ideas applied successfully in practice."

There is no such significance of 'invention' being a 'first along a chronological time track.' It is only an 'idea made manifest' and it is (and has been the case) entirely possible that different people have come to the same idea at different times and places - which does not take away from the action of 'inventing'.

Innovation, as above, is a new pragmatic implementation, whereas an invention is a theory/idea made manifest in reality.

"In the social sciences, an innovation is anything new to a culture, whether it has been adopted or not. The theory for adoption (or non-adoption) of an innovation, called diffusion of innovations, considers the likelihood that an innovation will ever be adopted and the taxonomy of persons likely to adopt it or spur its adoption. This theory was first put forth by Everett Rogers.[30] Gabriel Tarde also dealt with the adoption of innovations in his Laws of Imitation.[31]

In business, innovation can be easily distinguished from invention. Invention is the conversion of cash into ideas. Innovation is the conversion of ideas into cash. This is best described by comparing Thomas Edison with Nikola Tesla. Thomas Edison was as innovator because he made money from his ideas. Nikola Tesla was an inventor. Tesla spent money to create his inventions but was unable to monetize them."

 

[Kent C]

From the summary..." by replacing burning tobacco and paper with heated, moist, flavored air; or by inhaling warm medication into the lungs"

Sounds like inhaling vapor to me.

fu - you just want to argue a moot point. have a nice life.

 

[blacksheepfoto]

Kentc: I'm going to have to complain to my school teachers and Merriam-Webster then.
invent - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

But I understand your argument. And by your argument, especially relating to business, Herbert is the inventor here..and Hon Lik is the innovator.

 

[Kent C]

Kentc: I'm going to have to complain to my school teachers and Merriam-Webster then.
invent - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

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I don't think they start using Merriam Webster until junior high. Stay in school, but don't buy everything they tell you.

 

[Caesarea]

What's certain is that this would be a great research project for someone resident in PA.

 

[blacksheepfoto]

fu - you just want to argue a moot point. have a nice life.

No need to be insulting.

I was just stating opinion. You said it isn't vapor and the patent seems to define a sure fire method of producing it. You had an opinion, I spoke mine.

Relax, it is just the internet.

 

[kinabaloo]

The key to what HonLik came up with was using glycol to create a visible vapor/fog.

Thought experiment: if your favorite e-liquid was available in a half-price version, identical in nic and taste but produced no visible fog, would you buy it?

(no cheating in this experiment - you can't add VG at home!)

 

[Harlequin]

More history - a 1988 document summarizing extant and possible designs for smokeless or reduced-smoke cigarettes: Conceptual Design of Alternative Smoking Articles.

 

[ThaLadyD]

Sounds like this could be similar to the guy that invented timed windshield wipers for Ford, they stole his invention and put it in their cars.
Wasn't until 20 years later that he won the suit against them, and by then he lost everything including his family..

Think the US inventor is still alive? He may not even be aware with all the people who don't even know what an e-cig is!!

Maybe they didn't realize there was already a patent for one?

Then again, maybe he sold the rights?



Fascinating conversation though!

 

[Kent C]

blacksheepfoto bleats: No need to be insulting.

fu isn't an insult. "bleats" would be if it weren't for your ID, but now it's just a pun.

I was just stating opinion.

Nah, you said Don and I were "wrong". When you say that, you're talking in factual terms. And I'd point out that you would have never even had an opinion had I not posted the Gilbert link. Your reaction to it is what is called 'xenophobic' at best.

You said it isn't vapor and the patent seems to define a sure fire method of producing it.

Heated air, isn't necessariily vapor.

You had an opinion, I spoke mine.

No you didn't. You were talking definitions not opinions. And your definitioins were wrong.

Relax, it is just the internet.

You're human, I'm a human. It'd be the same face to face, I assure you. When you take the opposite side of what I said in now three cases, if you consider that you felt dissed on not getting freebies rather than the vendor simply cutting them out and lowering shipping, then it's time to say what you're doing - just be contrary, and quit. Which is what I'm doing right now.

 

[nvrbdun]

Pay Attention....... I am sure It was Al Gore, Right after he invented the Internet. So we can give him another award.... we all Vape and chat about it on the Internet........ So many Thanks again Mr Gore.

 

[ThaLadyD]

The key to what HonLik came up with was using glycol to create a visible vapor/fog.

Thought experiment: if your favorite e-liquid was available in a half-price version, identical in nic and taste but produced no visible fog, would you buy it?

The Bloom e-cigarette uses propylene glycol or glycerin also, but I'm not sure if that makes it an e-cigarette, or something different? Theirs is a totally different style using lighter fluid as the fuel instead of batteries.

I'm guessing HonLik's concept was similar like the bloom... In some small way, just different enough to allow the manufacture of his concept without infringement....

 

[Uncle Pennybags]

..Wonder if the tobacco companies in the '60s got involved pending the pharma interest? Maybe payed him off?

That was the first thing that came to mind.

 

[Harlequin]

I've just run a Google Patent Search and there have been dozens of similar devices patented over the past thirty years.

 

[blacksheepfoto]

Kent: Since saying "FU" to someone is no longer an insult be it online or in person (Did Wikipedia tell you this as well?)...

I'll just leave it at this....FU2. Happy trails MFer! KMFA and HANCOSTFU!

 

[Caesarea]

I've just run a Google Patent Search and there have been dozens of similar devices patented over the past thirty years.

It will be really interesting to see which ones come out of the woodwork in the next couple of decades...

 

[Scottbee]

Yes, there have been a lot of similar devices. But Hon Lik generally gets the credit because he invented.... YES, he was the INVENTOR of the PV that most of us use. He invented and patented the atomization process, the MOSFET control, the layout of the bridge and the metal mesh.. and many of the other characteristics of the "standard" PV. That includes models like the 801, 901, 510, M401 M702/M803, etc. etc.. That's why most of the PV manufacturers have license agreements with Ruyan.

Kinda important to note that many of the aspects of his patents do NOT apply to the Kanger 2-piece units (KR808D-1).

Personally Blacksheep.. I think you're pretty much out-to-lunch on this one.

 

[blacksheepfoto]

OK OK you guys win! Just don't ask me to drink any Kool Aid, mmkay?

Hon Lik invented the electronic cigarette, despite the existance of that 40+yr old US PATENT that I misguidedly thought proved, without a shadow of a doubt, otherwise.

You guys can believe your definition of the words. I'll stick with mine, and Merriam-Websters...

innovate - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

invent - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Unsubscribing from this thread....going to spend the rest of my night looking up expired patents and see if there is something I can call my own...perhaps a stick removal device designed to comfortably interface with the anus. I know quite a few people who could use such a thing.

Yes, there have been a lot of similar devices. But Hon Lik generally gets the credit because he invented.... YES, he was the INVENTOR of the PV that most of us use. He invented and patented the atomization process, the MOSFET control, the layout of the bridge and the metal mesh.. and many of the other characteristics of the "standard" PV. That includes models like the 801, 901, 510, M401 M702/M803, etc. etc.. That's why most of the PV manufacturers have license agreements with Ruyan.

Kinda important to note that many of the aspects of his patents do NOT apply to the Kanger 2-piece units (KR808D-1).

Personally Blacksheep.. I think you're pretty much out-to-lunch on this one.

 

[Kattdaddy]

Sounds like this could be similar to the guy that invented timed windshield wipers for Ford, they stole his invention and put it in their cars.
Wasn't until 20 years later that he won the suit against them, and by then he lost everything including his family..

Think the US inventor is still alive? He may not even be aware with all the people who don't even know what an e-cig is!!

Maybe they didn't realize there was already a patent for one?

Then again, maybe he sold the rights?

He died in 2005.. He didn't sell his rights to those patents but since the Ford company stole them and implemented them.. He never regained the credit for them and therefore, was not able to profit from manufacturing them. He just lost his credit, his family, and his lifes work.

 

[USinchains]

Telsa invented a light bulb with a more efficient form factor than the Edison bulb, right around the same time Edison released his own, they actually warred for market dominance. It's probably thee most popular one used today. Still everyone thinks Edison invented it, they practically worship the guy in my town, you can go to his old estate for a family day trip and I bet you can't even count the number of Tesla bulbs you see there. Not sure where I'm going with this, just something interesting to think about.