The sharks are circling

[liquidator]

But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

Bob Dylan................

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-market-in-britain-with-the-vype-8737286.html

 

[Talyon]

Yes lots of fish to take da bait..... Not a bad thing per se.

 

[Juicemoose]

“The development of inhaled nicotine products, which includes ecigarettes, is a natural extension of British American Tobacco’s approach to tobacco harm reduction which has been evolving over a number of years.”

What a load of ********, never have i seen such a hipocrytical company in all my life. Now if they were producing this stuff and giving it away free across the world as an apologie i could accept it. These companies have had their money and their day as far as i'm concerned.

 

[liquidator]

What a load of ********, never have i seen such a hipocrytical company in all my life. Now if they were producing this stuff and giving it away free across the world as an apologie i could accept it. These companies have had their money and their day as far as i'm concerned.

Well said.

The infuriating thing is, these parasites are lining up to get guaranteed profits from the NHS at the expense of the taxpayer and not treating people in A&E departments, plus regulating all the small retailers out of business that have spent years building up their business and offer far superior products.

I am all for assisting people give up smoking but there is no reason for the taxpayer to fund it as a smoker would be spending in excess of £50 per week, you can vape for a tenth of this, so to be honest, if someone is not willing to dramatically reduce their cost with great benefits to their health, they cannot be serious about it.

But I think most people can work out what this is really about!

 

[Juicemoose]

Playground bullies is all they are and are scared for their future. At least with the vaping / e cig community all the dangers are explained and all the help is self help. It's like nuclear weapons makers selling bandages on street corners.

 

[Vault]

I think they are trying to jump on the boat too late. They can see their profits falling year on year and must by now realise it is due in some part to the E-cig market.
But....they`ve come to the party too late, unless they can come up with something really inovative and unseen so far or can compete on price directly with the Chinese (both highly unlikely!) then they will be just another company marketing the (basically ) same products as everyone else.
By now there are established forums and I think enough people vaping to influence and educate the public, it`s not an underground movement with 1.3million vapers and rising and I see more and more vapers every day, in fact I`ve taken to carrying around a basic starter kit as I have so many people ask about it and have started 10 people vaping in the past two weeks (not by actively seeking out smokers!!!! and preaching, just by spending a couple of minutes answering questions from the curious )

The only dark cloud on the horizon is the possible future regulation and that is the only reason BAT want to jump on board! They can see a chance in a highly regulated market, in an open market they are just another small fish in a very big pond and unless they can do either of the two above (inovate or undercut) then they lose.

Isn`t it curious how BAT hav`nt been interested in the market until the possibility of regulation has become very real? They have had since 2004 but obviously under estimated the threat to their profits as E-cig use has increased and cut into their market.

 

[Orb Skewer]

I saw a fin in the water over a year and a half ago
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ropoganda-machine-creeps-further-forward.html

They've had their last from me also

 

[Orb Skewer]

I think they are trying to jump on the boat too late. They can see their profits falling year on year and must by now realise it is due in some part to the E-cig market.
But....they`ve come to the party too late, unless they can come up with something really inovative and unseen so far or can compete on price directly with the Chinese (both highly unlikely!) then they will be just another company marketing the (basically ) same products as everyone else.
By now there are established forums and I think enough people vaping to influence and educate the public, it`s not an underground movement with 1.3million vapers and rising and I see more and more vapers every day, in fact I`ve taken to carrying around a basic starter kit as I have so many people ask about it and have started 10 people vaping in the past two weeks (not by actively seeking out smokers!!!! and preaching, just by spending a couple of minutes answering questions from the curious )

The only dark cloud on the horizon is the possible future regulation and that is the only reason BAT want to jump on board! They can see a chance in a highly regulated market, in an open market they are just another small fish in a very big pond and unless they can do either of the two above (inovate or undercut) then they lose.

Isn`t it curious how BAT hav`nt been interested in the market until the possibility of regulation has become very real? They have had since 2004 but obviously under estimated the threat to their profits as E-cig use has increased and cut into their market.

They have allowed the efforts of others to 'ripen the market', time to pick it from the tree, their abysmal product will get MA (they have the money to buy one off the shelf), their blood brothers- Big Pharma are reaching medicalisation-4mg/mil sh**-o-cigs, and its goodnight Vienna.
These people aint dumb.

 

[Karl_Cro]

It's worse here in Ireland. There are far less vapers. Our health minister lobbied Europe to ban the sale of 'menthol' cigarettes. (Think flavours). Successfully. Hes banning smoking in parks and on beeches from 2016. Says he's waiting on medical advice before moving on ecigs. No he's going on two months holiday. but vape gets feck all meja coverage here. He's a doctor. He said its a disgrace you can vape on some flights as Nic has a cardio vascular effect. He knows these things as he's a doctor.

Word in government buildings is that he will bring the 4mg ban in here in December. We are the Petri dish of Europe having lost our financial sovereignty, and the government is set to spin this into a good health story. They remember how our other conservative party (yes we've two that alternate in power) got great support for banning smoking in bars and the workplace before any other European nation.

Worryingly the 4mg tobacco directive is in place and has had cross party support for years, ie: since before the invention of the ecig.

So they'll ban the sale of nicotine over 4mg And nicotine mixed with any flavourings apart from tobacco.

But, I'll buy a small freezer and buy a lifetime supply. So .... them.

 

[Juicemoose]

The only people i feel sorry for out of all this is the workers on the tobacco plantations. Things will look very real for them. How are BAT helping them once they don't need them anymore. I wish this sort of talk got out to the news channels so people get a real feeling on who and what is affected.

 

[Vault]

It's worse here in Ireland. There are far less vapers. Our health minister lobbied Europe to ban the sale of 'menthol' cigarettes. (Think flavours). Successfully. Hes banning smoking in parks and on beeches from 2016. Says he's waiting on medical advice before moving on ecigs. No he's going on two months holiday. but vape gets feck all meja coverage here. He's a doctor. He said its a disgrace you can vape on some flights as Nic has a cardio vascular effect. He knows these things as he's a doctor.

Word in government buildings is that he will bring the 4mg ban in here in December. We are the Petri dish of Europe having lost our financial sovereignty, and the government is set to spin this into a good health story. They remember how our other conservative party (yes we've two that alternate in power) got great support for banning smoking in bars and the workplace before any other European nation.

Worryingly the 4mg tobacco directive is in place and has had cross party support for years, ie: since before the invention of the ecig.

So they'll ban the sale of nicotine over 4mg And nicotine mixed with any flavourings apart from tobacco.

But, I'll buy a small freezer and buy a lifetime supply. So .... them.

It seems Dr James Reilly`s professional qualifications amount to 25 years as a GP and not as a Cardio specialist, so his comments on the effect of nicotine at altitude can been seen as an educated guess and not as expert medical advice ;-)
It seems that in July 2012 along with four others he was in debt to the tune of 1.9million Euros and failed to comply with a high court ruling regarding the purchase of a nursing home.
Wiki is a wonderful thing

.... back to the thread .....

 

[Karl_Cro]

Indeed. A tosser of a higher order he is.

 

[Juicemoose]

I wonder if that so called doctor drinks? surely he would need to ban that too......Nooooooooo not in Ireland, life without Guiness would be a unbearable? The world is full of hypocrits. I like a drink when i fel like it and i like to smoke, but because i know that is bad me i switched. These should be things should be everybodys right to choose.