They ain't done yet!

[cobaltblue]

E-cigarette sales are growing 7 percent annually, while tobacco cigarette sales are down 17 percent, according to reports by the Chicago Tribune. The rest of the article...

Fredericksburg.com - A safe alternative, or a risky experiment? - page 1 FLS

Here's one that made me laugh. I used to smoke Virginia Slims 120s. I'd save the upc codes and once a year the company would mail a catalog and I could turn them in for gifts. They also sent coupons several times a year.

Three years ago the catalogs stopped coming and I would have to call and request one. Poor analog companies had to tighten the budget, you know. lol A year and a half or so ago they discontinued the catalog and also stopped sending the coupons. It was after that I "discontinued" them.

Probably should have sent them a thank you note.

So last week I go to my mailbox and there they were...analog coupons for the first time in ages. Sales must definitely be down. Poor things. lol

 

[Switched]

LOL looks good on 'em.

 

[Nuck]

FDA Request to Appeal Rejected By U.S. Court of Appeals : Law - International Vapers Club

It's bottom of the 9th and the FDA is down 3 runs

 

[monsieur_net]

Interesting note on Canadian law - nicotine, in doses under 4mg (per dose) is supposed to be exempt from requiring any formal regulatory application or approval.
this is what's supposed to be fair for otc sales and marketing:
a) in natural substances;
(b) in the form of a chewing gum containing 4 mg or less of nicotine per dosage unit;
(c) in the form of a transdermal patch with a delivery rate of 22 mg or less of nicotine per day;
(d) in a form to be administered orally by means of an inhalation device delivering 4 mg or less of nicotine per dosage unit; or
(e) in the form of a lozenge containing 4 mg or less of nicotine per dosage unit

the ecig is covered by clause (d) - but I think hc is pushing to have an additional clause slipped in there.

If my math and my logic are correct...

That law state that "in a form to be administered orally by means of an inhalation device delivering 4 mg or less of nicotine per dosage unit"

I usualy use 3-4 drops of juice containing "20mg/ml", 4 drops represent at most 1/5 of a ml which contain 4mg of nicotine or less, and that IMO is a good dose. Of course I use many doses everyday, but it never cross my mind to ingest a full 1ml of nic-juice in a single dose.

???

 

[dopeh]

If my math and my logic are correct...

That law state that "in a form to be administered orally by means of an inhalation device delivering 4 mg or less of nicotine per dosage unit"

I usualy use 3-4 drops of juice containing "20mg/ml", 4 drops represent at most 1/5 of a ml which contain 4mg of nicotine or less, and that IMO is a good dose. Of course I use many doses everyday, but it never cross my mind to ingest a full 1ml of nic-juice in a single dose.

???

Yeah, we all know they are full of ...., we just have to convince THEM of that fact.

 

[kanadiankat]

If my math and my logic are correct...

That law state that "in a form to be administered orally by means of an inhalation device delivering 4 mg or less of nicotine per dosage unit" ..... I usualy use 3-4 drops of juice containing "20mg/ml", 4 drops represent at most 1/5 of a ml which contain 4mg of nicotine or less, and that IMO is a good dose. Of course I use many doses everyday, but it never cross my mind to ingest a full 1ml of nic-juice in a single dose.
???

The issue on dosage is pretty clear - ecigs are well within regulation.

I think Switched really switched the light on with this thread.

Their (hc's) current stand is similar (ie: identical) to the FDA contention that ecigs are "a drug delivery device". A definition that would give them all the latitude now and in the future. Medical devices and medicines are at the mercy of regulatory authorities - legislation gives power absolute to hc (and to FDA).

I'm going to guess that hc is working hard to get ecigs categorized with medicine and medical devices - because it would remove them from current law and place them directly under their regulatory control. So court cases and other arguements would be moot.

The market here in the great white north is still small enough that a good strong fight is not expected.

We should do the unexpected.

 

[Switched]

That is sorta where I was going. PVs and paraphernalia are cool although even that is iffy if we read properly. OTOH it is quite explicit that nicotine in Canada is a control substance.

That being said the FDA is seizing shipments without authority. In Canada OTOH, there is a ban just like the UK. That is the difference.

 

[kanadiankat]

That is sorta where I was going. PVs and paraphernalia are cool although even that is iffy if we read properly. OTOH it is quite explicit that nicotine in Canada is a control substance.

That being said the FDA is seizing shipments without authority. In Canada OTOH, there is a ban just like the UK. That is the difference.

The "ban" in Canada is not a legal one. It's based on an internal policy - not a law. The law is very clear on nicotine: it's only a controlled substance in doses higher than 4mg per single dose and in chemical formulations only. (So tomatoes can't be banned because they contain naturally occuring nicotine).

The controlled substance part also doesn't speak to a ban - it just controls who can possess and use nicotine in chemical formulations over 4mg per dose... (research labs, industrial farms, pharma companies, etc).

It would seem to me, that by the current laws - someone IS overstepping their boundaries (and they are getting dirty footprints all over my ideological stand on democracy)....

I'm still on the learning curve of how to challenge the ban - as a policy it has some protection through an act of legislation....

...maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree - but it looks like the best way to go forward is via the office doors of mp's - who have the power to call in question mis-use of legislative authority....

 

[dopeh]

Kat for prez!

 

[BlondieLocs]

Kat for prez!

You mean PM

 

[dopeh]

You mean PM

I'm kind of afraid that bestowing the title of PM would immediately make him her ......ed, so I went with prez. We should just go back to monarchy tbh, too many cooks and all that.

 

[rachelcoffe]

I'm kind of afraid that bestowing the title of PM would immediately make him ......ed, so I went with prez. We should just go back to monarchy tbh, too many cooks and all that.

dopeh, Kat's a girl.

 

[dopeh]

dopeh, Kat's a girl.

Ah ok, fixed! But I ain't changing my vote.