Yup. Just read that myself. And who's gonna survive this? Not the little guys, that's for damn sure.
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Yup. Just read that myself. And who's gonna survive this? Not the little guys, that's for damn sure.
Maybe it's a good day for my power to keep going out. Someone hit a power pole down the street from me.
Anyways, section viii is on ecigs and starts on page 204. From what I've seen/heard so far, this doesn't look good.
Anyways, section viii is on ecigs and starts on page 204. From what I've seen/heard so far, this doesn't look good.
I had to stop reading
I can't take any more "For The Children" BS.
Teens Vaping keeps raising and Teens Smoking Keeps falling
So we need to stop them from Vaping to protect them from Smoking.
This is a big WIN for Tobacco & Pharma
Chicago does most stuff "for the children". At one point, before the public use ban, they wanted to ban the sale of cigalikes at bars. Why are children at bars? Maybe adults should get off their smartphones and watch their damn children and quit making them the government's responsibility.
I agree about the long term effects, but honestly, we know this is all packaged in a pretty bow of bull
. All BT had to do was put a warning label on their box of cancer sticks, pay off a few families of dead relatives for their deceptive lies and all's normal for them to continue to sell what EVERYONE knows is a killer.Becuz vaping has severely cut into their fat, wad pocket books, they did everything/anything they could to squash vaping UNLESS its THEIR products still on the market. I'm so happy our government/congress and the like is "for the people, by the people" Should be changed to "for corporations with w/the money to wine and dine and pay off" SMH
Chicago does most stuff "for the children". At one point, before the public use ban, they wanted to ban the sale of cigalikes at bars. Why are children at bars? Maybe adults should get off their smartphones and watch their damn children and quit making them the government's responsibility.
It's not about the children. That's a bait and switch to get people on board against it. Follow the money, that's ALWAYS the answer. That's why you never see in the news recent studies on GMO foods/Monsanto seeds. HUGE tumors in rats, pig intestines completely fried, but that's ok to FEED the kids this stuff. But hey, it's big money so let's keep that on the down low.
I gotta figure out when I need to stock up on Nic. Could be 2 years out, but it's kind of buried in the 499 pages...
I predict a few things - though it's all, of course, conjecture - that deeming is totally vague.
- The blossoming ecig economy will slow, as the only advertised or easily available products will be from tobacco companies - they will
a) suck
b) cost a fortune
c) still lead people to try vaping, look for better, come here, and then buy online from China
- We're going to see the death of vape shops
- No more U.S. mod innovation
- Juice will be black market, or disguised as other products, with many of the best/safest vendors going under
- Not sure what happens with Nic for DIY - perhaps the price doubles
- 2 or 3 years out, we'll see another fiasco as it becomes obvious that vape gear is being mailed from China and they consider (or attempt) screening out a million packages a month
I predict a few things - though it's all, of course, conjecture - that deeming is totally vague.
- The blossoming ecig economy will slow, as the only advertised or easily available products will be from tobacco companies - they will
a) suck
b) cost a fortune
c) still lead people to try vaping, look for better, come here, and then buy online from China
- We're going to see the death of vape shops
- No more U.S. mod innovation
- Juice will be black market, or disguised as other products, with many of the best/safest vendors going under
- Not sure what happens with Nic for DIY - perhaps the price doubles
- 2 or 3 years out, we'll see another fiasco as it becomes obvious that vape gear is being mailed from China and they consider (or attempt) screening out a million packages a month
@ENAUD Could you check my math?
I figure I need 13 liters of Nic. I have 3 now.
60 mils a week, for 25 years. Juice will be 15mg. I will buy 100mg NIC in liter jugs.
Half my Provaris and all my Kayfuns are going in a box till needed.
I figure I need 13 liters of Nic. I have 3 now.
60 mils a week, for 25 years. Juice will be 15mg. I will buy 100mg NIC in liter jugs.
Half my Provaris and all my Kayfuns are going in a box till needed.
You need roughly 1/2 liter per year, so yes, 13 liters should be about a 25 year supply. That is , if it keeps that long, and barring any unforeseen circumstances, and trace losses due to wasted material from the process of handling, measuring and mixing.@ENAUD Could you check my math?
I figure I need 13 liters of Nic. I have 3 now.
60 mils a week, for 25 years. Juice will be 15mg. I will buy 100mg NIC in liter jugs.
Half my Provaris and all my Kayfuns are going in a box till needed.
Also, as vendors close shop and revenue from advertising dries up, vape forums disappear because of lack of funding to pay for the server space...
A Billions Lives comment,
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Yes, it's true. A lobbyist for Nicorette gum banned a technology that helped millions quit smoking.
Flavored Nicotine Gum
IT"S FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!
@ABillionLives 2h
Yes, it's true. A lobbyist for Nicorette gum banned a technology that helped millions quit smoking.
Flavored Nicotine Gum
IT"S FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!
I am in a bit of a different situation as I only vape 4-5ml a day at 5-6mg. So my math is just for comparative purposes for other folks and I used an average of 5ml a day at 5mg NIC .....@ENAUD Could you check my math?
I figure I need 13 liters of Nic. I have 3 now.
60 mils a week, for 25 years. Juice will be 15mg. I will buy 100mg NIC in liter jugs.
Half my Provaris and all my Kayfuns are going in a box till needed.
5ml a day @ 5mg NIC = 25mg NIC/day.
1 litre @ 100mg NIC = 100000 NIC
100000ml/100mg NIC / 25mg / 365 days = 10.95 YEARS per litre of 100mg NIC.
I have 2 litres in the freezer and will likely buy 1-2 more. I am only 47, but don't really worry myself about where will be sourcing NIC from in my golden years. I am considering adding more NIC only as I anticipate my wife will be vaping full time in the near future.
In any case, unless buying NIC is outlawed in Canada/US or supply/availability is bad, I won't be buying more NIC likely until winter or next year. It's not about the $200 for 2 litres, I just think people are getting caught in the "sky is falling" mentality.
P.s... Dude, just remember that 13l litres is physically a lot of NIC to freeze. Think about freezing more than 24 pint sized cans of beer or a dozen 40oz bottles of Colt .45 (sorry, feeling gangsta). My wife would kill me even if she vaped full time! LOL@ENAUD Could you check my math?
I figure I need 13 liters of Nic. I have 3 now.
60 mils a week, for 25 years. Juice will be 15mg. I will buy 100mg NIC in liter jugs.
Half my Provaris and all my Kayfuns are going in a box till needed.
I have a side by side in the garage. One side for beer, the other for frosty mugs. Half the mugs will come out.
Also I'm in a different situation........
We don't cook, our indoor freezer is empty, Might be some ice packs and a loaf of bread in it , if I look.
Meh. Not for us and there is lots of time to stock up IMO. People will be hoarding NIC, coils, mods and tanks this week/month, but I don't see a NIC shortage any time soon.
Having said that, if your favourite ADV juice is from your local B&M, I would suggest getting the recipe or fully expect that you'll be hooped within 1-2 years.
My ONLY worry honestly? Aspire coils. Without Nautilus and Tritons, all 7 of my Kabukis and Super Tanks are just cute little paperweights. I'm sure someone will get creative with a working RBA or I will learn to rebuild Aspire ones though. I have about a 2 year supply of coils and I WILL be buying more of those for sure!
I don't like kiddy flavored juice...
I want mine to taste like ask!!!
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You had me at one SIDE FOR BEER! My kinda guy!I have a side by side in the garage. One side for beer, the other for frosty mugs. Half the mugs will come out.
Also I'm in a different situation........
We don't cook, our indoor freezer is empty, Might be some ice packs and a loaf of bread in it , if I look.
That's the main reason I didn't get too vested in the Kabuki. I think Zen was overly optimistic in his disposable coil only direction with it, and I for one felt that this is exactly how the FDA was going to deal with us. I've already started using my Genesis atties again, and going forward I'm probably going to save my disposable coils for an out and about rig, and for when we travel. I can get by with my rebuildable atties for the most part, and will certainly add some more coils to the stock pile. My fear is that there are going to be massive runs on the market when the gravity of this really sinks in. Maybe some vendors will be smart and implement max purchase quantities on some stuff so more people get a fair shot at keeping themselves supplied.
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