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I know that most Christians will say that the sabbath was done away with the rest of the law when Jesus died. But, the sabbath was also part of the ten commandments, which was not done away with when Jesus died.

So, are we supposed to keep the sabbath? Yes or no. This issue has been bothering me for a few weeks now because I don't do it, never thought about it till recently.

Any insight on this issue would be helpful, scripture references would be a bonus! :)
 

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Hi Lisa,

Let's see if I can organize my thoughts on this subject somewhat coherently (I'm still on my first cup of tea for the morning.)

Jesus said
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Mat 5:17

Based on that, we can't just toss out all those "old outdated rules." We know that salvation is not based on them, but that doesn't make them unimportant. Now we have to ask why and how they are important.

......now that I've gotten my bonus points:p the rest is strictly personal opinion........

Take for example, some of the laws about what to eat and what not to eat. Pork, shellfish, and scaleless fish are on the "don't eat" list. Modern nutritionists will tell you that pork is bad for you, especially if it is not cooked properly. Shellfish and scaleless fish, catfish for example, are filter or bottom feeders. They take in all the waste and pollution in the water and when we eat them, those toxins go into us.

My next example is the rule about adultery. Sex is only allowed with the person you are married to; no pre-marital sex and no cheating on your husband or wife. If we all followed that, there would there be a lot less heartache, no teen pregnancy, no rape, no child molestation. There would also be no sexually transmitted diseases.

There are tons of laws about cleanliness. Wash after this, ritual bath after that. People back then did not know anything about germs or hygiene for health reasons. Now, what first grader couldn't tell you that "frequent hand washing prevents the spread of disease"? Who doesn't carry a bottle of Purell?

A few thousand years back, when the law was given, nobody knew about trichinosis, mercury poisoning, herpes, Aids, pink eye, or H1N1 - but God knew they were coming. All of those laws were for health reasons.

How does this relate to the Sabbath? God said not just to keep the Sabbath (every seventh day) but to forgive debts and free slaves after seven years. The number seven is important to God. I don't know if it is in the Bible, but prior to commercial farming, it was common practice to give a field a years rest every seven years. Crops grew better if you did that. Giving the ground a year off somehow replenished the soil.

Even God, whose power is unlimited, took a break from His work at the end of the week. We, who are made in His image, would probably be better off if we took breaks on the same schedule. I know a day off makes me feel better, both physically and mentally, and I am better equipped to deal with things for another week.

God also knew that life would get so hectic, that people wouldn't stop and pause and think about Him unless they had that day off. How many people do you know of that only ever pray or think about God on Sunday, when they're in church? They are too busy with other things. Now, that is not good, but it is better than never thinking of Him at all. He made it law, knowing it would become tradition, and then habit, and that is at least something. How many unsaved people sit in church every Sunday for years or decades, just because that's what is done, and then one day they are saved? How many people wonder why so many other people do the "Sunday off thing" and because of that learn about God?

You asked for insight, and I gave you a page of it;)

(For total disclosure, I have broken most of the laws I mentioned. My life would have been better had I not, but I get to go to Heaven regardless. For historical accuracy, when the Law was given, the Sabbath was Saturday. It was changed to Sunday after the Resurrection to mark that day for Christians.)

Be well,
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This will be slow...please bear with me. It will come in parts.

I. THE SABBATH DAY QUESTION.
"Sabbath" originally comes from a Hebrew word "Shabbath." The word means"rest." This word can refer to a day, festive period, month, or year. The purpose of this study is to find out if the Sabbath is binding and to be observed in this the Christian age.

THE SABBATH WAS NOT OBSERVED BEFORE SINAI.
Gen 2:2,3 - this passage is a prolepsis (a joining together of two distant events resulting in the appearance as if the two happened at the same time or were in effect at the same time). This passage is connected with Ex 20:8-11 in this fashion. Other examples are:
Mt 10:1-4 - "Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him." Here the fact of his being a traitor is mentioned at the time of his calling and being sent out.
Gen 3:20 - "And Adam called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living." Here she is called the mother of all living even though she has not born any children yet.
God rested on the seventh day (Gen 2:2,3) but His commanding the Jews to rest on the Sabbath came at least 2,500 years later (Ex 20:8-11). Moses, looking back through the centuries, connected the two events and wrote them down in Gen 2:2,3.
Ex 16:22,23 - The first mention of the Sabbath. This statement was made in the wilderness just prior to the encampment at Mt Sinai. It was said in anticipation of the Law which was to be given soon.
Question: Why did Moses have to explain the Sabbath if it was already an established observance?
Neh 9:13,14 - This passage tells us plainly when the commandment was given to observe the Sabbath. The Levites are speaking to God in prayer and say: "You came down also on Mount Sinai...You made known to them Your holy Sabbath..."
Ezek 20:10-12; 18-20 - This passage also identifies when the Sabbath Law was given to the Jews. "...I made them go out of the land of Egypt...I also gave them My Sabbaths..."
Deut 5:1-33 - Also identifies the time the covenant including the Sabbath command was given. It identifies to whom it was given.
God made the covenant with the Jews.
He made it with them in Horeb (Mt. Sinai).
In positive identification He then lists the Ten Commandments.
Num 15:32-36 - This records the event of the man found picking up sticks on the Sabbath. If the Sabbath had been observed for centuries, why did these people have to ask what they should do to this man? Verse 34 tells us that they had never been told what to do. Therefore this law with its penalties was brand new.

C. THE SABBATH WAS GIVEN TO THE JEWS AND TO THE JEWS ONLY.
Deut 5:2,3 - "The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us."
Ex 20:2 - Identifies that this law was given only after they had been, "brought out of the land of Egypt."
Ezek 20:10-18 - God gave the Sabbaths to those who went forth out of Egypt - the house of Israel.
Neh 9:13,14 - Tells that these laws were given to those who were gathered at Mt. Sinai.
1 Kgs 8:20,21 - "And there I have made a place for the ark, in which is the covenant of the Lord which He made with our fathers, when He brought them out of the land of Egypt."
The covenant had been made with these Jews' fathers.
Their fathers were the ones who had come out of the land of Egypt.
In that ark was the "covenant."
This covenant is identified as the "two tablets of stone" in verse 9.
Therefore since the Sabbath command was one of the commands given on the tablets of stone, it was given to the fathers when God had brought them out of the land of Egypt.
Ex 31:17 - Speaking of the Sabbath, "It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever..."

THE COVENANT HAS BEEN DONE AWAY (INCLUDING THE SABBATH LAW).
Jer 31:31-34 - "...I will make a new covenant..." This passage is quoted in Heb 8:5-13; 10:16,17 as proof that the Old Law was taken away (removed, no longer binding). The Ten Commandments were called a part of the Covenant.
1 Kgs 8:9 - "There was nothing in the ark except the two tablets of stone which Moses put there at Horeb, when the Lord made a covenant with the children of Israel..."
Deut 5:2,3,22 - "The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb...and He wrote them on two tablets of stone..."
Heb 9:4 - "The ark of the covenant...in which were...the tablets of the covenant."
Deut 9:9-11 - "When I went up into the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant...the Lord gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant."
"Two tablets of stone written with the finger of God."
Two tablets = the covenant = the Law = the Ten Commandments.
Deut 4:13 - "So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone."
The "covenant" was the "Ten Commandments."
These Ten Commandments (or the covenant) are what contained the Sabbath law.
Ex 34:27,28 - "He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."
The "covenant" was known as the "Ten Commandments."
When the covenant was done away, the Ten Commandments were done away.
When the Ten Commandments were done away the Sabbath Law (the fourth commandment) was
also done away.

In 2 Cor 3 - Notice the contrast the Holy Spirit makes:
New Covenant - v. 6
Tablets of heart -v. 3
The Spirit - v.6
Ministry of the Spirit - v.8
Ministry of righteousness -v.9
Exceeds in glory - v.9
Remains - v.11
Unveiled face - v.13

Old Covenant -v. 14
Tablets of stone - 3
The letter - 6
Ministry of death - 7
Ministry of condemnation - 9
Glory - 9
Passing away - 11,13
Veiled face - 13

The old covenant (14) passing away (11,13) but the hardened minds (14) refuse to see the end of the law (13).

Gal 3:16-19 - The Law was added "till the Seed should come."
The Seed is Christ - 16.
Christ did come!
Gal 3:23-25 - "We are no longer under the tutor."
Before faith came we were under the Law - 23.
The Law was our tutor (schoolmaster) - 24.
Now that faith has come we are no longer under the tutor - 25.
Tutor = Schoolmaster.
Rom 7:1-7 - "You have become dead to the law."
"You also have become dead to the law...that you may be married to another (law)."
"We have been delivered from the law" - 6.
That same law was the law that included "You shall not covet" -
And this law was one of the Ten Commandments - Ex 20:17.
Therefore, the law to which the Jewish people were made "dead" or "delivered from" was the Ten Commandments.

Col 2:14-17 - "Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us."
The requirements (law) was wiped out - 14.
When Christ died He fulfilled the Law, nailing it to His cross - 14.
The result was that Christians were to let no man judge them in respect to any Sabbath day - 16.
Also the Sabbaths "are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ."

Eph 2:14-16 - "Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances..."
Enmity was what separated the Jews and the Gentiles.
Enmity was the result of the "law of commandments."
Therefore, for the Jews and the Gentiles to be reconciled in one body, the law or enmity had to be removed.

Gal 4:21-31 - the allegory of Hagar and Sarai.
The son of the bondwoman (22,23) represents the following of "the covenant" (24) which was made at Sinai.
The "covenant" at Sinai was the Ten Commandments.
The son of the bondwoman will not inherit (30,31).
Therefore the followers of the covenant made at Sinai shall not inherit with Christ or His followers.

THE "LAW OF GOD" IS THE SAME AS THE "LAW OF MOSES."
Sabbatarians claim that the "law of God" contains the Ten Commandments only. Then they claim that the "law of Moses" contained the ceremonial and sacrificial ordinances and that it was this "law of Moses" (the ceremonial law) that was done away at the cross.
Neh 8:1-18.
The phrase "Law of Moses" was used in verse 1 to refer to that from which Ezra was reading.
But notice that in verse 8 the same material is referred to as "the Law of God."
"The Law of Moses" (14) commanded the Feast of the Tabernacles, yet, this was read from the same book that had just been called the "Law of God” (8).

Lk 2:22-24 - "And to offer a sacrifice according to what is said in the law of the Lord, 'A pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons.'"
The "law of the Lord" commanded the sacrifice of turtledoves.
This is a reference back to Lev 12:2,8.
But this is what the Sabbatarians claim should be called the "Law of Moses."
If there is a distinction between the “Law of Moses" and the "Law of the Lord," Jesus did not know it.

THE OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS TOLD ABOUT THE SABBATHS COMING TO AN END.
Hosea 2:11 - "I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, her sabbaths - all her appointed feasts."
Amos 8:5-10 - "When will the New Moon be past, that we may sell grain? And the Sabbath, that we may trade our wheat?...It shall come to pass in that day, says the Lord God, that I will make the sun godown at noon..."
Amos here records that the Sabbath was to cease.
The Sabbath was to cease when the sun goes down at noon.
The sun was darkened at noon when Christ was crucified - Lk 23:44.
Therefore, the Sabbath ceased to be (ended) at the crucifixion of Christ.

WHAT DO WE CONCLUDE FROM ALL OF THE ABOVE?
1. God made a covenant with Israel - 1 Kgs 8:20,21.
2. This covenant included the Ten Commandments - 1 Kgs 8:9.
3. This covenant was never given before - Deut 5:2-22.
4. This covenant made known the Sabbath - Neh 9:13,14.
5. God promised a new covenant - Jer 31:31-34.
6. The New Testament declares this was fulfilled in Christ - Heb 8:5-13; 10:16,17.
7. Before the second covenant could be enforced Christ had to take away the first covenant - Heb 10:9,10; 8:6-8.
8. Christ did this at the cross - Col 2:14-16.
9. Such changes in the law governing God's people (including commandments concerning the Sabbath) fulfills specific prophecies of which the Jewish fathers were aware - Hos 2:11; Amos 8:5.
 
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I observe the 'true' Saturday Sabbath. It was originally for the Jews but it's also for the grafted-in Jews (Non-Jewish or Gentile Christians). :)

I personally observe the Saturday Sabbath for personal reasons. IMHO it's the true God-given Sabbath and I want 'all' that God has for me.. not because I'm in bondage to laws or legalism, but because of this freedom I 'choose' this day to set aside for God. I do everything I do on any other day of the week except 'work' where I earn wages. I still feed my Husband, help the needy and or poor... what have you.
 

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Hi Lisa,

Let's see if I can organize my thoughts on this subject somewhat coherently (I'm still on my first cup of tea for the morning.)

Jesus said
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Mat 5:17

Based on that, we can't just toss out all those "old outdated rules." We know that salvation is not based on them, but that doesn't make them unimportant. Now we have to ask why and how they are important.

......now that I've gotten my bonus points:p the rest is strictly personal opinion........

Take for example, some of the laws about what to eat and what not to eat. Pork, shellfish, and scaleless fish are on the "don't eat" list. Modern nutritionists will tell you that pork is bad for you, especially if it is not cooked properly. Shellfish and scaleless fish, catfish for example, are filter or bottom feeders. They take in all the waste and pollution in the water and when we eat them, those toxins go into us.

My next example is the rule about adultery. Sex is only allowed with the person you are married to; no pre-marital sex and no cheating on your husband or wife. If we all followed that, there would there be a lot less heartache, no teen pregnancy, no rape, no child molestation. There would also be no sexually transmitted diseases.

There are tons of laws about cleanliness. Wash after this, ritual bath after that. People back then did not know anything about germs or hygiene for health reasons. Now, what first grader couldn't tell you that "frequent hand washing prevents the spread of disease"? Who doesn't carry a bottle of Purell?

A few thousand years back, when the law was given, nobody knew about trichinosis, mercury poisoning, herpes, Aids, pink eye, or H1N1 - but God knew they were coming. All of those laws were for health reasons.

How does this relate to the Sabbath? God said not just to keep the Sabbath (every seventh day) but to forgive debts and free slaves after seven years. The number seven is important to God. I don't know if it is in the Bible, but prior to commercial farming, it was common practice to give a field a years rest every seven years. Crops grew better if you did that. Giving the ground a year off somehow replenished the soil.

Even God, whose power is unlimited, took a break from His work at the end of the week. We, who are made in His image, would probably be better off if we took breaks on the same schedule. I know a day off makes me feel better, both physically and mentally, and I am better equipped to deal with things for another week.

God also knew that life would get so hectic, that people wouldn't stop and pause and think about Him unless they had that day off. How many people do you know of that only ever pray or think about God on Sunday, when they're in church? They are too busy with other things. Now, that is not good, but it is better than never thinking of Him at all. He made it law, knowing it would become tradition, and then habit, and that is at least something. How many unsaved people sit in church every Sunday for years or decades, just because that's what is done, and then one day they are saved? How many people wonder why so many other people do the "Sunday off thing" and because of that learn about God?

You asked for insight, and I gave you a page of it;)

(For total disclosure, I have broken most of the laws I mentioned. My life would have been better had I not, but I get to go to Heaven regardless. For historical accuracy, when the Law was given, the Sabbath was Saturday. It was changed to Sunday after the Resurrection to mark that day for Christians.)

Be well,
~A

Great post Angelique! But, I wasn't referring to the Law, I was referring to the 10 commandments. Aren't we supposed to keep them?

As far the traditional day of worship being sunday to honor the resurrection............well.......I believe that's false. From what I've read, Jesus died on a wednesday, and He was resurrected on Saturday. Atleast that's what I understand to be true from various things I've read.

The reason Christians worship on sunday goes way back, the early catholic church adopted sunday to make the pagans happy from what I understand.
 

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Great post Angelique! But, I wasn't referring to the Law, I was referring to the 10 commandments. Aren't we supposed to keep them?

As far the traditional day of worship being sunday to honor the resurrection............well.......I believe that's false. From what I've read, Jesus died on a wednesday, and He was resurrected on Saturday. Atleast that's what I understand to be true from various things I've read.

The reason Christians worship on sunday goes way back, the early catholic church adopted sunday to make the pagans happy from what I understand.

Acts 20:7--And upon the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul discoursed with them, intending to depart on the morrow; and prolonged his speech until midnight.

Actually it was the first Christians who met on Sunday. If the Sabbath was the 7th day, Sunday would clearly be the 1st day of the week.
 

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Acts 20:7--And upon the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul discoursed with them, intending to depart on the morrow; and prolonged his speech until midnight.

Actually it was the first Christians who met on Sunday. If the Sabbath was the 7th day, Sunday would clearly be the 1st day of the week.

So, you're saying that the sabbath was on sunday? Then why did the jews observe it on saturday? I'm confused.......
 

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So, you're saying that the sabbath was on sunday? Then why did the jews observe it on saturday? I'm confused.......

Sabbath was the 7th day=Saturday
Sunday is the 1st day of the week
Paul and the rest of the Christians met in Acts 20 on the 1st day of the week.
Here we have Biblical example of "when" the church came together.
 

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Sabbath was the 7th day=Saturday
Sunday is the 1st day of the week
Paul and the rest of the Christians met in Acts 20 on the 1st day of the week.
Here we have Biblical example of "when" the church came together.

Then saturday is the "holy day" and the official day of rest. Sun day was the sun god worship day, or something like that.

So if they met on the 1st day, and paul prolonged his speech till midnight, then that would have been the second day, right?

This is getting crazy......................LOL!
 

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Then saturday is the "holy day" and the official day of rest. Sun day was the sun god worship day, or something like that.

So if they met on the 1st day, and paul prolonged his speech till midnight, then that would have been the second day, right?

This is getting crazy......................LOL!

Paul prolonged his speech means that Paul "preached" all the way to midnight. Talk about long winded preachers!!
The early Christians did not observe the Sabbath as a holy day. The church clearly came together on the 1st day.
Sunday was only observed to the sun god by those who worshiped a sun god...the sun god meant nothing to early Christians.
 

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Paul prolonged his speech means that Paul "preached" all the way to midnight. Talk about long winded preachers!!
The early Christians did not observe the Sabbath as a holy day. The church clearly came together on the 1st day.
Sunday was only observed to the sun god by those who worshiped a sun god...the sun god meant nothing to early Christians.

But what about the 10 commandments? The sabbath is one of them, no?
 

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One of the many Bible/Christian oriented websites out there - they all seem to state the same thing - so here is just one:

The Christian holy day: Saturday or Sunday?

Looks like it's up to each person to make their own determination, but as we all know, most Christian churches operate on the Sunday schedule. “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind” (Romans 14:5).
 

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One of the many Bible/Christian oriented websites out there - they all seem to state the same thing - so here is just one:

The Christian holy day: Saturday or Sunday?

Looks like it's up to each person to make their own determination, but as we all know, most Christian churches operate on the Sunday schedule. “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind” (Romans 14:5).

The only issue is that the Sabbath was for the Jewish nation. As a Gentile, the Sabbath has never meant anything to me nor was it authorized for me.

There seems to be no internal evidence that would justify the Christian church changing the day from that commanded in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament). quote from website

There is plenty of scriptural evidence that the Sabbath is no longer in force.
 
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If I remember correctly, the reason the believers met on Sunday, the first day, was because at that time they were still Jews. They were considered a sect of Jews called The Way and were not separated from the Jews until about 70 AD. They probably observed the Sabbath on Fri night to Sat night. And met as beleivers in Christ on Sunday. (hense the two day weekend... just kidding) It was a matter of convenience rather than rule.

re: the Sabbath.... every day is the Lord's day. re: the Ten Commandments... which are part of the law... (actually the beginning of it).. Christ fulfilled all of the law. The purpose of the law is to be our school master to lead us to grace. Once grace is found, the school master is no longer of use. Gal 3:24.

I explained it to my grand-daughter this way while we were having dinner together. "One of the rules of your home is to pick up your plate after dinner and take it to the sink right? Well Grace is Love that goes beyond the rules. So when you get up and look on the table and see that your sister is done too, Love allows you to pick up her plate too. You can obey the rule but the rule is not necessary when you love. "

Jesus said... all of the law is fulfilled in these two... love God and love your neighbor as yourself.
 
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If I remember correctly, the reason the believers met on Sunday, the first day, was because at that time they were still Jews. They were considered a sect of Jews called The Way and were not separated from the Jews until about 70 AD. They probably observed the Sabbath on Fri night to Sat night. And met as beleivers in Christ on Sunday. (hense the two day weekend... just kidding)

re: the Sabbath.... every day is the Lord's day. re: the Ten Commandments... which are part of the law... (actually the beginning of it).. Christ fulfilled all of the law. The purpose of the law is to be our school master to lead us to grace. Once grace is found, the school master is no longer of use. Gal 3:24.

Jesus said... all of the law is fulfilled in these two... love God and love your neighbor as yourself.

Yes and those of "the way" were being persecuted by the Sabbath keepers. Their participation in the synagogue would likely not be welcome.

love God and love your neighbor as yourself. In this one statement Jesus covered 9 of the 10 commandments. Guess which one is left out!?!
 

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Yes and those of "the way" were being persecuted by the Sabbath keepers. Their participation in the synagogue would likely not be welcome.

love God and love your neighbor as yourself. In this one statement Jesus covered 9 of the 10 commandments. Guess which one is left out!?!

Re: Persecution... in part perhaps. Those who followed "the Way" may not have been generally persecuted right away. One of the reasons they were persecuted heavily later was that during the siege of Jerusalem (70AD?) the believers thought that it was the end and fled to the hills, abandoning the Jews. They were then ostracized by the Jews. Disfellowshipped.

Since Jesus said that all of the law was included in those two... I'd venture to disagree that one was left out. :)
 

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Re: Persecution... in part perhaps. Those who followed "the Way" may not have been generally persecuted right away. One of the reasons they were persecuted heavily later was that during the siege of Jerusalem (70AD?) the believers thought that it was the end and fled to the hills, abandoning the Jews. They were then ostracized by the Jews. Disfellowshipped.

Since Jesus said that all of the law was included in those two... I'd venture to disagree that one was left out. :)

The early church dispersion in Acts was caused by the Jews and was quite a while before 70. Perhaps we should say that He covered the only 9 that would remain in context. If ya wanna be technical about it.
 
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