The Meaning of "Boutique" juice and what you all are missing.

[Mr.Mann]

I know nothing, and what's worse is all my education in eliquid makes me suck even worse at DIYing! Oy vey. For real, my little DIY stuff makes my least favorite vendor look like Tom Colicchio made it.

 

[rebgold]

I know nothing, and what's worse is all my education in eliquid makes me suck even worse at DIYing! Oy vey. For real, my little DIY stuff makes my least favorite vendor look like Tom Colicchio made it.

Don't try too hard. Just smell them with your eyes closed, pick the first one that grabs you, decide that will be your starting point, then start smelling again with a thought to a pairing until something is just the right thing, that's how I do it. Then I add a third note usually you know, for a little kick.

 

[oxygen thief]

Thanks for telling what we ALL are missing.

"The whole point is what is being sold as "premium craft juice" in your words is at least 8 out of 10 times exactly the same as what you're calling cheap juice."

You paint with broad strokes and you are exaggerating wildly. This argument is a non sequitur. Not worth the time.

 

[rebgold]

There would have to have been a previous argument for it to be a non sequitor, what does it not follow? I'm not following anything, I started the argument. Discussion. I may be a wild brush stroker, but I do believe most of the time the expensive juice is exactly the same as the cheap juice, it just costs more.

 

[Mr.Mann]

There would have to have been a previous argument for it to be a non sequitor, what does it not follow? I'm not following anything, I started the argument. Discussion. I may be a wild brush stroker, but I do believe most of the time the expensive juice is exactly the same as the cheap juice, it just costs more.

See, I am kinda on the opposite end right now. After DIYIng so much over the past however long, I have a huge respect for even the least among us in the liquid game. And, while the "best" out there actually is far from the worse, many are generally, GENERALLY, worth some type of retail (at least in comparison to my DIY madness. LOL). But I won't get into trying to justify the prices as that is mostly, obviously, hard to justify. I do get your points though.

 

[rebgold]

Dang it Mann, you're gonna get mad at me now. I just think there needs to be a reason why one vendors bottle of nic, pg/vg and TPA lemon and cake costs twice as much as anothers.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Dang it Mann, you're gonna get mad at me now. I just think there needs to be a reason why one vendors bottle of nic, pg/vg and TPA lemon and cake costs twice as much as anothers.

The one that's awesome was outsourced. You got to make up the costs somehow. LOL.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Fish eggs is fish eggs. Put a Beluga label on it and it's still fish eggs.

 

[jdrewry]

Personally, I think the whole "Boutique" angle is merely for marketing. Good is good, bad is bad, no matter how it's presented. It all comes down to what you, as the consumer, likes, and it doesn't matter what it's categorized as. There are cheap juices out there that are great; there are expensive juices out there that are terrible (and that's due to personal preference, since everyone won't like the same things). Doesn't really matter to me what my e-liquid is perceived as, as long as I'm enjoying what I've got.

 

[Fuzzy Bruce]

As a cigar smoker/collector, the word boutique might mean a limited production run or a product from a smaller cigar maker but almost always meant,,, more expensive. Now a vaper, I have been trying different manufactured e-liquids and have found the cigar metaphor is about the same for juice.

 

[nyiddle]

And food coloring burns up on your coils before it enters your lungs.

LOL, I'm sorry. This is just not true. I don't know what you think you know, but you don't. Nobody does.

Don't spread misinformation like this. It's irresponsible. The only thing you can truly say is that "we don't know what happens when you vape food coloring."

 

[DeathBYzombieZ]

I've actually never had cheap juice that is also good. Has anyone?

 

[rebgold]

So, because there hasn't been a study done by you can't do your own experiment? Nobody can know anything if they aren't officially a scientist in a lab?
Vape through a cigarette filter. If color is atomized it should show up in the filter.
Take it a step farther, blow uninhaled vapor into a jar and close it. When the vapor turns back to a liquid it would be colored if the coloring is atomized.
Then wipe your coils and see how much color has built up on them.
Sounds kind of like, I don't know, science or something.

How do we get DVAP in on this? Anyone? Bueller?

 

[Mogar]

We are also needing to look at economics.
Most people (not all) see expensive as better, even though it is the same stuff.
Miller and Bush both make beer (don't ask me which is better because I don't drink it) and they both can it in different ways, but they both take the SAME BEER and put it in a different can and market it as off brand. It doesn't matter that one is in a white can labeled BEER, and sells for 20 cents less a can, it comes from the same vat as their branded beer. (The Beer brand beer is an old argument from the 70-80s but the statement remains the same).

 

[DeathBYzombieZ]

We are also needing to look at economics.
Most people (not all) see expensive as better, even though it is the same stuff.
Miller and Bush both make beer (don't ask me which is better because I don't drink it) and they both can it in different ways, but they both take the SAME BEER and put it in a different can and market it as off brand. It doesn't matter that one is in a white can labeled BEER, and sells for 20 cents less a can, it comes from the same vat as their branded beer. (The Beer brand beer is an old argument from the 70-80s but the statement remains the same).

Well what about craft beer? Craft beer is more expensive but also a lot better.

 

[rebgold]

I posed the atomized, or not, food coloring question to the great and powerful DVAP, we'll see if we get an answer on the validity of the science I have presented.

 

[KurrptSenate]

Well what about craft beer? Craft beer is more expensive but also a lot better.

absolutely

but that also factors in increased cost to the brewer since he cannot buy ingredients in such quantities as the "giants", but also the increased brew time of a lot of craft beers

 

[MayLovesMetal]

Here's a good old thread about "renowned" juices from almost 2 years ago.

I pulled Lasttangos great post from thread to share with you.

"I like the idea of this thread ---> though we need to "qualify" what legendary means...
As far as I am concerned, an operational definition of Legendary would mean that a juice has been very popular for 3-4 years... it's has to have inspired other juice makers... and copycats... whether it is hot now or not.... so as good as nicoticket and indigo and mom and pop are... they are about 1.5-2+ years away from being legendary...

One exception IMO... being:
PLUID... Pluid has been discussed and in the making for a long time before it was commercially available... ...and it help inspired a boom in boutique and artisan juice making.

Whether I like them or not... and I do like most of these... I would qualify these as legendary... as far as ECF goes... over the past 3-4 years.

Boba's Bounty and Gorilla Juice
BWB RY4
BWB Malty Toffee
BWB Casablanca
Dulcis by Vaportalk
Bounty Hunter by Nitelite Vapor
Kona Cream Milkshake from Virgin (never had this one, but heh... immense popularity forever)
DK-TAB from Dekang
RY4 from Dekang
Taboo from LiquidXpress
I think you have to go with Geoff's Blend or Butterfinger from Tasty Vapor
Snickerdoodle Ms. T's...
Halo's Torque
V4L's Smilin' Menthol



as far as nets and more tobacco inspired... I think some have listed a few big ones...

Never tried it, but that Vermillion River line has been consistently pumped for at least 3 years.
as Dspin said... want2Vape's Alcazar is arguably one of the first nets that caught fire... want2vape makes great juice btw... their creme brulee is the best IMO...

well... I tried... it would be a worthy and fun activity to attempt to qualify what legendary means... and compile a list for newbies to see...

I have no doubt that companies like ahlusion, nicoticket, fuzion, vapetrik, mom and pops, goodlife etc will have legendary juices...


Boba's and Pluid have inspired so many juices... as has the regular janty or dekang RY4/ dulcis
Last edited by lasttango; 10-25-2013 at 05:37 PM.
I had to go back through Lasttango's threads to find examples of high end juices that have stood the test of time. Maybe Lasttango and Mr.Mann will get in on this as they've both stood the test of time and established themselves as serious vapers who understand quality, or some of the other long standing members whose names I have unfortunately forgotten since I haven't been around for a while."

Not to derail your very interesting thread, but I wish you'd consider editing Ms Ts out of this post. The juice is no longer the classic it was, and the vendor has been ripping people off for over a year straight now. There's an ongoing thread here about it, as well as a huge one that was archived last year when Ms Ts failed to pay the ECF bill. Super frustrating to see new vapers continuing to fall into the trap of ordering from them because they see the name on lists of great juices.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...longer-delay-then-posted-31.html#post14474639

 

[Stosh]

Well what about craft beer? Craft beer is more expensive but also a lot better.

absolutely

but that also factors in increased cost to the brewer since he cannot buy ingredients in such quantities as the "giants", but also the increased brew time of a lot of craft beers

Best way to really taste what's in your beer, try drinking a bottle at a cool room temperature, craft beers will be flavorful, the "giants" hmmm, warm @#$%.

For brewing the biggest difference is in the brew process, as even the "giants" will use very high quality ingredients. If you can find it in your local stores, try a live beer, where the yeast is in the bottle and not filtered out or killed.

 

[DeathBYzombieZ]

absolutely

but that also factors in increased cost to the brewer since he cannot buy ingredients in such quantities as the "giants", but also the increased brew time of a lot of craft beers

Well craft beer is also more hands on. I'm sure machines do a lot of the work for Marco breweries. Micro breweries are more personal and it shows in the brews they create. Mmm I could go for an IPA right now.