The Wizard - Why not?

[nicotime]

Charged you must be part grizzly bear or that .040" is actually mm. lol

Also, I think the metal tube would be expanding at a rate equal to or faster than the glass tube, depending on how well both are being cooled by the fluid. You may have mentioned it before but what is the metal tube made of?

 

[Charged]

My apology yes it is mm not inches 0.004mm. I will edit and fix. average is .001 inches. Thanks for catching that.
The tube is brass.

 

[nicotime]

No problem..we gotta keep each other straight here. LOL I used to have that problem when CNC'ing, and punching in a number in mm instead of inches or vice versa was suicide for the cutters at times.

I am going to try a mock up of this thing today if I get a chance...my boy is hanging on my leg wanting to play though......

Do you think one of the purposes of the tight clearance is to induce a slight pressure of the fluid and restrict it from just blasting out of the end of the tube? It may be a form of automatic regulation right?

 

[Charged]

From my experience with this, when the heater gets up to temperature as the liquid atomizes it expands and kind of shoots out of the end of the tube. You are obviously applying pressure with the air bladder while doing this but the pressure seems amplified as the liquid atomizes, similar to the way a bubble jet printer functions. (reminded me of another thread LOL). I don't think the clearance is as much to restrict (Editdumbass statement yea it's retricting and regulating)) it but more than likely to allow even and fast heating due to the uniformity of the liquid surrounding the glass tube.

Edit: nico you should play with you son. He is way more fun anyway.

 

[nicotime]

I just did an extremely complex scientific experiment. I took 1 drop of each, PG, VG and unflavored 60mg Nicotine in PG, and my homemade 555 juice that has a 50/50 mix of PG/VG. I heated it on a spoon with my alcohol burner. The PG thins and evaporates very quickly with little heat and leaving almost no residue. The unflavored nic and PG about the same. The VG on the other hand takes quite a bit longer and more heat to evaporate it and leaves a slight bit of residue. The 555 evaporates about the same as the unflavored taking a little more heat and leaving a bit more residue than the VG, but I also have PGA in it too. I think if your using VG in this thing it could hasten the clogging problem...but you have probably already realized this. I have noticed that my juices with VG in it do clog the attys more than straight PG.

 

[chrisl317]

Don't know if anyone noticed, I didn't read the whole thread. I've seen this posted on the forum before, looks like a cool home use vaper. Did anyone notice it has "shotgun holes" on the side of the pipe? Seems someone in the design dept. was thinking of alternate uses for it.

 

[nicotime]

Don't know if anyone noticed, I didn't read the whole thread. I've seen this posted on the forum before, looks like a cool home use vaper. Did anyone notice it has "shotgun holes" on the side of the pipe? Seems someone in the design dept. was thinking of alternate uses for it.

I think they were accounting for the fact that hot air rises and for it to come out of the top it needs a place for cool air to come in at.

 

[Charged]

Yes that's what the holes are for. If you cover them the fog just hangs in the tube. You can actually tilt the tube and pour the fog out. Pretty cool actually.

 

[chrisl317]

Yes that's what the holes are for. If you cover them the fog just hangs in the tube. You can actually tit the tube and pour the fog out. Pretty cool actually.

I still think there was a "Head" on the R&D team who was a forward thinker with some dubious past experience from maybe the '60s or '70s!

 

[mrferrit]

I just got done reading the entire thread and this is awesome. I look forward to reading more about this and ordering one very soon.Im following along for advancements on this one.

Thank you Charge for all the research, you are one heck of a guy and im sure having a "blast" doing it lol

 

[SurfVortex]

AMAZING! Beautiful work, Charged and Nico!
Well,seems not all wizards ARE created equal...Been soaking the first Wiz in the vinegar for 4 days now, there are small improvments(read glacial speed).
The part about the diameter of the brass tube in relation to the glass tube inside it is... I can squeeze the trigger of the second wiz when it is upside down and fluid dribbles out. When it is rightside up, a drop easily exits the top of the metal tube and goes into the overflow chamber. With the clogged one, at first could only get a drop of fluid( when upside down) after pushing the bulb 5 or 10 times. After the vinegar soaks it is down to 3 pushes on the bulb to get a drop out. Also,(again upside down) if I hold the trigger down, eventually a drop just comes out. All in all, it is still functionally clogged.
Have not yet broken the glass on the second one, will probably do that in the next couple of days, but it seems like it will be one of the ones that takes kindly to it.
Can't wait for the 'Generator models' to get to you Charged!

 

[nicotime]

Well...I haven't been close up and personal with one cause I AM a CHEAP BASS TURD ...but the only way I see being able to clean that thing is creating quick disconnects for the lead wires so you can pull the glass tube out and run a rod or brush through it.

 

[Charged]

LOL, if the foo shats, JK

SV don't break the second tube yet. I actually don't think it will make a difference.
Nico is right. I need to come up with a fix for the clog issue (vinegar helps but not a fix), give me some time and I'll try to figure something out "You may need to do some work" this is the modders section.

I received "THE GENERATOR", this is what they had available for testing and seemed to think it's better suited for vaping. My honest opinion is NOPE, we want the grand PAPPA but instead we have to settle for the baby version for testing.

The Wizard generator (top) vs what I received (bottom)

Will be getting at this as soon as time will allow. Nico stay tuned

 

[nicotime]

Haha...absolutely

Hey maybe you could run the wiring outside the tube and use speaker wire terminals for disconnects.

 

[jgdovin]

love all the work your doin on this charger. Keep us updated, if we can find out enough about this design, im thinking some of it can be converted to smaller atties. I have some ideas I plan on ordering parts to start building a couple test atties at home, but want to keep up with what your investigating to see what improvements can be made on origional atomizers.

 

[SurfVortex]

Standing by with hacksaw, duct tape and pliers!!!
The 'Mini Me' of the atty is cute, but ,yes we would like the 'beeeg vape'!
Would it be possible to use a slightly larger metal tube? Or would that make spewing chaos?
Or maybe small, thin spacers (like the tiny mystery wire, only bigger) to keep the top opening from sealing?
Hmmmm.........

 

[Charged]

LOL, That's the spirit SV. I'll try to get some more time on this by the weekend, I'm swamped with work and family BS right now.

I thought I had a Wizard that was indestructible (the second one I broke the glass tube on). I've been running every kind of juice I have and it's just been going strong like the energizer bunny. So, last night I mixed up a batch of 25% PG 60mg nic, 65% VG and 10% lorran's kiwi strawberry. It was fairly thick but not real bad. I had thinned the VG a little with water before mixing. Low and behold after about 1 hour of vaping the thing clogged right up. I mean hardly a wisp of vapor and it was quick, not a steady lowering of vapor just plain quit on me. I though my batteries were gone but they were just fine. The tube is heating as I can see it with my temperature probe but the tube is blocked solid, I can't get any flow through it at all. Upside down/right side up/ sideways, nothing. It's taking a vinegar bath tonight and we'll see how it goes.

So I think nico had a good point regarding the VG. It seems VG will clog this faster than anything else. Since the VG requires a much higher temperature to begin vaporizing it may just never get hot enough and just hardens like drying paint. Not really sure but it sure seems that way.

 

[frightline]

Holy cow!!!!!!!!

 

[Charged]

Hey maybe you could run the wiring outside the tube and use speaker wire terminals for disconnects.

Yes nico that's exactly what I'm thinking.

The glass tube and bottom side of the heater is connected and held in place by the feed wire folded over and spot welded to the metal tube down in the liquid tank. Right now they have the electrical connection soldered to the metal tube just below the drain funnel. We can actually make the lower feed connection anywhere we want on the metal tube.

The best aproach would be to drill or grind a hole in the side of the exhaust tube next to where the lower electrical wire is. Get in there with a pair of wire cutters and cut that lower feed wire close to the tube. Then fish the feed wire out through your access hole and solder an extension wire on there. Then fish the extension wire up through the funnel and up and out of the exhaust tube. Next you would clip the top feed wire connected to the glass tube. Solder an extension on both and bring those wires out of the exhaust end. Then solder a feed wire to the side of the metal tube at the top and feed that out the top. Now solder all your wires to a small connector and maybe place it down in the slot that holds the accessory attachments.

When complete just unplug your connector between the feeds and the atomizer tube and you can simply pull the atomizer assembly right out of the exhaust tube and O'ring in the liquid chamber for a good healthy cleaning.

Yea I know, it sounds a bit complicated. I'll give it a go on Saturday and post up instructions with detailed pictures for anyone that wants to attempt it.

Hang tight SV we'll get you fixed up here shortly.

 

[nicotime]

There ya go. Might want to make sure the connector doesn't stress the glass tube wire snapping it when heated.

What is the volt and amp rating on the small generator did they say?