The role of mod in taste

[werther]

Hi all,
I am new to this e-cig world and currently in the stage where I get confused easily in this ocean of information.
Can someone plz. briefly explain to me the role of mod (battery / apv) in the taste a vaper gets.

E.g. let's say that I am happy with the taste I am getting in a setup like this: 3.7 v ego battery 650 mAh, kanger evod bcc atomizer, 1.8 ohm coil head, %80 VG juice. What would an evic battery or a provari do to improve the taste I am getting and earn the dollars I'd spent on such a battery.

If I am happy with fixed 3.7 v, if my single atomizer coils do not require more power, if I am satisfied with the time my battery lasts, and if I am ok with the warmth and intensity of my vapor, is there any reason to upgrade my battery? I would just go and try other systems (carto-tanks, dripping, etc.) and other tanks as long as they fit on an ego/510 connection and do not require higher voltage.

I respect the will to explore further, try, discover, and benefit from technological advances, spend money for better devices, etc., however, I just want to know if I am thinking straight in this matter, because I see newbies like myself chasing evics and provaris, and thinking if I'm skipping something important.

Thanks for your time.

 

[Richard Jacobs]

If you're happy with what you got, why change? My two cents, I'm just a newbie myself [emoji6]


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[gatorguy]

Hi all,
I am new to this e-cig world and currently in the stage where I get confused easily in this ocean of information.
Can someone plz. briefly explain to me the role of mod (battery / apv) in the taste a vaper gets.

E.g. let's say that I am happy with the taste I am getting in a setup like this: 3.7 v ego battery 650 mAh, kanger evod bcc atomizer, 1.8 ohm coil head, %80 VG juice. What would an evic battery or a provari do to improve the taste I am getting and earn the dollars I'd spent on such a battery.

If I am happy with fixed 3.7 v, if my single atomizer coils do not require more power, if I am satisfied with the time my battery lasts, and if I am ok with the warmth and intensity of my vapor, is there any reason to upgrade my battery? I would just go and try other systems (carto-tanks, dripping, etc.) and other tanks as long as they fit on an ego/510 connection and do not require higher voltage.

I respect the will to explore further, try, discover, and benefit from technological advances, spend money for better devices, etc., however, I just want to know if I am thinking straight in this matter, because I see newbies like myself chasing evics and provaris, and thinking if I'm skipping something important.

Thanks for your time.

I'm in the same boat. I love my simple setup and have no intention of changing!

 

[LJFinFLA]

No reason to change if your not smoking!

 

[jaxgator]

No reason to change if your not smoking!

Exactly! Whatever works for you in keeping you of the analogs.

That said, I own 3 Provaris, an eVic Supreme, an authentic V3 Flip and a Nemesis clone and getting a WAEII delivered today.

 

[Stosh]

The battery doesn't make a huge difference in taste. The voltage provided can, as the battery charge is used up the voltage will drop slightly and you might have to hold the fire button a second longer to get the same heat. Not a major concern.

Some more advanced setups are designed to keep the voltage exactly the same over the charge of the battery, some vapers like this. Some advanced setups give you control of the voltage, up or down to use them with different resistance cartos, if you know what resistance you like not a major concern.

What got me into advanced setups, in the bigger battery mods the charge will last longer, more mah = more hours without a re-charge. If you have a charger available and enough batteries to swap out, not a major concern.

Bottom line use whatever gives YOU the best vape!!

 

[tj99959]

When thinking of upgrading the PV, think about what is lacking with the one you are using. Is it consistency? Is it battery life? Is it looks? What are you trying to make better? If you can't think of anything that needs to be made better, there is no reason to change.

I was only looking for one thing when I upgraded from my old eGo, and that was self reliance. When I first started vaping the FDA was involved in a lawsuit, customs was seizing shipments of vape supplies, and the end of vaping was looming over our heads. So I was looking for a PV that would still work after hell froze over, and that meant one that I wouldn't have to replace just because a battery wouldn't hold a charge anymore.

 

[werther]

Thank you all for your comments.
And thanks Stosh, just the answer I was looking for.

When I started vaping, I watched hours of youtube reviews of mods, tanks and juices out of curiosity, and I saw that one of the most popular e-cig reviewers, IndoorSmokers, commenting in front of a cabinet with maybe a hundred mods, tanks and juices on its shelves, said that his favorite tank is the Kanger mini protank II. In his other videos, I saw him testing batteries and juices with that mini tank attached to the most expensive mods in the market (as far as I know) such as evic, provari, innokin iTaste 134, etc. I thought how about I just get that tank and fill it with my favorite juice; specs say that my starter kit battery would suffice.

That's why I opened this thread, wondering the role of battery in "taste" and looking for a reason to upgrade.

And jaxgator; just wow!

 

[werther]

When thinking of upgrading the PV, think about what is lacking with the one you are using. Is it consistency? Is it battery life? Is it looks? What are you trying to make better? If you can't think of anything that needs to be made better, there is no reason to change.

I was only looking for one thing when I upgraded from my old eGo, and that was self reliance. When I first started vaping the FDA was involved in a lawsuit, customs was seizing shipments of vape supplies, and the end of vaping was looming over our heads. So I was looking for a PV that would still work after hell froze over, and that meant one that I wouldn't have to replace just because a battery wouldn't hold a charge anymore.

That would be a good reason to upgrade, even buy a few like jaxgator did, because here in Turkey, the equivalent of FDA never made it legal to sell any vaping equipment, materials, etc. and we still supply such stuff from a couple of distributors on the net, forums, etc. There are rumors that it will become legal in a few years, so we will be able to buy devices with at least some limited warranty and not have to hope that customs do not hold our tiny shipments from Hong Kong.

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

Thank you all for your comments.
And thanks Stosh, just the answer I was looking for.

When I started vaping, I watched hours of youtube reviews of mods, tanks and juices out of curiosity, and I saw that one of the most popular e-cig reviewers, IndoorSmokers, commenting in front of a cabinet with maybe a hundred mods, tanks and juices on its shelves, said that his favorite tank is the Kanger mini protank II. In his other videos, I saw him testing batteries and juices with that mini tank attached to the most expensive mods in the market (as far as I know) such as evic, provari, innokin iTaste 134, etc. I thought how about I just get that tank and fill it with my favorite juice; specs say that my starter kit battery would suffice.

That's why I opened this thread, wondering the role of battery in "taste" and looking for a reason to upgrade.

And jaxgator; just wow!

to Stosh's post too!

From my limited experience, I find that some flavors are affected by the 'power' of the battery.

For example, my bananas foster and strawberry milkshake like 7.0 watts, and coffee and cinnamon roll mix peak at 7.5.

After a month or so, I decided that I wanted to upgrade my starter battery setup (2 650 ego types).

I also had learned about variable power and added that to my wish-list of features.

My research to find cost effective variable volts and/or wattage options led me to the Innokin MVP 2.0 ($40) and the vv 3 ($26).

The vv3 is in the same price range as a ego twist (or similar), and the MVP has everything the vv has, but enhanced by the 2600 mah battery. The bonus for the MVP is that I could do an emergency charge my cell in case I got careless in Manhattan yet again! (2 times wasn't enough to learn my lesson )

With the MVP 2.0 in the $40-50 range, it fell squarely into my definition of cost effective.

Bottom line was finding 2 products that provide for the optimal power to the juice in the tank (also a PT2 mini and mt3s)

Sidebar: 101vapes for the $26 vv, and Mt. Baker Vapor for the MVP at a net cost of $44*

(*$60-10%-$10 value of 2 free juices + free ship)

And now I'm saving my for 1 more of each - backups for the backups, plus I love having 3-4 flavors always at hand D:

 

[jaxgator]

And jaxgator; just wow!

Well, this has sort of turned into a hobby for me at this point. Just so you know, I didn't buy all those at once. Plus, I had a reason for my upgrades. First and foremost was what Stosh said. I wanted removable batteries and I wanted longer battery life. this lead me to my first Provari. I chose the Provari based on reviews here and elsewhere on the build quality and durability of the Provari. I was hesitant at first to drop that much coin for a mod but after receiving my first one, I was flat out impressed and felt it was worth every penny.

In the evenings at home, I like to switch up flavors quite a lot. I got tired of having to remove one RTA and replace it with another just to change flavors, so I purchased the other two and topped them with RTAs with different flavors that I like. Now, when I want to switch flavors, I just grab a different mod. Easy peasy.

I wanted to try some light sub-ohming but didn't feel confident enough with battery safety to buy a mechanical mod so I purchased the eVic 30w that could fire coils down to .5Ω. I currently have a Plume Veil RDA on it @ .7Ω and it is awesome in flavor and vapor production.

The WAEII was purchased because I wanted another 30w regulated mod and it is a perfect match for the Erlkonigin I recently purchased. I'm sure it will see other RTAs on it as well.

Best of luck to you in your vaping journey.

 

[dannyrl]

I think the mod's ability to deliver a consistent current would be the biggest factor in one mod "giving a better taste" than another.

For example, I've been vaping "cheap" devices since I started vaping. Stuff like eGos, MVPs, mech clones. I would assume that since these devices are cheap, the components responsible for delivering the current aren't super high quality and so they have variances, or noise, in the output current.

I had the pleasure of vaping off an authentic DNA30 device and I was absolutely blown away at the consistency and "smoothness" of the vape. I donno what parts they used, but for $70 for the chip alone, I'd like to assume they use better quality stuff lol.

 

[v1k1ng1001]

To take this discussion in a different direction, the mod isn't the biggest factor determining the quality of your vape's flavor. In my opinion, the topper is the most important factor. A better topper will produce better flavor.

The game changer for me was moving away from clearomizers and tanks that use stock coils and instead building my own coils and wicking them with cotton. I've since switched over to the kayfun for daily usage, where you rebuild the coil from time to time.

Once you start rebuilding you may want a new device capable of driving the coils that you've built.

But, as others have said, if you're fine with what you've got stick with it.

 

[werther]

To take this discussion in a different direction, the mod isn't the biggest factor determining the quality of your vape's flavor. In my opinion, the topper is the most important factor. A better topper will produce better flavor.

The game changer for me was moving away from clearomizers and tanks that use stock coils and instead building my own coils and wicking them with cotton. I've since switched over to the kayfun for daily usage, where you rebuild the coil from time to time.

Once you start rebuilding you may want a new device capable of driving the coils that you've built.

But, as others have said, if you're fine with what you've got stick with it.

I've just watched a few videos about rebuilding kayfun (3.1), it doesnt look so hard, and the vapor production looks great
How frequently do you need to rebuild it and is it easy to clean?
And what mod do you use to power such a setup?

 

[Cookie60]

I've just watched a few videos about rebuilding kayfun (3.1), it doesnt look so hard, and the vapor production looks great
How frequently do you need to rebuild it and is it easy to clean?
And what mod do you use to power such a setup?

I just recently got a couple of Kayfuns and they are wonderful. Took a bit of playing around to get a handle on coil building, which is easy-peasy. Wicking took a little more perfecting, but I would never go back to Evods. Tired of nearly sucking my ears in to get a good hit and the flavour is soooo much better. Now I'm looking at a Provati for more consistent power.

 

[Stosh]

To take this discussion in a different direction, the mod isn't the biggest factor determining the quality of your vape's flavor. In my opinion, the topper is the most important factor. A better topper will produce better flavor.

This is so true, the topper has much more to do with a good vape than the battery. When I started vaping there wasn't near the variety available today, everything needed to be extensively modded to work at all and the Genesis was still on the drawing board .

What I learned fighting with the early cartos and atomizers (they weren't rebuildable back then) was if the air and eliquid flow was correct for the battery power, almost anything could produce a good vape. Find a topper that is close to what you want in warmth and vapor, then figure what to change to make it perform to your liking.

I'm using a Vision Vivi-Nova top coil tank modded to my liking, the flavor is similar to a 901 atty and the warmth of a 306 atty. No leaking, no dry hits, easy to refill, cheap, tanks don't crack from any flavors, and at about 1.8-2.0Ω a ton of vapor, what's not to like....

 

[v1k1ng1001]

I've just watched a few videos about rebuilding kayfun (3.1), it doesnt look so hard, and the vapor production looks great
How frequently do you need to rebuild it and is it easy to clean?
And what mod do you use to power such a setup?

Honestly you can go a couple weeks on a coil and rewick when you're changing out the tank. You might need to do that more frequently if you're vaping gunky liquids.

Learning to build is a hassle at first but becomes rather easy by your third or fourth try. Just keep in mind you never have to buy stupid replacement heads again. $7 of 28g wire and a bag of cotton will last you forever so it's very cost effective once you have a kayfun or two.

 

[amolson]

The only real difference I've found is to me, DC output mods taste different from PWM. However, not everyone can taste the difference. All three of the mods I use all the time are all DC output.

What this means is the voltage that goes to the coil is a value from say 3V to 6V. PWM changes the power to the coil by turning it on or off a certain percentage of the time, most typically at 33.3 times per second.

 

[werther]

Well, this has been a very enlightening thread for me, honestly I didn't except so many experienced vapers to spare their time to make such detailed explanations.
I thank you all.

 

[MrTomkat]

Hi all,
I am new to this e-cig world and currently in the stage where I get confused easily in this ocean of information.
Can someone plz. briefly explain to me the role of mod (battery / apv) in the taste a vaper gets.

E.g. let's say that I am happy with the taste I am getting in a setup like this: 3.7 v ego battery 650 mAh, kanger evod bcc atomizer, 1.8 ohm coil head, %80 VG juice. What would an evic battery or a provari do to improve the taste I am getting and earn the dollars I'd spent on such a battery.

If I am happy with fixed 3.7 v, if my single atomizer coils do not require more power, if I am satisfied with the time my battery lasts, and if I am ok with the warmth and intensity of my vapor, is there any reason to upgrade my battery? I would just go and try other systems (carto-tanks, dripping, etc.) and other tanks as long as they fit on an ego/510 connection and do not require higher voltage.

I respect the will to explore further, try, discover, and benefit from technological advances, spend money for better devices, etc., however, I just want to know if I am thinking straight in this matter, because I see newbies like myself chasing evics and provaris, and thinking if I'm skipping something important.

Thanks for your time.

Hi there, well if you are in the happy medium with your setup then no reason to change since you aren't smoking. However its always fun to buy something new.
For Me a mod tank setup for better flavor etc nust depends on what type of device it is i am using or what it is. VV-VW you adjust said Volts or Watts warmer vape or cooler vape. The 134 is just VW it is my go to fav mod i have next to my magneto. I only use Nautilus, iclear30 and now a Magoo. Just depends on what you like and what you want. Some ppl use Provari but for me that is just to expensive for a battery tube that can adjust power like a vamo v5 ( i am sure it is like comparing a Lambo to a audi TT coupe lol ) that being said though i am saving to grab the Zombie Edition Pvari, just hope the wife will have a happy final word lol