So the Volt from Smokeless Image is great, but I am looking to take the next step. I have researched and read and changed my mind about a hundred times. I am currently battling over a Variable Voltage model (3.2v ~ 4.8v) or something with a constant Voltage (3.7). Can someone please explain what are the pros and cons of each? Thanks.
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Welcome, Wayner. I can't help you with the technical stuff, but I have used Blu, Smoke Tip, Volt and KGO/ego and I am planning to buy a Vision Spinner next.
Vision Spinner Variable Voltage Battery I was torn between the Twist and the Spinner and finally decided to spin, not twist.
Vision Spinner Variable Voltage Battery I was torn between the Twist and the Spinner and finally decided to spin, not twist.
Check out the VAMO. A step up to the big time of vv and vw. without bankrupting your account.
I began vaping with Smokeless Image Volts and X2's, too. I wanted even longer vape time between battery charges and the option to use the larger capacity cartotanks, so I got my first two APV's - the Altsmoke BB and Silver Bullet. The BB was perfect for outside the home because of its smaller and lighter size/weight. The Silver Bullet allowed me to use huge 7ml cartotanks. I thought I was pretty content with this setup until I had my first experience with higher voltage.
I visited the newly opened Altsmoke brick-and-mortar store in Columbus, Ohio. I met the owner, Rob, and spent a good two hours chatting and vaping with him and Dimitri. Then Rob asked to see my Silver Bullet. When he returned it to me, he had put a Kick and extension tube on my Bullet. I had my first experience with higher voltage with my own favorite flavor in my cartotank. I was sincerely amazed at the improvement that my juice had; fine notes of flavor that I had no idea were there with the basic 3.7 volts. I was sold on variable voltage from that point on.
I could have "Kicked" my own Bullet, but I enjoy a wide variety of flavors. I suspected that I might be inclined to change the voltage frequently according to the many flavors that I use. Knowing that to change the output of a Kick, one must remove the battery and then the Kick from the Silver Bullet, use a tool to change the setting on the Kick, and then return everything. This process must be repeated each time you want to change settings. I decided the best route for me to pursue would be a dedicated variable voltage device. I am so glad that I had this foresight.
I ended up getting the Provari. I still use cartotanks with it. For my fruit flavors, I vape at 3.7v or under. For my coffee flavors, I vape anywhere between 4.2v-4.8v. For a cinnamon flavor, I enjoy it at near 6v. It is so easy to adjust the voltage according to what flavor I happen to be using. I'm spoiled, the BB and Silver Bullet are now delegated to backup status. Variable voltage is all that I use.
If budget is a concern, I would suggest the Vamo...
Now full disclosure, I have not used it. But with my experience with VV, I would not use another VV device... I would go to VW(which the Vamo has). VV is nice, but overly complicated compared to VW... with the Vamo getting such good reviews, it's the obvious choice for the Budget VW device.
As it stands for me now, the Provari is my next device.
Now full disclosure, I have not used it. But with my experience with VV, I would not use another VV device... I would go to VW(which the Vamo has). VV is nice, but overly complicated compared to VW... with the Vamo getting such good reviews, it's the obvious choice for the Budget VW device.
As it stands for me now, the Provari is my next device.
I've vaped for a year. Initially bought an ego kit, then a kgo kit. Then started buying 18650 tube mods because they were/are typically inexpensive and provide enough charge for a whole day's vaping before the charge starts to trail off much. I've tried the XL3, the XL4, the joyetech 18650 mod, the telescope mod from Smoktech and I recently bought an ego twist, even though I knew I was overpaying for the small form factor/low capacity. The XL 3 was the only other "VV" mod. I put VV in quotes because the step intervals are about .3-.4V apart and no one here would consider that true variable volt probably.
I've found, for me at least, that unlisted factors such as the airflow the unit allows around the carto or atty makes a very big difference in how good a vape I get, the flavor, the wicking (even if same juice). I also have found that a nice copper or steel mod will hit better than the mostly aluminum battery tubes.
I'd avoid the VAMO based on the comments from users indicating persistent design flaws with regard to the button, confusing or only partially functional software (the whole, you can use one mode but you shouldn't use the other mode thing).
I've found, for me at least, that unlisted factors such as the airflow the unit allows around the carto or atty makes a very big difference in how good a vape I get, the flavor, the wicking (even if same juice). I also have found that a nice copper or steel mod will hit better than the mostly aluminum battery tubes.
I'd avoid the VAMO based on the comments from users indicating persistent design flaws with regard to the button, confusing or only partially functional software (the whole, you can use one mode but you shouldn't use the other mode thing).
Thank you so much for the detailed and well thought out reply. That is sort of how I was leaning. But never having the experience to try the same flavor at a higher voltage, I don't know how much it can improve. I do want to use a cartotank as well.
You can get a great vape either way, both have advantages and disadvantages.
I will say this; everyone IMO should have at least one all mechanical 3.7v pv, that can't fail, for a backup regardless of what they like for their everyday vape. The best PV out there is, and always will be, "more than one".
I will say this; everyone IMO should have at least one all mechanical 3.7v pv, that can't fail, for a backup regardless of what they like for their everyday vape. The best PV out there is, and always will be, "more than one".
Like Baditude said, with variable voltage, some juices taste better at different voltages. You really don't need to know the "correct" voltage for your attty, just dial it till you get what you like. If it starts tasting burnt, dial it down. Slow increments work best.
It's nice to see the chart to get a starting point. There are some floating around the forum and I just use the search function if I want to look at it. I prefer variable to fixed simply because not all juices are created equal. Nor are all atty's.
It's nice to see the chart to get a starting point. There are some floating around the forum and I just use the search function if I want to look at it. I prefer variable to fixed simply because not all juices are created equal. Nor are all atty's.
I too went with a vision spinner over the twist. Much easier to read numbers on the bottom. I have been absolutely loving it so far!!
My next step will be the Vamo, it is a good price for where I want to go next. I like that the Vamo has VV and VW.
I would recommend the Provari. If you get something like the less expensive Vamo, make sure it's the V2 (or whatever it's called) that has the 2c safety stuff better worked out.
I really don't understand the "stage" thing unless one has already done it because they didn't know better, and then in hindsight can say 'yeah, that's how it happened'. Looking forward from here, there's no inherent reason anyone has to graduate from Blue to Volt to Ego to Lavatube to Provari or Zenesis iHybrid or whatever, spending money on each step of the journey.
If you can discern how you like to vape and what features you need, then go for the best device you can afford, or possibly beg, borrow or steal to get. I can see, for example, why VW might appeal to some people, but since I'm a one vape person, I only need a single, regulated voltage, and what the VV on the Provari does for me, essentially, is enable me to use use any Ohm resistance carto/tank/atty and adjust to that same vape. So I don't need anything else.
And not to come across as the proverbial Provari fanboi (though I have become one), but I've read so many reviews about the cheaper devices that work fine until the the button gets stuck, the cap threads get shredded, the finish corrodes or the circuitry shorts out. Or you read that the volt/Ohm readings aren't very accurate and the button action is inconsistent. Why bother cycling through all of these permutations until you end up splurging for the device you really wanted all along anyway?
And no, I'm not saying that all of the $40-$80 VV/VW mods out there suck. What I am saying that if you really want to do this, definitely do your homework, because the quality control issues are all over the map. I decided to skip this issue entirely by just getting a Provari.
I purchased 4 various ego batteries with extra attys and cartridges a month ago that I no longer ever use, though all is not lost because I can use them as backups or give them to friends. I also have a Provape-1 that I will seldom use, not because it's not VV, but because it's unregulated, though I am thrilled to still have this as a mechanical backup. But in retrospect, I could have just skipped the Ego stage and saved a little time and money.
So just get a Provari. That's my 2p.
I really don't understand the "stage" thing unless one has already done it because they didn't know better, and then in hindsight can say 'yeah, that's how it happened'. Looking forward from here, there's no inherent reason anyone has to graduate from Blue to Volt to Ego to Lavatube to Provari or Zenesis iHybrid or whatever, spending money on each step of the journey.
If you can discern how you like to vape and what features you need, then go for the best device you can afford, or possibly beg, borrow or steal to get. I can see, for example, why VW might appeal to some people, but since I'm a one vape person, I only need a single, regulated voltage, and what the VV on the Provari does for me, essentially, is enable me to use use any Ohm resistance carto/tank/atty and adjust to that same vape. So I don't need anything else.
And not to come across as the proverbial Provari fanboi (though I have become one), but I've read so many reviews about the cheaper devices that work fine until the the button gets stuck, the cap threads get shredded, the finish corrodes or the circuitry shorts out. Or you read that the volt/Ohm readings aren't very accurate and the button action is inconsistent. Why bother cycling through all of these permutations until you end up splurging for the device you really wanted all along anyway?
And no, I'm not saying that all of the $40-$80 VV/VW mods out there suck. What I am saying that if you really want to do this, definitely do your homework, because the quality control issues are all over the map. I decided to skip this issue entirely by just getting a Provari.
I purchased 4 various ego batteries with extra attys and cartridges a month ago that I no longer ever use, though all is not lost because I can use them as backups or give them to friends. I also have a Provape-1 that I will seldom use, not because it's not VV, but because it's unregulated, though I am thrilled to still have this as a mechanical backup. But in retrospect, I could have just skipped the Ego stage and saved a little time and money.
So just get a Provari. That's my 2p.
I want to state that I am not hating on provari first of all(it is a well made vape)
Having said that I have read many threads on here where provari owners were having many of the same problems that the cheaper mods were having.
The things I don't like about provari is it has a really high price, and they still don't offer variable wattage.
The issues with buttons sticking on the vamo seem to be isolated to either a single batch of them, or certain retailers. Yes go with the V2 vamo for sure, it is what most retailers are carrying anyways.
In my book variable voltage and wattage are a great feature because as we all know, all juices aren't created equal. Some need just a little less or more power to fine tune the taste.
As I said I am beginning with the vision spinner, it will always be in my arsenal, however it would be nice to have a device like the vamo for all the extra features. If I could have afforded it and all my accessories and juices, I probably would have started there. I barely was able to afford what I first got though, and I am still waiting on my clearomozers to arrive(patience is not with me). There is no way I could afford a provari.
To each his/her own, and not everything is for everyone. If it works for you and keeps you off the analogs, you are doing great.
Thank you all for the replies. I understand models can vary (and then there are mods, oh my!), but I was asking more along the lines of VV vs standard 3.7. If you have experience between the two, which do you prefer and why? Not necessarily one version of VV over another.
I believe the consensus by a wide margin would be that variable volt devices are preferred over non-VV devices in pretty much all circumstances. It's typically a price-point analysis and whether you feel it's justified for what incremental pleasure you get out of it.
I'm currently enjoying Kanger T2s with the new aluminum tip with the low resistance heads on a 3.7V simple 18650 tube mod. If you don't get a VV you could get an all mechanical mod and then even if you were to drop it hard or submerge it, it should probably still function. Many mechanical mods seem to have the switch on the bottom which is not a preference for me. I'm actually more torn over the decision to get a bottom feeder or not more than a VV or not because convenience and lack of tinkering while vaping is something I'd like to have. So, durability and lack of expense would be what non-VV devices have going for them probably.
I'm currently enjoying Kanger T2s with the new aluminum tip with the low resistance heads on a 3.7V simple 18650 tube mod. If you don't get a VV you could get an all mechanical mod and then even if you were to drop it hard or submerge it, it should probably still function. Many mechanical mods seem to have the switch on the bottom which is not a preference for me. I'm actually more torn over the decision to get a bottom feeder or not more than a VV or not because convenience and lack of tinkering while vaping is something I'd like to have. So, durability and lack of expense would be what non-VV devices have going for them probably.
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