The randomness of e-cig

[Valsacar]

There are cases where it's pretty clear that vaping causes the chest pains (people stopping using for few days and then starting again, or going to analogs and back to vaping).

I have (recently diagnosed) eczema, my house (moving in October) is old and has some mold that causes me to break out in a terriblely itchy rash. If I leave my house for a few days it goes away.

Is my house causing my rash? No. Is the mold causing my rash? No, indirectly it is. It is my eczema that causes the rash, the mold triggers it, the house just happens to be where the mold is.

E-cigs, just like everything else, work just like that. They may be the carrier (as my house is) or the trigger (as the mold is) without actually being the cause.

Years of smoking causes a lot of damage, and keeps your lungs pretty damaged. As they start to repair and reactivate (due to lack of inhaling smoke) many things can happen. Most of us go through a period of coughing and expelling large amounts of phlegm. But these are the same symptoms of quitting smoking in any manner.

 

[ShannonA]

I'm troll because I care about the safety of vaping and profide facts to prove my point?

I'm concerned for your ability to reason lecturing former smokers on the safety of vaping... just sayin

 

[rambo]

It's called a 'concern troll' - look it up.

I wan't nicotine free e-cigs and I found out that only test that is done regarding to e-juices shows that there isn't such a thing as nicotine free e-juice. Being concerned about this information is trolling? Wow.

 

[TinyTimberGal]

One suggestion for anyone worried about juice ingredients/additives.... DIY

 

[Valsacar]

I wan't nicotine free e-cigs and I found out that only test that is done regarding to e-juices shows that there isn't such a thing as nicotine free e-juice. Being concerned about this information is trolling? Wow.

You might want to do some more research then, as there have been numerous studies on both juice and vapor. CASAA.org has links to many of these studies.

 

[rambo]

I have (recently diagnosed) eczema, my house (moving in October) is old and has some mold that causes me to break out in a terriblely itchy rash. If I leave my house for a few days it goes away.

Is my house causing my rash? No. Is the mold causing my rash? No, indirectly it is. It is my eczema that causes the rash, the mold triggers it, the house just happens to be where the mold is.

E-cigs, just like everything else, work just like that. They may be the carrier (as my house is) or the trigger (as the mold is) without actually being the cause.

Years of smoking causes a lot of damage, and keeps your lungs pretty damaged. As they start to repair and reactivate (due to lack of inhaling smoke) many things can happen. Most of us go through a period of coughing and expelling large amounts of phlegm. But these are the same symptoms of quitting smoking in any manner.

I agree with you. This all danger to person x was not even meant to be in this topic. I was worried about the sustances in the e-liquids.

 

[rambo]

You might want to do some more research then, as there have been numerous studies on both juice and vapor. CASSA.org has links to many of these studies.

Ok I will look in to that.

 

[rambo]

That CASSA.org isn't working...

 

[Valsacar]

I agree with you. This all danger to person x was not even meant to be in this topic. I was worried about the sustances in the e-liquids.

PG and VG have been proven safe to inhale for quite a long time, as has nicotine (within limits of course). The question should be on the flavorings, some of which are safe to inhale and others may not be. So far all of my own research has not found anything that is in those flavorings that is at toxic levels (Note to everyone, many probably know which specifically I'm speaking about and let's NOT turn this into an argument about that).

Always remember the rule of toxicity, it's not the chemical but the quantity that is toxic (look at nicotine and caffeine, both are toxic in high doses).

 

[sherid]

If you are concerned about the safety of e cigs, you should not use them.

 

[Valsacar]

That CASSA.org isn't working...

Oopps, typo. It's CASAA.org

 

[DeaRae]

Debunking the FDA "study" - How and Why The FDA Misled The Public

Here are a few of the media head lines after the FDA press release on electronic cigarettes yesterday:
* Electronic cigarettes unsafe, linked to cancer – NOT TRUE – no cases or examples of electronic cigarettes causing cancer exist
* Health officials in the nation have said that the testing of two leading e-cigarette brands has shown that they contain cancer causing chemicals and other toxins, including a major compound used in antifreeze. – NOT TRUE – one cartridge from one company had diethylene glycol (DEG) in it, which is found in antifreeze
* FDA: E-cigarettes are as dangerous as tobacco cigarettes – NOT TRUE – this is crazy

Here is what they actually found:
* Out of 18 cartridges, 1 had diethylene glycol (DEG) in it at less than 1%. One.
* Tobacco specific nitrosamines (TSNA) and tobacco specific impurities were detected in both products at very low levels (taken from the FDA Electronic Cigarette Evaluation conclusion). Makes sense if the nicotine was taken from tobacco. Many FDA approved NRTs have Tobacco specific nitrosamines in them. Also, not all the samples contained TSNA.
* Since 100% of tobacco cigarettes contain multiple carcinogens and only 50% of the electronic cigarette cartridges tested contained detectable levels of carcinogens (and even then it was at “very low levels” according to the report), what is the FDA saying about it’s relative safety compared to tobacco cigarettes.

Here is what they did:
* They received the electronic cigarette test results back on May 4th, 2009.
* They postponed a scheduled press conference from May 5th, 2009 to July 23rd, 2009 at which time they released their findings.
* They tested 14 cartridges from Smoking Everywhere (including zero nicotine) and 4 from Njoy, but didn’t test zero nicotine from Njoy. The FDA has been sued by both these companies.
* They used the Nicotrol Inhaler as a “control” but didn’t test it for anything except nicotine.​

 

[Pissy]

Perhaps you should go to the "analog" forum and post some concerns there...

 

[MickeyRat]

Lessee...Suppose a large toy company found that a Chinese manufacturer was using lead paint in their toys. By your reasoning that means we should let kids play with toys we know are more dangerous because we don't know for sure what's in the supposedly safe toys. The company was Mattel BTW and it wasn't just in a few toys.

It is valid to say that that even though the ingredients in juice are generally regarded as safe, the long term effects of using them this way are not known. It's completely valid to say that, if you don't smoke, you shouldn't use a PV and if you look you will find threads where people on this forum say exactly that to people that are thinking about it. None of that means that, if you are using cigarettes, you should continue with them rather than use a PV.

 

[tonyorion]

First of all, there is a massive amount of misinformation out there regarding concentration: in and of itself, the number is meaningless. It only is relevant if you multiply it by the amount of e juice you use in a day. The OP should at least take the time to inform him/herself before immediately jumping on the regulation bandwagon.

There are many vendors who sell zero nic juices; in fact, it is in his interest to sell you zero nic juice for the same price as a high concentration of juice since nicotine is generally the most expensive component of e juice.

The only person who controls the amount of nicotine intake is the user. Of course, you need accurate information regarding the concentration. If you do not trust the supplier, then blend your own juice.

This is truly a cottage industry: all you need is a few bottles of easily available ingredients (PG, VG, Flavoring, Alcohol, Nicotine, Sweetener), a semi accurate measuring device like a cup, and a bowl to mix the stuff. Even if you banned OTC nicotine sales, the chemistry of making it is not that hard. The rest of the stuff can be had at a WalMart, HobbyLobby, or Tractor Supply. How do you propose to enforce regulation??????

We cannot control illicit drugs in this country; the effort has been a monumental and catastrophic failure. What makes the OP think that you can control this industry? Regulation of this industry would be an unmitigated nightmare.

Moreover, just as the corner merchant cannot control the number of analogs and the amount of alcohol you consume, the vendor can not control how much you vape/day.

It is not up to him or the government to hold your hand.

 

[player30]

Amen, amen & amen. Self responsibility & self freedom.

First of all, there is a massive amount of misinformation out there regarding concentration: in and of itself, the number is meaningless. It only is relevant if you multiply it by the amount of e juice you use in a day. The OP should at least take the time to inform him/herself before immediately jumping on the regulation bandwagon.

There are many vendors who sell zero nic juices; in fact, it is in his interest to sell you zero nic juice for the same price as a high concentration of juice since nicotine is generally the most expensive component of e juice.

The only person who controls the amount of nicotine intake is the user. Of course, you need accurate information regarding the concentration. If you do not trust the supplier, then blend your own juice.

This is truly a cottage industry: all you need is a few bottles of easily available ingredients (PG, VG, Flavoring, Alcohol, Nicotine, Sweetener), a semi accurate measuring device like a cup, and a bowl to mix the stuff. Even if you banned OTC nicotine sales, the chemistry of making it is not that hard. The rest of the stuff can be had at a WalMart, HobbyLobby, or Tractor Supply. How do you propose to enforce regulation??????

We cannot control illicit drugs in this country; the effort has been a monumental and catastrophic failure. What makes the OP think that you can control this industry? Regulation of this industry would be an unmitigated nightmare.

Moreover, just as the corner merchant cannot control the number of analogs and the amount of alcohol you consume, the vendor can not control how much you vape/day.

It is not up to him or the government to hold your hand.