Thermo @ 6v + dual coil cartos

[LegioX]

First off, the Spark Plug2 is great. I'm currently running 3.6 volts with the dual coil cartomizers with JC espresso and the taste is great and vapor is pretty good. I'd recommend the starter kit to everyone...comes with a free thermo tube, a steal for $35 shipped

So i threw some 3v tenergy lifepo4 batteries into the thermo to see how these dual coils perform @ 6volts. Now the highest I have vaped at is 5volts, so bear with me.

If I pull it for 2 seconds, I get a cloud of smoke, almost double what I can cap out with my 3.6volts. However, the taste is VERY different. Its very hot, of course, and the juice tastes almost like its burning, but I can't quit be sure if something is actually burning. I dared not vape it any longer until I got some feedback.

Assuming this should work, the only thing I could think of was that parts of the filler in the dual coil cartos may not have been totally saturated. So I made 100% sure it was filled to the max and tried again...same thing. Tastes on the verge of something burnt and is very very hot vapor. Not sure I could get used to it, I'm sure 6v isn't for everyone.

However can anyone comment on the taste comparison from 3.6 to 6volts? Should the taste be diluted and masked by heat/burning taste? Very curious, I was totally looking forward to vaping @ 6v.

Also does anyone have any links to a guide on using atomizers? My 510 expert atty is coming tomorrow and I'm wondering if there are things I should know before I throw on my tank cartridge and vape away...and I have no idea what will happen at 6 volts with that.

Thanks for reading, any insight on these things would be amazing

LegioX

 

[Nomoreash]

You need a high ohm atty for vaping at 6v. If you use the same regular ohm atty at 6v as you do at 3.7 then 6v will heat it up alot more and give what you're describing plus will take the atty to an early death. You're putting around 3 x the wattage on the same atty at 6v.

If you go punch some numbers in to the calculator at the link below it might help clear it up. There's a HUGE wattage difference using the same ohm atty.

Ohm's Law / Watt's Law Calculator

 

[LegioX]

Thanks nomo, not exactly sure what any of those calculations mean and what the results conclude, but will look into it.

Also, I realized I have to pull harder on this device than I'm used to, so for the 3.6v device with dual coils its giving me a lot more vapor than it was previously. However @ 6v its still unvapable for me.

 

[six]

You need to take shorter pulls at 6.0v. Of course you mentioned that you are, but you need to shorten it even more. A 1 second pull from a dual coil at 6.0v is more vapor than a 5 second pull at 3.7v.

Also, when your batteries are fresh off the charger, you may be way above 6.0v. I have a set of the Lifepo4's from madvapes and they come off the charger around 3.5 volts. it takes a few drags to get them down to 3.2. So, if yours are anything like mine, you're vaping 7.0v for a little while before they drop to their normal range.

I've been using the dual coils for a few weeks now. I use them at 3.7, 5.0, and 6.0v. If my 5.0v batteries lasted longer, I'd probably use them exclusively. I like 6.0v but my thinner juices scorch if I'm not careful (just like what happened to you). Thicker juices don't seem to scorch as easily (thick and dark like back woods brew applewood), but at 7.0v, even the thickest I have will get that taste.

 

[LegioX]

You need to take shorter pulls at 6.0v. Of course you mentioned that you are, but you need to shorten it even more. A 1 second pull from a dual coil at 6.0v is more vapor than a 5 second pull at 3.7v.

Also, when your batteries are fresh off the charger, you may be way above 6.0v. I have a set of the Lifepo4's from madvapes and they come off the charger around 3.5 volts. it takes a few drags to get them down to 3.2. So, if yours are anything like mine, you're vaping 7.0v for a little while before they drop to their normal range.

I've been using the dual coils for a few weeks now. I use them at 3.7, 5.0, and 6.0v. If my 5.0v batteries lasted longer, I'd probably use them exclusively. I like 6.0v but my thinner juices scorch if I'm not careful (just like what happened to you). Thicker juices don't seem to scorch as easily (thick and dark like back woods brew applewood), but at 7.0v, even the thickest I have will get that taste.

^This makes a lot of sense. Would it be smart to hold the button down on my thermo with the batteries in and no atomizer attached? Just to burn the batteries for a little?

I may actually try VG then at the 6+ volts and see how that goes. I'm using PG based at the moment. At this point though I'm not digging the thermo, especially since you mention juices getting that scorch taste. I want to pull for a few seconds and get some flavor, drag it out, so to speak. I was wrong to try such a high voltage I guess.

I wonder if they make 4.5-5v batteries that would work for the spark plug and fit.

Thanks!

 

[six]

I wonder if they make 4.5-5v batteries that would work for the spark plug and fit.

There is indeed a 5.0v battery that is the same size as an 18650. For the moment, I only know of one vendor. Electronicstix sells two different 5.0v batts and the one for the megaladon is the one I use in my maxi roughstack. Madvapes will be selling the same (or very similar) battery in the near future, so availability on those will be good.

If you buy the 5.0v batt, follow the instructions. Electronicstix says to leave the batts on the charger for 5 or 6 hours even if the charge light turns green. They aren't kidding about that.

 

[LegioX]

Cool webstore. Do you know if those batteries are protected? I don't think those will fit my spark plug however, I need around 34-35 x 17mm

 

[six]

Cool webstore. Do you know if those batteries are protected? I don't think those will fit my spark plug however, I need around 34-35 x 17mm

They are safe chemistry so no need for a protection circuit. I don't have a spark plug but I did look at the web site that sells them the other day... If I understood your post correctly, you said you're running a pair of rcr123 lifepo4 batts for 6.0v? If your batts are rcr123s, then your tube should handle 65 mm length. The 5.0v megaladon batt is actually a 17mm diameter batt (not 18 as I indicated by saying it was the same size as an 18650) and pretty close to 65mm long.

 

[LegioX]

They are safe chemistry so no need for a protection circuit. I don't have a spark plug but I did look at the web site that sells them the other day... If I understood your post correctly, you said you're running a pair of rcr123 lifepo4 batts for 6.0v? If your batts are rcr123s, then your tube should handle 65 mm length. The 5.0v megaladon batt is actually a 17mm diameter batt (not 18 as I indicated by saying it was the same size as an 18650) and pretty close to 65mm long.

Ah true enough. In the tube I have 2 batts with a length of 69mm total if you add them both up and they are already just a tad bit loose. Will have to check it out, that will be perfect if it fits and works. Are there 'gap fillers' ?

 

[six]

Are there 'gap fillers' ?

There are a few ways to deal with that if the tube is a little too long. The easiest thing to do is stretch the spring a little. There are also some rare earth magnets people use between their batteries that can be used as spacers. Ecigsupply carries those. -- And since I'm thinking of ecigsupply: They have an interesting product called the terminator but it's currently out of stock for 510 threads.

 

[Modrod.]

You need to take shorter pulls at 6.0v. Of course you mentioned that you are, but you need to shorten it even more. A 1 second pull from a dual coil at 6.0v is more vapor than a 5 second pull at 3.7v.

Also, when your batteries are fresh off the charger, you may be way above 6.0v. I have a set of the Lifepo4's from madvapes and they come off the charger around 3.5 volts. it takes a few drags to get them down to 3.2. So, if yours are anything like mine, you're vaping 7.0v for a little while before they drop to their normal range.

I've been using the dual coils for a few weeks now. I use them at 3.7, 5.0, and 6.0v. If my 5.0v batteries lasted longer, I'd probably use them exclusively. I like 6.0v but my thinner juices scorch if I'm not careful (just like what happened to you). Thicker juices don't seem to scorch as easily (thick and dark like back woods brew applewood), but at 7.0v, even the thickest I have will get that taste.

I had the same issue at 6v with those batteries. I found a solution to that by getting these batteries. They work good, last a bit longer and don't overcharge as much as the yellows (green now) did. The come back down to 3.0 fairly quick after they come off the charger. I bought this package set.

 

[LegioX]

I had the same issue at 6v with those batteries. I found a solution to that by getting these batteries. They work good, last a bit longer and don't overcharge as much as the yellows (green now) did. The come back down to 3.0 fairly quick after they come off the charger. I bought this package set.

LOL I had that on back order from battery junction and just told them to cancel it because I had these Lifepo4 ones coming, since I ordered them after that fact because I heard they are 'safer'. Thanks for the heads up though may be worth renewing that order. I'm not sure so much the extra points of voltage are 100% the problem though, i mean is 7 is unvapable for me then I feel like 6 will still be too much anyway. I just might not be into the higher voltages like I thought I would be. 3.7 is great, but a notch up definately wouldn't be bad.

 

[LegioX]

That is the coolest product ever! Looks a bit confusing and I'm sure you need a voltometer thing to test the actual voltage? Still, thats pretty crazy as just an addon piece compatible with everything. Thats worth a bookmark. So with 6 volts I can turn it to 3.5, 4.5, etc? Sounds win.

And thats perfect I have a ton of rare earth magnets that I use for my wargaming hobby!, putting under miniatures bases so they stick to a steel movement tray, lol.
Where can I place these, in between batteries or on the negative side? Thats a huge help thank you. I will definitely buy that 5v batt and charger, I think 5 volts sounds about right. How long does yours last? I see its only 600mah, but sounds like it could last about a whole day of moderate vaping. Is the overcharge okay?

oh by the way...i see the 5v charger says is specifically charges the makso battery, do you know how to charge the megladon?

 

[Modrod.]

I hear ya. 3.7v didn't cut it for me. I vape at 6v with 3.2-3.5 ohm carto's with good results. Low resistance may offer you what your looking for though. I know dual coils are technically LR but maybe some standard LR carto's might do the trick (if you haven't already gone that route). The other option would be a variable volt or 5v mod.

 

[LegioX]

M0Dr0d, it is indeed hard to tell with dual coil cartomizers as this is my first batch, so there any factors to work in; defects, variable resistance. A true LR carto would be good a test. But wouldn't increasing the resistance also decrease the burning taste? I thought of it the lower the resistance the hotter the coil will get. What if you used like a 2.0 ohm with 6 volts? I'm just curious because the dual coils are varying anywhere from 1.4 to 1.6 i have heard, so maybe its also possible mine are towards the lower end, and creating an even hotter juice?

 

[Modrod.]

Yes, increasing the resistance will decrease the burning taste. That's why I use higher ohm carto's at 6v. A 2.0 ohm would fry instantly on 6v. The coil would get too hot and pop. Not to mention the filler would burn. You need at least 3.0 ohm or higher at 6v to avoid popping them and burning. I find 3.2 ohm works well at 6v. I'm currently using 3.5 ohm clearomizers that work very well also.

 

[six]

do you know how to charge the megladon?

It's the same charger for either battery. -

How long they last.. Well, I'm vaping a ton lately (partially due to new toys and partly due to a new flavor I can't get enough of and partly because 5 and 6v uses more juice than 3.7) . I'm vaping out 5 filled dual coils a day plus at least one top-off. I'm only getting about 3.5 hours per 5.0v batt. That's maybe 1 full carto and part of another one.

 

[six]

You need at least 3.0 ohm or higher at 6v to avoid popping them and burning. I find 3.2 ohm works well at 6v. I'm currently using 3.5 ohm clearomizers that work very well also.

The dual coils are two 3.2 ohm coils in series for a total resistance of 1.6 ohms.

 

[Modrod.]

The dual coils are two 3.2 ohm coils in series for a total resistance of 1.6 ohms.

They're still not impervious to burning. That's the nature of filler carto's. They were also not designed to run at 6v but they can be as some have had success with them.

 

[LegioX]

The whole ohm to voltage set up is confusing for me. I've had my KR8 burn juice with a 2.4-2.6 ohm and yet a 3.0 ohm could sustain a 6 volt as well as a dual coil which equals 1.6? Lol, I might be better off buy buying 1 of every resistance level available and just figuring it out the monetary way.

But for example the 1.6 dual coil, they're now offering it in 1.25, so this would burn juice even quicker than the current one correct? I would think people would have wanted a higher one than 1.6, since these dual coil ohms are apparently magical lol.

But I really need to try 6v again with like a 3.5 or 4.0 ohm I THINK is what I'm getting from this...with dual coils just confusing me altogether unless I'm getting a good vape from them lol. But now that I've given it more testing, even at 3.6 these dual coils are a little hot, no where near burning or anything, but the taste just isn't as full as it could be.

Trying Ikenvapes gold v2 cartomizers tommorow...will see how that goes