Well, I'm going to live forever or die trying. Wish me luck ;D
In all seriousness, though, you're right.
They are fudging the numbers.
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Well, I'm going to live forever or die trying. Wish me luck ;D
In all seriousness, though, you're right.
Just so you know a recent statistic showed that if a metro hits the earth it will be 100% the fault of 67% of smokers.
I've seen and felt the effects of smoking first hand. It's not really about the cause of death for me as it is the quality of life.
I could die by a horrible car accident, but if the years leading up to that did not include coughing my guts out and smelling like an ashtray all the time, would you say that was better quality of life?
I could die by a horrible car accident, but if the years leading up to that did not include coughing my guts out and smelling like an ashtray all the time, would you say that was better quality of life?
This is the most intellectually irresponsible post I think I have seen on ECF.
Well.... they were large animals... they probably changed the climate from excess methane. Isn't that what is going to get us now because we have too many cattle to feed the population with? The last time I tried an all veggie diet, I created quite a lot of methane myself.. I personally would rather some other animal I eat do that for me
They've now cured HIV in a few cases, if that's what you're referring to.
One case that was all over the news recently was a newborn baby who was infected via the mother, but cured completely with a combination of treatments.
Which part of it, and on what grounds? I think he is illustrating the ridiculous nature of the politically-driven and absurd statistics with a bit of his own ironic flim-flam statistics...
What I don't see are any sources given, any studies offered, any acknowledgement of the international science, he's reducing it to some boogeyman called "They" ...who's "They?" and where are "They?"
These kids now days, with all the sanitary wipes, fast food, chemicals in foods, shots for their shots, how are they going to end up aging? They won't be naturally immune to anything, obese, and what does that do to their health? Heck, when I was a kid we played in the dirt, if you dropped food on a CLEAN floor it was nothing to try to beat the dog to pick it up and eat it. We got our shots, but how many of these new strains of illness is due to all the vaccinations against old ones? And then there are the drugs for the side effects of your prescribed drugs....
Not the same, but I have dogs. The current 2 had puppy shots only, no "yearly" vaccinations except for the 3 year rabies only because it is required. We travel the country to dog shows with our business so they are both exposed to everything that passes through. They eat a good diet (not Walmart Old Roy) and get regular exercise. One is 13 and is in perfect health, never had any health issues. His only "issues" now are age related (me too!). The other is 6 and the same. I expect her to age as well and the older one. OK, these are dogs, but there are similarities.
Off topic? Yes, but to read the stats on health, I can just imagine how my son in the military will age with all the vaccinations they give him. I bet these kids now days in their sterile environment will have problems other that second hand smoke which WE no longer spew.
Not the same, but I have dogs. The current 2 had puppy shots only, no "yearly" vaccinations except for the 3 year rabies only because it is required. We travel the country to dog shows with our business so they are both exposed to everything that passes through. They eat a good diet (not Walmart Old Roy) and get regular exercise. One is 13 and is in perfect health, never had any health issues. His only "issues" now are age related (me too!). The other is 6 and the same. I expect her to age as well and the older one. OK, these are dogs, but there are similarities.
Off topic? Yes, but to read the stats on health, I can just imagine how my son in the military will age with all the vaccinations they give him. I bet these kids now days in their sterile environment will have problems other that second hand smoke which WE no longer spew.
He probably got it from the Internet therefore it must be true.
I actually read the OP as a tongue in cheek skewed stat that the OP ran across on his search for statistical data. Data that he tried to make sense out of but mathematically could not get the numbers to crunch correctly.
Some things are not to be taken so seriously. Life is too short to sweat the small stuff. If you want something to take seriously, join CASAA and join in the fight for our right to vape.
I did, will you? If you have....sweeeeet!
. If you haven't already, please join. We need more people on the front lines, so to speak.They are everywhere! They hide under your bed and whisper in your ear from around corners...
But in this case, I think the OP is talking in a more general sense. Such as the average person sitting in front of the TV "knows as fact" because they "heard it somewhere", and is actually expressing the same frustration as yourself for the lack do ACTUAL verifiable sources to this "common" knowledge. It is a general habit of people trying to prove a point (news people, politicians, etc) to make a statement without any backup. But because they are looked at as a "trusted" source, the average person just accepts it.
But in this case, I think the OP is talking in a more general sense. Such as the average person sitting in front of the TV "knows as fact" because they "heard it somewhere", and is actually expressing the same frustration as yourself for the lack do ACTUAL verifiable sources to this "common" knowledge. It is a general habit of people trying to prove a point (news people, politicians, etc) to make a statement without any backup. But because they are looked at as a "trusted" source, the average person just accepts it.
He probably got it from the Internet therefore it must be true.
I actually read the OP as a tongue in cheek skewed stat that the OP ran across on his search for statistical data. Data that he tried to make sense out of but mathematically could not get the numbers to crunch correctly.
Some things are not to be taken so seriously. Life is too short to sweat the small stuff. If you want something to take seriously, join CASAA and join in the fight for our right to vape.
I did, will you? If you have....sweeeeet!
Well, I can see my "publicist" Robin0 has already answered for me. No offense, KerryK if my post seemed a bit chippy. I simply meant what the gentle Robino said with greater tact than a loud-mouthed lion is capable of.
He probably got it from the Internet therefore it must be true.
I actually read the OP as a tongue in cheek skewed stat that the OP ran across on his search for statistical data. Data that he tried to make sense out of but mathematically could not get the numbers to crunch correctly.
Some things are not to be taken so seriously. Life is too short to sweat the small stuff. If you want something to take seriously, join CASAA and join in the fight for our right to vape.
I did, will you? If you have....sweeeeet!
We definitely need people that can quote the statistics commenting on articles in the newspapers and on the internet. Some facts to counteract some of the absurd things that antis and the ignorant spout. I joined CASAA because e cigs are the best thing that ever happened to me health wise and they are a great organization with really smart and dedicated people working for THR. I'm starting to think we need to call it smoking harm reduction.
So then this was satire? I was suppose to laugh when I read this? Sorry, I thought you were serious...."The anti smokers are contributing any sickness that a person may get to smoking" I mean no one would arbitrarily make this kind of accusation....but your right, it's just words...no biggie.
Here's some reading material I'm going thru:
Medical costs of smoking in the United States: estimates, their validity, and their implications -- Warner et al. 8 (3): 290 -- Tobacco Control
And yes, I'm already a CASA member....
Medical costs of smoking in the United States: estimates, their validity, and their implications -- Warner et al. 8 (3): 290 -- Tobacco Control
And yes, I'm already a CASA member....
Apparently kind words or blunt words get the same reaction. You should go to the CASAA meeting tonight. My point is that I took the OP as satire, and I will leave it at that.
That statement that you quoted of mine, was in fact serious. Wow. Since you have joined CASAA (two AA's at the end) you are familiar with Kristin. It was in reading Kristin's many posts on this sort of thing that really made sense to me. I wish I could find that post where she does in fact point out what I have pointed out in the statement of mine that you quoted and made mockery of.
I wish you well and continued success in your vaping journey.
All the above are my opinions and are valid thoughts, just as yours are valid to you.
I'm a funeral director and have been in the death care field for 20 years. By my "seat of my pants" research, dealing with thousands of cases, smoking kills very few people at a young age, i.e. 40's, 50's, and 60's. The state of Maryland has had the question, "Did tobacco use contribute to the cause of death?" on our death certificates for about 15 years. I have only seen about five cases where the doctor checked yes. Even in cases where it would seem obvious, most doctors will check the "unknown" box. The fact is that it is very hard to tell if smoking causes certain diseases on an individual basis since many of us are predisposed, genetically, to certain diseases. I applaud these doctors for staying true to science and not caving to political pressure. It was due to doctors complaints that the "unknown" box was added. When the question was first put on death certificates the only choices were, yes, no, and maybe.
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