I can't help but notice that over the last few years there has been a shift toward higher percentage of VG in e-juice. The "standard" 70/30 is not as prevalent as it once was. This trend is especially pronounced in premium & gourmet liquid. What do you think the reason is?
The trend in PG/VG composition
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I think you only saw one part of the whole. For the over 2.5 years I've been vaping I have always seen many 100%, 90% and 80% VG mixes. In fact 2 years ago my main order was a 100%VG chocolate every month.
Nah, I feel he is correct. IMO at one point the standard was 70PG and 30VG. Now I really feel the standard is 50/50 and a lot of people want more VG. Why? VG provides a denser and thicker vape for one ALTHOUGH I really think the reason for this is the toppers. Two years ago not many toppers could easily wick the really thick stuff, I member when I used to vape liters of Bobas and thin it out as a necessity. I mean now your basic $20-$40 CLEAROS can wick the thick stuff. I wont do less then a 70VG juice. Most of what I vape is in the realm of 27%PG and none of my main juices contain more then 31%PG.
There's always been high VG juices available, but recently they have definitely become the majority for higher-end juices. Even companies that used to have a more balanced ratio are now changing their formula to a higher VG mixture, and more than a few have special dripper lines that are usually max vg.
There's probably several reasons why higher VG ratios are becoming more popular, people like big clouds and VG delivers that, some people like to avoid PG because it can be a bit harsher on the throat compared to VG, etc.
Personally I'm not a fan of the trend but I guess I'll have to adapt, I think PG carries flavor far better than VG and I've given up several of my ADVs because their new high-VG formulas don't taste good anymore.
There's probably several reasons why higher VG ratios are becoming more popular, people like big clouds and VG delivers that, some people like to avoid PG because it can be a bit harsher on the throat compared to VG, etc.
Personally I'm not a fan of the trend but I guess I'll have to adapt, I think PG carries flavor far better than VG and I've given up several of my ADVs because their new high-VG formulas don't taste good anymore.
Lung hitting has become more of the norm. High pg just produces too much heat.
I'm finding, 2 years on, that the higher PG juices (even my 50/50 DIY blends) are becoming harsh to me. I'm about to start playing with a higher VG content blend to see if some of that harshness goes away.
Max VG is far too prevalent right now, IMO. I drip exclusively, so I've been using high VG juice for quite some time, but there's a balance to a satisfying vape, and as the nicotine levels go down, I want my PG ratio to go up. I feel like it's no coincidence that my two favourite juices are 50/50 blends.
Side effect of the wattage boom, I think. You don't need to do your homework to chuck clouds safely anymore, so the trend isn't really surprising, though it is disappointing.
As for the "options" comment, I'm of two minds. Of course if you like a flavour, having the option to adjust to your liking is a huge boon - especially if you have sensitivities/allergies. On the other hand, the best juices I've tried have all been "locked" into their ratios based on the BALANCE of flavour, some going so far as to offer flavours in only one nicotine level (i.e. Mad Murdock's).
In the end, a lot goes into what a person needs for satisfaction, and the trend overall definitely feels like it's tilting toward the cloud chasers.
Side effect of the wattage boom, I think. You don't need to do your homework to chuck clouds safely anymore, so the trend isn't really surprising, though it is disappointing.
As for the "options" comment, I'm of two minds. Of course if you like a flavour, having the option to adjust to your liking is a huge boon - especially if you have sensitivities/allergies. On the other hand, the best juices I've tried have all been "locked" into their ratios based on the BALANCE of flavour, some going so far as to offer flavours in only one nicotine level (i.e. Mad Murdock's).
In the end, a lot goes into what a person needs for satisfaction, and the trend overall definitely feels like it's tilting toward the cloud chasers.
Spot on.
Same here.
Had similar experiences. Seeing vendors move toward higher VG, I thought I was missing out on something. But it seems like everyone said it basically for bigger clouds and less TH (harshness).
I feel left out lol. Besides, I really don't want the thick clouds of high VG when I'm out or trying to stealth vape at work.
Well. Another reason to DIY
Subohm high wattage vaping is the cause of high VG. VG is less harsh at higher power and consumption levels. Also produces more opacity in the vapor.
I agree that manufacturer's are responding to higher Vg trends.
People who have gotten into RBA's prefer higher Vg because of the greater vapor production and their juice delivery devices can handle the thicker e-liquid. The thought once was that Pg was needed to carry the flavor, but I'm not so certain that this is the golden rule -- I've had 100% Vg juices that tasted just as good as the same flavor in a 50/50 blend (actually tested with my favorite Virgin Vapor flavor). 100% Vg may need some steep time as it doesn't blend flavors as easily as a Pg/Vg mix.
I worked in a vape shop for most of 2014. We carried several different manufacturers, and the vast majority had something in a 50/50 Pg/Vg mix. One manufacturer marketed their line for drippers, and of course it was a high Vg ratio.
I've been vaping with rebuildables exclusively for about a year, and I prefer 100% Vg or a higher Vg blend personally. Pg causes some harshness to my throat, especially in a rebuildable.
People who have gotten into RBA's prefer higher Vg because of the greater vapor production and their juice delivery devices can handle the thicker e-liquid. The thought once was that Pg was needed to carry the flavor, but I'm not so certain that this is the golden rule -- I've had 100% Vg juices that tasted just as good as the same flavor in a 50/50 blend (actually tested with my favorite Virgin Vapor flavor). 100% Vg may need some steep time as it doesn't blend flavors as easily as a Pg/Vg mix.
I worked in a vape shop for most of 2014. We carried several different manufacturers, and the vast majority had something in a 50/50 Pg/Vg mix. One manufacturer marketed their line for drippers, and of course it was a high Vg ratio.
I've been vaping with rebuildables exclusively for about a year, and I prefer 100% Vg or a higher Vg blend personally. Pg causes some harshness to my throat, especially in a rebuildable.
Personally I have started to experiment with 100% VG just to take one more chemical out of the mix. The sweeter taste and bigger clouds are a bonus. On the down side it looks like I have to steep my juice longer for optimal flavor. Even if I decide to make the transition for my main flavors I will still keep some 50/50 for stealth vaping.
I seem to have done a complete 180 when it comes PG/VG ratios.
When I first began vaping not that long ago, my internet research led me to believe that higher PG would be better for me, because I was a chain smoker of analogs, and a walking chimney like myself would just need to have that throat hit. And people also said that it carried taste better than VG. So most of the first juices that I ordered online where I could choose the PG/VG ratio myself, I would choose higher PG ratios. The last time that I ordered a sampler pack online, I chose 80 PG/20 VG, and I now find that all of those juices are too harsh for me, and I don't like them, because of the high PG.
I decided to forget about everything that I read online about PG/VG, and I just went to a nearby vapestore where I sampled some different premium juices, and I wasn't aware of their PG/VG makeup at the time of sampling. I went purely by taste and what I liked the best.
I ended up buying a few different bottles of premium juice that I liked the best, and when I came home I checked to see what the PG/VG ratio was on the two bottles I bought, and they were 30 PG/ 70 VG. I was shocked, since this was the best juice that I had tried so far, and I had tried many, many juices before, but almost all of them with a high PG.
So from now on, it seems that I like a higher VG concentration in my juices, and what I thought that I knew before was completely wrong, at least for my individual needs.
When I first began vaping not that long ago, my internet research led me to believe that higher PG would be better for me, because I was a chain smoker of analogs, and a walking chimney like myself would just need to have that throat hit. And people also said that it carried taste better than VG. So most of the first juices that I ordered online where I could choose the PG/VG ratio myself, I would choose higher PG ratios. The last time that I ordered a sampler pack online, I chose 80 PG/20 VG, and I now find that all of those juices are too harsh for me, and I don't like them, because of the high PG.
I decided to forget about everything that I read online about PG/VG, and I just went to a nearby vapestore where I sampled some different premium juices, and I wasn't aware of their PG/VG makeup at the time of sampling. I went purely by taste and what I liked the best.
I ended up buying a few different bottles of premium juice that I liked the best, and when I came home I checked to see what the PG/VG ratio was on the two bottles I bought, and they were 30 PG/ 70 VG. I was shocked, since this was the best juice that I had tried so far, and I had tried many, many juices before, but almost all of them with a high PG.
So from now on, it seems that I like a higher VG concentration in my juices, and what I thought that I knew before was completely wrong, at least for my individual needs.
When I started vaping in 2009, most Chinese juices (the only ones available at the time) were pretty much all 100% PG. American and British juice makers introduced PG/VG mixes, if I remember correctly, usually at 80/20 or 70/30 Pg/VG ratios.
So I went from 100% PG to 70/30 or 60/40 VG/PG. I think it's a perfect ratio--I don't sub-ohm and I don't drip. And I can't tolerate 100% VG at all.
Besides, PG has been tested and proved to be safe for inhalation--VG not so much.
So I went from 100% PG to 70/30 or 60/40 VG/PG. I think it's a perfect ratio--I don't sub-ohm and I don't drip. And I can't tolerate 100% VG at all.
Besides, PG has been tested and proved to be safe for inhalation--VG not so much.
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Tomorrow, PG is a chemical, VG is a chemical... There are no vegetables in VG (glycerol).
Water is a chemical, too, BTW--H2O or dihydrogen monoxide.
well, more than some people turned out to have a sensitivity to PG, so the 'cure' is a higher percentage of VG or 100% (90%vg10%water) VG.
and, VG produces more vapor than PG, so it's the more favored ingredient for cloudchasers.
edit: and I forgot to add, PG breaks down into lactic acid so I think it's harder for the body to clear
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Tomorrow, PG is a chemical, VG is a chemical... There are no vegetables in VG (glycerol).
Water is a chemical, too, BTW--H2O or dihydrogen monoxide.
yup you gotta watch that dihydrogen monoxide - too little you're dead, too much you're dead - scary stuff
damn, im addicted to dihydrogen monoxide, cant live w/out it.
"almost" 100% addictive to anyone just tasting a drop of it. nasty stuff that dihydrogen monoxide.
i seem to always find something to get hooked on, cigs which was replaced w/vaping.
lol
"almost" 100% addictive to anyone just tasting a drop of it. nasty stuff that dihydrogen monoxide.
i seem to always find something to get hooked on, cigs which was replaced w/vaping.
lol
I, for one, am happy with the trend. I still vape a few 30/70 blends, but prefer max VG if available.
I am pretty sure the chemicals in my tap water or the Twinkie I ate will do more harm to me than my juice.
I prefer 70/30 but it is becoming harder to find. My go to suppliers don't use that mix anymore.
I like anywhere between 70/30 & 50/50 for the TH & flavor. I'm not into huge clouds that linger or the cool vapor and precipitation of high VG juices.
But...
You have inspired me to revisit my preferences. I'll mix some juices with different pg/vg ratios to see if I change my mind.
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