The problem with electronic cigarettes...

[Bob Chill]

I understand the op's point as well. There's a learning curve and an evolution to vaping. And everyone is different in what they "need" out of it. # of pulls is only part of the equation though. Nic content is equally as important. I very quickly went from 24 to 12 because I preferred to vape more to get the same nic. Most people find their sweet spot within a couple months. I've been at it for a year and the last 8 months have been a breeze.

Personally, I would want a device limiting my use as much as I want the FDA to wreck the market. Freedom of choice and preference of use is really important to each individual. Maybe a new vaper needs some help (or training wheels so to speak) but once a person hits their groove the habit is quite predictable and enjoyable.

 

[chellemmm]

Are you saying the negativity in the media stops smokers from switching over? Last i checked smoking has a pretty negative outlook in the media. You're right on the realism of juice helping smokers switch over but you've missed the overarching point too. Please do some research on how dopamine works and come back to me. here's a video to start you off:

Thank you for your condescension and your link. I am WELL AWARE of the mechanics involved with dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin and other hormones that effect human behavior. I was merely trying to suggest that your theory and "invention," are simplistic, at best.

Good luck with your theory. Have a nice life. Don't let your eGo hit you in your face.

 

[Singaw]

The point is to make it more similar to cigarettes not less.

I personally am quite happy that my PV is nothing like a cigarette, that's what got me to quit cigarettes in the first place. It is the differences that also keep me from picking up a cigarette again. If I really wanted a cigarette I would still be a smoker. Maybe what you are speaking of would help some people but from my perspective it would have made it unlikely I would have even started vaping.

 

[Vaslovik]

Personally, I would want a device limiting my use as much as I want the FDA to wreck the market. Freedom of choice and preference of use is really important to each individual. Maybe a new vaper needs some help (or training wheels so to speak) but once a person hits their groove the habit is quite predictable and enjoyable.

I'm with you there. I understand there are devices that will limit how much of a hit you can take from your PV, and I suppose there will be devices that will cut you off after so many vapes, and if some want those more power to them, but for my part I prefer making my own choices, and I vote with my money and my feet. This theory about dopamine and vaping just doesn't have the ring of truth to it to me, and sounds more like an assumption and a guess than anything. Even if it's true I can't see how it's a problem. I should think that the cigarettes we got off of by turning to vaping were the problem, and now it would seem some have to try and find a problem with the solution... much like the FDA and it's corporate handlers are doing.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

Isn't there a way to vape that has a beginning and an end already? I haven't read through all the posts save for the first page and I'm sure someone has suggested this, but just in case the haven't isn't there is already such a thing? It's dripping. The beginning is selecting the juice, and dripping onto the coil. The end is when you're done vaping those drips. Depending on you build or the disposable atty you're using, it can last for roughly the amount of time it takes to smoke a cigarette. It sets up a ritual with a beginning, middle and end.

 

[Vaslovik]

Here's a routine for people to try: choose a toke count that will satisfy you and always use it up to that number, turn your device on and off whenever you use it and keep it out of reach in the same place when not using it. In theory it should increase your satisfaction once you're used to the routine, i will be trying it myself.

Gosh, if you want to do that go ahead, I'm just not at all inclined to bother with that being that I'm quite happy vaping as I do already and my satisfaction would not be in the least enhanced with this practice. My vaping is quite simple now, and this would complicate it quite a bit. I'm not looking for ways to make it more complicated for reasons I cannot see the validity of.

 

[Vaslovik]

Isn't there a way to vape that has a beginning and an end already? I haven't read through all the posts save for the first page and I'm sure someone has suggested this, but just in case the haven't isn't there is already such a thing? It's dripping. The beginning is selecting the juice, and dripping onto the coil. The end is when you're done vaping those drips. Depending on you build or the disposable atty you're using, it can last for roughly the amount of time it takes to smoke a cigarette. It sets up a ritual with a beginning, middle and end.

Hey, I'd never thought of that. You make a very good point here! I'd give you a like for that, but the button is missing from some posts here, which causes me to wonder why that is. Perhaps because of the banners and sigs they have?

 

[Ryedan]

I'd give you a like for that, but the button is missing from some posts here, which causes me to wonder why that is. Perhaps because of the banners and sigs they have?

Refresh your screen Vaslovik and you should be able to like at will

 

[Bob Chill]

I'm with you there. I understand there are devices that will limit how much of a hit you can take from your PV, and I suppose there will be devices that will cut you off after so many vapes, and if some want those more power to them, but for my part I prefer making my own choices, and I vote with my money and my feet. This theory about dopamine and vaping just doesn't have the ring of truth to it to me, and sounds more like an assumption and a guess than anything. Even if it's true I can't see how it's a problem. I should think that the cigarettes we got off of by turning to vaping were the problem, and now it would seem some have to try and find a problem with the solution... much like the FDA and it's corporate handlers are doing.

We are quite similar. I'm very libertarian (the real kind - not the tea party "faux" crew). Life's too short and I could care less about dopamine, nic addiction, and all the other stuff. I made my choice and I'll live with the consequences (if any). Smoking was worrisome. Vaping is not. If people want to smoke then that's fine. If people want to vape. That's fine too. If someone wants to live life completely without vice then by all means enjoy that life. I'm quite tired of decisions being forced on myself and how to run my family. I will always be opposed to decisions by force or control. It doesn't fit my dna.

 

[Vaslovik]

Refresh your screen Vaslovik and you should be able to like at will

Aha! Thanks, that works

 

[olie]

I personally am quite happy that my PV is nothing like a cigarette, that's what got me to quit cigarettes in the first place. It is the differences that also keep me from picking up a cigarette again. If I really wanted a cigarette I would still be a smoker. Maybe what you are speaking of would help some people but from my perspective it would have made it unlikely I would have even started vaping.

Similar to cigarettes in the habitual element.

 

[olie]

Thank you for your condescension and your link. I am WELL AWARE of the mechanics involved with dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin and other hormones that effect human behavior. I was merely trying to suggest that your theory and "invention," are simplistic, at best.

Good luck with your theory. Have a nice life. Don't let your eGo hit you in your face.

As you can imagine i was quite frustrated due to the way people responded to this thread and having to explain myself several times. Simplistic can be effective sometimes. Sorry again have a nice day

 

[Vaslovik]

Similar to cigarettes in the habitual element.

I'll hazard a guess that's this is your whole problem with them and the real reason for your post. As Mark Twain observed, "Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits."

 

[Bob Chill]

Similar to cigarettes in the habitual element.

Yes, and that is exactly why it's the most effective method of reducing or removing cigarettes from a person's life. But there are stark differences beyond that.

The hobby aspect is quite enjoyable. The variety of flavors and styles of vaping is quite enjoyable as well. Cigarettes have zero in the hobby and variety department.

 

[pauly walnuts]

I am another person who is happy my vape device is nothing like a cigarette or a cell phone. While I always appreciate forward thinking and innovation, this is a fix for something that is not broken.

 

[olie]

Gosh, if you want to do that go ahead, I'm just not at all inclined to bother with that being that I'm quite happy vaping as I do already and my satisfaction would not be in the least enhanced with this practice. My vaping is quite simple now, and this would complicate it quite a bit. I'm not looking for ways to make it more complicated for reasons I cannot see the validity of.

That sounds good for you, try to consider others though. For some it isn't satisfying them, i'm trying to offer a solution. Please point out where you think my idea is invalid, thank you.

 

[Vaslovik]

That sounds good for you, try to consider others though.

Consider others? I'll leave their decisions to them. Have they complained to you such that you felt compelled to invent a solution for them? I've heard nothing of this problem until you posted about it. Seems like you are unique in this dissatisfaction.

 

[Vermiform]

When I started vaping I could have benefited from a device like you are talking about.

 

[Vaslovik]

When I started vaping I could have benefited from a device like you are talking about.

Interesting, how could you have benefited?

 

[olie]

Here's an simile to what i'm saying

If cigarettes are like cooking then eating a pizza.

vaping is like eating a pre cooked pizza that is always in arms reach that regenerates after each bite for a few hours.

For some i could see your visceral emotional response with not having an infinite pizza anymore but for others miss the waiting for the pizza to cook (waiting for when they feel they need a cigarette rather than vaping throughout the day randomly) cutting the pizza into sections, taking the first bite and being able to finish the pizza and feel that "ahhh" feeling.