The randomness of e-cig

[rambo]

From wikipedia:

In May 2009, the Food and Drug Administration (USFDA) Division of Pharmaceutical Analysis tested the contents of 19 varieties of electronic cigarette cartridges produced by two vendors (njoy and Smoking Everywhere)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_cigarette#cite_note-Zezima-6. Diethylene glycol was detected in one of the cartridges manufactured by Smoking Everywhere. In addition, tobacco-specific nitrosamines (TSNAs), known cancer-causing agents, were detected in all of the cartridges from one brand and two of the cartridges from the other brand. The study found that the actual nicotine levels did not always correspond to the amount of nicotine the cartridges purported to contain. The analysis found traces of nicotine in some cartridges that claimed to be nicotine-free.

So to sum:

1. All e-juices/e-cigs aren't free from cancer causing agents.
2. "Nicotine free" e-juices can have nicotine.
3. Nicotine levels might be random and not what is advertised.

There's more and more brands and manufacturers coming to the business and you never know for sure what you inhale.

The thing that bugs me most is that I'm planning to buy nicotine free e-cigs for weekend use, but now it looks that I might end up inhaling nicotine juice after all

I hope that there will be some big e-juice manufacturers in Europe in the future whose e-juices are fully tested and don't include any surprises. China stuff scares me a bit.

 

[Sassyonemeis]

*shrugs* ANYONE can post ANYTHING to wikipedia

 

[Valsacar]

So to sum:

1. All e-juices/e-cigs aren't free from cancer causing agents.
2. "Nicotine free" e-juices can have nicotine.
3. Nicotine levels might be random and not what is advertised.

Let me re-word for you:

1. All e-juices/e-cigs aren't free from cancer causing agents, they exist in minute traces that are considered safe by the FDA.
2. Poor quality control by companies can lead to e-juices having nicotine when they are advertised as being "nicotine free".
3. Poor quality control by companies can lead to e-juices having more or less nicotine than advertised.

 

[rambo]

Source for wiki article: http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/ScienceResearch/UCM173250.pdf and NY Times Advertisement

 

[rambo]

Poor quality control

Exactly. But when companies like Njoy and Smoking Everywhere have this problem, you can only imagine how things are elswhere. Not to mention the random Chinese e-juice sellers.

 

[ShannonA]

you're sounding like an alarmist a little bit. If I come across across any conclusive evidence that I'm not better off vaping than smoking I'll start to worry.

 

[rambo]

From the information we got now, of course vaping is safer. Vaping will be always safer when it comes to the substances that will go to your system when using e-cigs vs analogs. Only debeate I would guess is that if vape is worse to your lungs than smoke and how the lungs behave to the vape. There are lot of people reporting chest pains and other lung problems when using e-cigs after all.

 

[Kent C]

From the information we got now, of course vaping is safer. Vaping will be always safer when it comes to the substances that will go to your system when using e-cigs vs analogs. Only debeate I would guess is that if vape is worse to your lungs than smoke and how the lungs behave to the vape. There are lot of people reporting chest pains and other lung problems when using e-cigs after all.

Ecigs aren't for everyone. Perhaps you're in the group.

John J. Rambo: Live for nothing, or die for something.

 

[ShannonA]

From the information we got now, of course vaping is safer. Vaping will be always safer when it comes to the substances that will go to your system when using e-cigs vs analogs. Only debeate I would guess is that if vape is worse to your lungs than smoke and how the lungs behave to the vape. There are lot of people reporting chest pains and other lung problems when using e-cigs after all.

E-cigs cause chest pains... too much nicotine? That might be the one thing that bugs me about these. There needs to be some regulating of how much nicotine can be concentrated in the juice I think since it's a stimulant.

 

[Valsacar]

Exactly. But when companies like Njoy and Smoking Everywhere have this problem, you can only imagine how things are elswhere. Not to mention the random Chinese e-juice sellers.

You mean large companies that care nothing about their customers and only wish to make a quick buck? Compared to a small company that needs the trust and support of their customers to put food on their tables? I'll go with the small company, thanks.

From the information we got now, of course vaping is safer. Vaping will be always safer when it comes to the substances that will go to your system when using e-cigs vs analogs. Only debeate I would guess is that if vape is worse to your lungs than smoke and how the lungs behave to the vape. There are lot of people reporting chest pains and other lung problems when using e-cigs after all.

Your proof showing a casual link between these chest pains and lung disease to e-cig use?

 

[rambo]

Ecigs aren't for everyone. Perhaps you're in the group.

I know. I haven't used one yet myself.

Analogs are for everyone. They will probably kill you in a long run, but I haven't met anyone who couldn't start smoking analogs if wanted.

E-cigs aren't for everyone. Some people can't even start using them because of the symptoms they get. Seem to be no effect if you are first time smoker or ex analog user.

That is a bit wierd to me.

 

[rambo]

You mean large companies that care nothing about their customers and only wish to make a quick buck? Compared to a small company that needs the trust and support of their customers to put food on their tables? I'll go with the small company, thanks.

There is no proof that small companies e-liquids are what they are told to be, but there is proof that large companies e-liquids aren't exactly what they are told to be. I don't believe in a 'guess' that small sellers order they e-juice from more reliable manufacturers that have higher standards and quality control than the ones big companies use.

Your proof showing a casual link between these chest pains and lung disease to e-cig use?

Well there's a lot posts complaining about chest pains in this forum's medical section alone.

 

[ShannonA]

I know. I haven't used one yet myself.

Analogs are for everyone. They will probably kill you in a long run, but I haven't met anyone who couldn't start smoking analogs if wanted.

E-cigs aren't for everyone. Some people can't even start using them because of the symptoms they get. Seem to be no effect if you are first time smokers or ex analog users.

That is a bit wierd to me.

What symptoms that they get? Not sure what you were saying in the 2nd sentence. I do remember the 1st time I tried a smoke I darn near coughed up one of my lungs (*makes you wonder why I went back for more makes me wonder too).

My opinion is if you don't smoke don't start vaping. What's the sense in doing it to get an addiction? No sense in starting to smoke either.

 

[Valsacar]

There is no proof that small companies e-liquids are what they are told to be, but there is proof that large companies e-liquids aren't exactly what they are told to be. I don't believe in a 'guess' that small sellers order they e-juice from more reliable manufacturers that have higher standards and quality control than the ones big companies use.

FSUSA has conducted (or is conducting) analysis of their juices (hired a private company to do so).

Well there's a lot posts complaining about chest pains in this forum's medical section alone.

I wouldn't say lots of complaints, but sure there are complaints but nothing proving a casual link. People like to try and blame things on something, which is easy to do. It's not uncommon to blame your new symptoms on something that you changed recently, but that does not actually prove a casual link.

Some people have symptoms if they are allergic to PG, use VG instead. Some people find the hit to their throat too high (or not high enough), again change what you use. Some people find they get sore/dry throats from vaping, drink more water as PG/VG can dry out your throat.

 

[melloyello]

Son, i am dissapoint! the Op could have at least masked his intentions little better.....

 

[melloyello]

FSUSA has conducted (or is conducting) analysis of their juices (hired a private company to do so).



I wouldn't say lots of complaints, but sure there are complaints but nothing proving a casual link. People like to try and blame things on something, which is easy to do. It's not uncommon to blame your new symptoms on something that you changed recently, but that does not actually prove a casual link.

Some people have symptoms if they are allergic to PG, use VG instead. Some people find the hit to their throat too high (or not high enough), again change what you use. Some people find they get sore/dry throats from vaping, drink more water as PG/VG can dry out your throat.

dont feed the troll...

 

[Valsacar]

dont feed the troll...

But he looks so hungry...

 

[rambo]

FSUSA has conducted (or is conducting) analysis of their juices (hired a private company to do so).

Great. This is what I wan't to see all companies to do.

I wouldn't say lots of complaints, but sure there are complaints but nothing proving a casual link. People like to try and blame things on something, which is easy to do. It's not uncommon to blame your new symptoms on something that you changed recently, but that does not actually prove a casual link.

Some people have symptoms if they are allergic to PG, use VG instead. Some people find the hit to their throat too high (or not high enough), again change what you use. Some people find they get sore/dry throats from vaping, drink more water as PG/VG can dry out your throat.

There are cases where it's pretty clear that vaping causes the chest pains (people stopping using for few days and then starting again, or going to analogs and back to vaping).

I know about the PG and VG differences.

 

[rambo]

dont feed the troll...

I'm troll because I care about the safety of vaping and profide facts to prove my point?

 

[Kent C]

I'm troll because I care about the safety of vaping and profide facts to prove my point?

It's called a 'concern troll' - look it up.