The Wizard - Why not?

[Charged]

It will last a couple weeks keeping the liquid thin before you start noticing the vapor drop off. At the vapor dropoff point it's a crap shoot. I have a couple that still work after a few months but not much vapor there unless they are completely filled and I put some major pressure on the trigger. The vinegar helps as long as it's not completely clogged but I'm not convinced it is the answer.

Higher voltage or maybe I should say constant regulated voltage around 10 volts seems to be the answer to the clog problem. So far the vapor is still consistent after 2 weeks of constant use. The nice thing about using the step-up regulator is when the batteries hit 2.95V the LED turns off and no vapor. This has a couple advantages. It saves the Li-ion batteries. They don't like voltage to fall below 2.7V and the tube won't clog since the voltage to the heating coil remains constant all the way to the end of the battery life.

One note:
When you get yours. You will probably want to run some of the liquid provided with it for a complete fill before adding your own liquid and vaping. There is a small break-in period. If you don't do this you will notice a bit of harsh flavor at the beginning, it will go away after some use though.

Enjoy.

 

[nicotime]

I'm exploring using an adjustable draw method for liquid delivery. Most e-cig users want some kind of draw feeling. Right now the wizard has a sealed chamber and relies on pressure from from a rubber air bladder to force the liquid up the heater tube. If you were to provide a small air hole in the liquid chamber along with a second air hole near the atomizing coil for (adjustable) fresh air entry. You may be able to accomplish that draw feeling and provide enough vacuum to pull the liquid through the tube.

I'm not sure if it will work but plan on giving it a try. Just some rambling thoughts again.

Thanks for the schematic C....now I just gotta put my Vin and get my Vout and put it to her mosfet and I'll be good to go. Actually, I just got back from RS to get a new iron... my 150/230 gun gets kinda heavy after awhile and I'm tired of melting stuff. I'm finally getting my contraption done to deal with these crappy 510 attys I have piling up. Maybe by tonight??

I think your right...without some kind of drag to it our spleen just wont be in the right place when we pull hard on that special juice.

Well...I gotta get back to burnin' shyt up...

 

[Dave_uk]

Hi Dan

Yes but it is less than 150ml/min which I could control the 5ml easier than the 150ml

Yes.. point taken

But I think it is a bust at 1pcs costs 165€.

Ouch.

 

[Charged]

Thanks for the schematic C....now I just gotta put my Vin and get my Vout and put it to her mosfet and I'll be good to go. Actually, I just got back from RS to get a new iron... my 150/230 gun gets kinda heavy after awhile and I'm tired of melting stuff. I'm finally getting my contraption done to deal with these crappy 510 attys I have piling up. Maybe by tonight??

I think your right...without some kind of drag to it our spleen just wont be in the right place when we pull hard on that special juice.

Well...I gotta get back to burnin' shyt up...

No prob nico.
I just love your tenacity and inquisitive nature. I soooo much enjoy your comments. Just looking forward to the day we may finally meet.

I wish I could find the time to work on this (and many other) project more, but 4 children and 4 brothers with several children each makes it tough.... I mean it makes it really tough.

Hope you get those 510 thingies worked out.

 

[nicotime]

That would be cool C...probably dangerous ...but cool. You ever head down to the DC area you'll have to stop by.

I got the "saving the 510" built but I'm beginning to lose hope for the busted 510 attys...and the "working" ones at times. I think I will continue with the glass tube atty...at least its more predictable. I might post the pics on that thread tomorrow in case somebody wants to play with the idea. We need a way to meter the juice supply in the blind or make clear parts.

 

[SurfVortex]

I'm exploring using an adjustable draw method for liquid delivery. Most e-cig users want some kind of draw feeling. Right now the wizard has a sealed chamber and relies on pressure from from a rubber air bladder to force the liquid up the heater tube. If you were to provide a small air hole in the liquid chamber along with a second air hole near the atomizing coil for (adjustable) fresh air entry. You may be able to accomplish that draw feeling and provide enough vacuum to pull the liquid through the tube.

I'm not sure if it will work but plan on giving it a try. Just some rambling thoughts again.

I like this idea very much. In the spirit of the mini-juice box mods, why not hook up a bottom-feed-atty-on-the-straw configuration. Then have it carburated (hole in the side of the atty housing/mouthpiece) for fresh air draw.
Hope that made sense just wanted to encourage the idea for those who may have more time and a larger skill/tool set than I, at present.
Cheers!

 

[nicotime]

I like this idea very much. In the spirit of the mini-juice box mods, why not hook up a bottom-feed-atty-on-the-straw configuration. Then have it carburated (hole in the side of the atty housing/mouthpiece) for fresh air draw.
Hope that made sense just wanted to encourage the idea for those who may have more time and a larger skill/tool set than I, at present.
Cheers!

Where you been hidin' Surf...You know its not the size of your tool its the depth of the socket.

I figured you would be blowin' tubes by now...uhhh...the quartz ones that is.

Dont be a stranger!!!

 

[Bobnoxious]

I've been watching this thread on and off. I'm a good electronics guy, and even better with liquid flow. But that doesn't mean I know everthing about what you are trying to do. That pump animation I saw a few pages back was a positive displacement pump. Meaning it's going to send the same amount of liquid per rotation, assuming no air in the liquid. I had 2 thoughts while reading the last few pages. Send the liquid at whatever speed, and collect unused liquid in a reservoir. Or split the flow down 2 pipes, 1 small and one large. The smaller one is the feeder, the larger one going back to the 'tank'. Or just gravity feed the liquid.

Anyhow, sorry to interrupt.

 

[SurfVortex]

Where you been hidin' Surf...You know its not the size of your tool its the depth of the socket.

I figured you would be blowin' tubes by now...uhhh...the quartz ones that is.

Dont be a stranger!!!

Thanks, Nico!
Had a head full of goop, couldn't find which socket was deep enough to blow the goop drain tube...let alone use punctuation politely!8-o
Good to be back, I always follow this thread!
As far as projects go, I need to prioritize my ideas, there's a lot of inspiration around here. Also, fast-paced talent!
I'll letcha know when I figure out which direction to start blowing my tubes............
BTW, welcome to the thread Bob!

 

[Dave_uk]

split the flow down 2 pipes, 1 small and one large. The smaller one is the feeder, the larger one going back to the 'tank'. Or just gravity feed the liquid.

Sugesseted that concept about 3 pages back, but it fell on stony ground.

gravity feed

, needs height and the thickness / temperature of the juice will affect the results..

Plan 278b ..
Very small air pump to maintain a positive pressure on the juice reservoir, air release valve fitted on container or air pump feed that's set to vent excessive pressure, valve on juice flow to atomizer.. either opened by a manual on / off control or electrical on / off or timed pulses (if the on period only needs to be in the order of fractions of a second.

 

[Iceshack]

http://www.takasago-elec.com/img/proinfo/sdmp.jpg

Worth looking at.I am sure you all know about these but just in case,there is a pen style pump that is being worked on that might have some other use as well.I am impressed with all the great work that has been put into this. Dan and Charged You two rock.

 

[Iceshack]

Here is one that is .45ml per.It might just work
Takasago Electric, is where I got this from.Take a look at the
Transfer pump RP-Q1 Series

 

[Bobnoxious]

Sugesseted that concept about 3 pages back, but it fell on stony ground.

Ah, sorry. Reading the latest entries regarding excessive flow, my thoughts came to 'recirculating systems'.

BTW, welcome to the thread Bob!

Thanks!

 

[Aras]

juice .......

 

[Charged]

Thank you for the comments and ideas. From what I've read they are pretty much what has been brought up in previous discussions. This thread is a product of the Wizard, and is based on using what has already been developed. The plan is to improve on that.

We have a decent "vapor friendly" representation of the original design. I think we have alternative objectives here. Most want to see a new 510 atomizer and I want a new Wizard atomizer. The liquid delivery methods can be any one of 100 ways.

I can tell you this for sure.... Crap in = Crap out..... Based on my tests, If you put anything that has color in it....... your life as far as vaping is concerned will be short lived. It's a matter of chemistry pure and simple.

 

[Bobnoxious]

Most want to see a new 510 atomizer and I want a new Wizard atomizer.

Nope. Just interested in seeing you guys succeed in turning a child's toy into a usable PV.

I'll keep my comments to myself. But, I have subscribed to the thread, so that I don't miss any new developments.

Happy tinkering!

 

[Iceshack]

I am totally with you there.I think this is a great unit

 

[Charged]

Nope. Just interested in seeing you guys succeed in turning a child's toy into a usable PV.

I'll keep my comments to myself. But, I have subscribed to the thread, so that I don't miss any new developments.

Happy tinkering!

Please accept my apology. We love new ideas and would never disparage your thoughts. Please post back comments. This is a colaboration of thoughts and ideas. I think at least for me, I have moved past the atomizer stage and am now looking for a packaging method,

The idea of returning excess fluid was addresed in the second post of ths thread. The Wizard already does this. I don't want to ignore any help but the return method of fluid is not a problem. Dan's method of sealing the heating chamber from the air chamber is a good and sound approach.

 

[Scubabatdan]

Please accept my apology. We love new ideas and would never disparage your thoughts. Please post back comments. This is a colaboration of thoughts and ideas. I think at leat for me, I have moved past the atomizer stage and am now looking for a packaging method,

The idea of returning excess fluid was addresed in the second post of ths thread. The Wizard already does this. I don't want to ignore any help but the return method of fluid is not a problem. Dan's method of sealing the heating chamber from the air chamber is a good and sound approach.

Yes but if if I can not get the pump I want, then I may have to settle and still end up using a split flow method to reduce flow rate as bob and dave suggested. Sorry been jumping in alot to read but not enough time to post. I will have a 1.5 week break comming up from school and finally finish July 31 on my BS degree in IT Managment!! Then I will have loads of time.

@ Dave and Bob, please keep the ideas comming I like what you have to say and take everything into account when trying to get this working. If either of you or anyone else would like some 1mm or 2mm OD quartz tubing I still have some left. Already cut into 6" sections, PM me and I will send you the details.

Thanks again
Dan

 

[Bobnoxious]

Please accept my apology. We love new ideas and would never disparage your thoughts.

@ Dave and Bob, please keep the ideas comming I like what you have to say and take everything into account when trying to get this working.

Not an issue for me. I am totally guilty of not reading all 68 pages. But, I plan on it. I read a couple dozen pages in the beginning, and lost the thread. Found it again, read some more, lost it, yada yada. Now I'm subscribed. I'll go back to the beginning.

No worries tho, it's fully entertaining to me. The idea of turning a childs toy into a usable PV is hilarious to me, but the mechanics and technology behind it is awesome. Let me see if I can't catch up. Hell, maybe I'll even dust off the old workbench.