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The VAMO battery thread

Discussion in 'VAMO' started by caged, Dec 2, 2012.

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  1. MacSabbath

    MacSabbath Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 28, 2012
    Scotland
  2. awsum140

    awsum140 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Unless and until I see real-world test data I'm not convinced of any claims by manufacturers regarding capacity, even Panasonic or AW. What they can achieve under ideal conditions versus real conditions makes for some interesting differences. Also, that battery is a protected battery, includes its own overcurrent protection. That can conflict with the control circuits in any mod and may not even be high enough to operate a mod. Check the Nitecore site to see if they show a maximum current drain, it needs to be at least five amps.
     
  3. Mowgli

    Mowgli Runs with scissors Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 25, 2013
    Taxachusetts
    These in my Vamo - Panasonic Hybrid/IMR CGR18650CH Flat Top - Batteries

    These in my Provari - AW IMR 18650 2000mAh

    I don't care if I can fit more mah, these are safe and reliable.
     
  4. thewomenfolk

    thewomenfolk Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 6, 2009
    Colorado John 3:16
  5. richberstler

    richberstler Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    I just spent the past 3-4 hours reading here and the main battery warning page. There are some loose ends I have.

    (1) Batteries can't be charged unattended so what happens if you don't have 12 hours (or 5-6 I expect my future buy to be)? Are batteries blowing up or catching fire really a big concern if I leave the house for a couple hours during the charge? I plan to buy Nitecore I4 V2, and only Panasonic, Efest, AW IMR 18650 + 18350 batts.

    (2) I'm not a heavy user, or at least not yet, so I did see a post about storing batteries for days/weeks/months. What is suggested for max storage time of a fully charged batt? I figure If i have a 3 or 4 batt rotation they may be sitting for a couple weeks eiter not charged or fully charged. All I saw was a few days was fine...

    (3) I'm sure there has to be a link somewhere here I haven't come across yet, but how should I properly store these types of batteries. It seem obvious not loose in a drawer. It was strange the scary battery warning page didn't mention this, or I completely missed it.

    I have some time to figure this all out as I just ordered my first mod - VAMO V5 from FT last night...
     
  6. awsum140

    awsum140 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Some quick answers -

    (1) If it takes 12 hours to charge a battery, you're charging at way too low a charge rate. I use Panasonic CGR18650CH batteries a lot, with an Xtar VP1 charger, and charge them at 1000ma, 1 amp. The charge time is, at most, three hours. If you are really concerned about a fire from a battery or charger malfunction while charging, just put the charger and batteries in a cast iron pot.

    (2) A charged battery can sit around, fully charged for a year, or even longer. It might lose a little capacity over that long a time period. After a year, a quick charge on an intelligent charger will top them right off again. Damage doesn't occur to a lithium based battery until the cell voltage drops to about 2.7 volts or lower. Even them a good intelligent charger may be able to "bring them back".

    (3) Lithium batteries, like the ones used for vaping, should be stored in a plastic or other non-conductive case. If your batteries don't come with a plastic case when you buy them, cases are available from many vendors and are very inexpensive. They should always be in an environment where they cannot be short circuited. Many battery horror stories happen because people put them loose into a situation where they get shorted out. As an example, the change or keys in your pocket can short them out. These batteries are capable of extremely high current, power, output and can quickly overheat enough to cause a fire under short circuit conditions.

    (to be read at double speed)
    Just my opinion, worth what you're paying for it. Your results and mileage may vary. No warranty or guarantee is expressed or implied. Proceed at your own risk. The end user agrees to hold the poster harmless and without liability. I am not a doctor, scientist, chemist or physicist and hold no academic degrees, nor do I play any of them on TV.
     
  7. richberstler

    richberstler Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Thanks, and I will not blame your advice if I do something wrong or some 'act of god' happens. lol Appreciate the help!
     
  8. richberstler

    richberstler Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Actually one last, maybe obvious Q. Storing the batts in plastic - make sure they are not covered completely so they can 'breathe'? Thinking at the moment in separate compartments of a tackle box sleeve, but it would be sealed by the lid....?
     
  9. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    If I may add my thoughts. All regulated mods (VV/VW) use PWM (pulse width modulation) in their processor boost circuits to acheive higher voltages. This requires a "high drain" battery, as explained by the people who make the Provari:

    http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/334831-technical-why-high-drain-batteries.html

    Most of the protected ICR batteries do not have the amp limits to fire higher voltages due to the fact that PWM can need twice the output that the user sets his device for. They are not high drain capable.

    IMR and hybrid batteries are "high drain". Therefore, IMR or the hybrid batteries are the best choice to use in regulated mods like the Vamo. In the first link below, I have a very large list of the common IMR or hybrid batteries on the market:

    Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected?

    Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries
     
  10. richberstler

    richberstler Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sorry 1 more...

    CHR18650CH? or CGR18650CH? I think that was a typo, but I am so noob I'm not sure
     
  11. Mowgli

    Mowgli Runs with scissors Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 25, 2013
    Taxachusetts
    I use these right here Panasonic Hybrid/IMR CGR18650CH Flat Top

    I bought a bunch last month when they were still listed at $7.50 yay
    I use the flat tops only in my Vamo and the AW IMR 18650s in my Provari.
    I have a VTR and a Vamo 5 on the way and they both take 18650s so we'll see which get to share with which.

    Those Pani 18650s I linked to are great and correct for the Vamo and RTD is 100% trustworthy. :2c:


    Also - listen to Baditude - he's the battery guru and really knows his .... :toast:

    EDIT - same goes for awsum140 - he's the other guru :toast:

    Another edit - I haven't seen xbassman around lately but he's the other other guru :toast:

    I only parrot what I've learned from them. You're in good hands here.
     
  12. awsum140

    awsum140 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    That was a typo, CGR18650CH.

    Lithium batteries do not need to vent, and if they do vent they are over heating and should be tossed like a grenade, LOL. In reality, few containers for batteries seal "air tight" so it is a non issue.
     
  13. richberstler

    richberstler Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

  14. Keynith

    Keynith Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 13, 2011
    Atlanta
    I run 18650 Panasonic 2900mah button tops. got em from sal at orbronics. i think they were under 10 bucks a pop and if you buy 2 you get a battery case.
     
  15. deepdeep

    deepdeep Full Member

    Dec 12, 2012
    United States
    Can i use Sony 18650VTC4 2000MAH 30AMP Battery on my vamo?
    Thanks in advance
     
  16. xbassman

    xbassman Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 1, 2012
    Tulsa, OK. USA
    Yes...

    You can safely use any unprotected high drain 18650 or 18350 battery in your Vamo.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  17. Gunner83

    Gunner83 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 31, 2012
    US
    For 18650's, I use the Panasonic CGR18650CH's. They have worked great for the last year, and I just picked up some more.

    For 18350's, I use either Trustfires or Ultrafires (can't remember which ones, as I don't use them often). They work fine. I like the shorter profile, but not at the price of shorter run time.
     
  18. EBates

    EBates Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Nov 4, 2013
    Texas
    I use:
    Samsung INR18650-20 flat top - works fine if moved briskly side to side the battery shift may be felt - rattle no - ebay
    Panasonic NCR18650B flat top - works fine if moved briskly side to side the battery shift may be felt - rattle no - local B&M
    Ultrafire XSL18650 button top - works fine in all but my aluminum v2 (too large in dia) if moved briskly side to side no battery shift - rattle no - local B&M
    Tangsfire TRC18650 button top - works fine if moved briskly side to side no battery shift - rattle no - Tiny Trade
    Tenergy ?18650 button top - works fine if moved briskly side to side no battery shift - rattle no - local B&M
    Tried stacking 18350 button tops once but did not like the amount of stress I was putting on the bat spring/control module battery contact. I suspect flat tops would be less of an issue. Vaping with 2-18350s was deemed 'for other people only'.

    Wife uses:
    AW IMR18350, Trustfire, Tangsfire 18350, single button and flat top with no issues. All but the Tangsfire cane from local B&M, Tangsfire from Tiny Trade
     
  19. 350ZMO

    350ZMO Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 7, 2014
    Alabama
    Currently using CGR18650EA Li-ion MH12210, I also use these in LED flashlights. Although they have a green label that says made in Japan I suspect they are chinese knock-offs as I got them off of ebay. They work fine however, been using them for nearly two years.
     
  20. GeorgeIIII

    GeorgeIIII Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 28, 2013
    Kingsport, TN
    I just got my V5 a few days back. Had a VTR that I was using Panasonic 18650B's with. They're flat top batteries and so far i haven't had a problem with them. Quickie note: one thing I've noticed with the V5 is that it has a stronger hit to it than my VTR did. Also seems to burn through the batteries quicker. Sometimes my coils won't fire and I have to take my tank off and jiggle it just a bit to get it to fire again. Seems to happen after I refill my tank. Am going to try an airflow controller, since I've heard stories about soft threads on the 510 connection. Other than these minor niggles it's a good APV.
     

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