So, I know there is a Wiki on here, and plenty of places to go for a history lesson, but a big topic of conversation had been "Knock-offs" and these are things I thought I knew that have been clarified for me.
510: This is what I started on in 2009. It was from Joyetech and I used the manual button batteries. This was the first thing I tried to return to when I decided it was time to vape again. I kept getting "Knock-offs." Which to me, at the time, was any Non-Joytech. Finally I went to Joyetechs website to find out more about their batteries. I found out about the EGO, and the set up for the tank style EGO-C System. I had that as my first starter kit, and as my original experience with vaping was that the whole setup needed constant maintanence, leaked all over, and was a pain if you didnt constantly tweak things, I wasn't unhappy.
Then I found out one of the batteries I picked up later, while being an ego, wasn't Joyetech. I thought I was robbed! I thought I needed revenge, I thought i'd give it a try. Not a bad battery. I don't know who first made the EGO, but Ego style batteries are made by a lot of quality companies. I like Smok, they are less expensive, have shown more durability, less threading problems, etc... So, is it a knock off if it's EGO by SMOK, NO. A Knock off, to me, Is a company trying to tell you their batteries are Joyetech, Smok, Vision, when they come in a package marked Made in Mexico(they should come from China). Ego's have a serial number I believe, and you can look up wether the battery you purchased was a real Joyetech. Some have not been, and the supplier has been unable to supply the name of the company that made it. That is a bad thing. I try to send those back before problems start. If your company is selling good products, you shouldn't be lying about the manufacturer.
Another, is it a rip off or not is the CE4 and CE5 Atomizers. Again, lots of companies make them. I was told Vision is the original designer. I have found I prefer the Innokin iClear 16. I have seen these in many varying qualities, from obviously bad, to very good and less expensive.
Another thing I had wished I was told more about was Battery strength VS ohms. A lot of people will tell you Low Res is great, and it can be. If you don't buy a Smok 4.2V battery. if you do, and you attach a 1.8ohm'd EVOD you will probably regret it. There are charts all over this forum for where your voltage should be with certain Ohm's, and then you get the double coils thrown in and it all goes to shenanigans.
Rule 1 for any habit or hobby, read up on the jargon. It will seem complicated at first, but it is only as hard as you make it. This forum can hook you up with good suppliers. Those suppliers can get you a battery, atomizer (Clearomizer, cartomizer, anything that makes the vapor), Charger, and case. Start simple. Then move up. If you are shopping local, go to a vape shop, not a smoke shop. If the person selling you a set doean't vape, not the best person to buy from. It's like asking a Vegan waiter what the steak is like.
Most Cigarette looking systems are weak and more complicated than you want to start on, or require a lot more pieces and maintanence. Making your new habit more expensive than your old. Read through here, Go watch some youtubes, see what vaping 101 really is. I settled on an EGO-C, and if I hadn't known there was more to vaping I would have stopped there. Because I followed my own rules, but still didn't remember to ask if the person selling it to me knew anything about the Ego-C setup or If they had used it. I went in acting confident so I wouldn't get treated like a newbie, and I ended up with a system that has some flaws in it that you need to know how to work around to get a good experience out of it.
Now, it's been a few months. I know what I like, I know some things I don't like. I have a mod, I have multiple flavors and strengths. I'm over the newbie feeling, and I still ask the sales clerks a lot of questions. Especially in a big city like Salt Lake, where there are 2 majorly popular places to by from (1 which is also a big online supplier and listed here) and a lot of mom and pop shopd poping up. One mom and pop shop sold only Ego style batteries, with no voltage or MAH listed, and they all had Jems and stickers. $30 bottles of 10mls Juice and the worst looking CE5 Clearomizers and Vivi Novas I'd ever seen. It will be sad to see the people who discover quickly that Cost and quality do not always go hand in hand.
one last tid bit. When you get soething you like, especially is a clearomizer with disposable heads, get refills then. Vivi Novas, like the CE5s, are made by a lot of companies. I had one in a starter kit, and was going to get refills from the store, but they only sold them in packs of 5 and I just wanted 3 in varied OHMs, so I bought Vivi Nova heads somehwere else and they don't fit. Because one was by smok, the other... who knows, the store went out of business in under a week.
510: This is what I started on in 2009. It was from Joyetech and I used the manual button batteries. This was the first thing I tried to return to when I decided it was time to vape again. I kept getting "Knock-offs." Which to me, at the time, was any Non-Joytech. Finally I went to Joyetechs website to find out more about their batteries. I found out about the EGO, and the set up for the tank style EGO-C System. I had that as my first starter kit, and as my original experience with vaping was that the whole setup needed constant maintanence, leaked all over, and was a pain if you didnt constantly tweak things, I wasn't unhappy.
Then I found out one of the batteries I picked up later, while being an ego, wasn't Joyetech. I thought I was robbed! I thought I needed revenge, I thought i'd give it a try. Not a bad battery. I don't know who first made the EGO, but Ego style batteries are made by a lot of quality companies. I like Smok, they are less expensive, have shown more durability, less threading problems, etc... So, is it a knock off if it's EGO by SMOK, NO. A Knock off, to me, Is a company trying to tell you their batteries are Joyetech, Smok, Vision, when they come in a package marked Made in Mexico(they should come from China). Ego's have a serial number I believe, and you can look up wether the battery you purchased was a real Joyetech. Some have not been, and the supplier has been unable to supply the name of the company that made it. That is a bad thing. I try to send those back before problems start. If your company is selling good products, you shouldn't be lying about the manufacturer.
Another, is it a rip off or not is the CE4 and CE5 Atomizers. Again, lots of companies make them. I was told Vision is the original designer. I have found I prefer the Innokin iClear 16. I have seen these in many varying qualities, from obviously bad, to very good and less expensive.
Another thing I had wished I was told more about was Battery strength VS ohms. A lot of people will tell you Low Res is great, and it can be. If you don't buy a Smok 4.2V battery. if you do, and you attach a 1.8ohm'd EVOD you will probably regret it. There are charts all over this forum for where your voltage should be with certain Ohm's, and then you get the double coils thrown in and it all goes to shenanigans.
Rule 1 for any habit or hobby, read up on the jargon. It will seem complicated at first, but it is only as hard as you make it. This forum can hook you up with good suppliers. Those suppliers can get you a battery, atomizer (Clearomizer, cartomizer, anything that makes the vapor), Charger, and case. Start simple. Then move up. If you are shopping local, go to a vape shop, not a smoke shop. If the person selling you a set doean't vape, not the best person to buy from. It's like asking a Vegan waiter what the steak is like.
Most Cigarette looking systems are weak and more complicated than you want to start on, or require a lot more pieces and maintanence. Making your new habit more expensive than your old. Read through here, Go watch some youtubes, see what vaping 101 really is. I settled on an EGO-C, and if I hadn't known there was more to vaping I would have stopped there. Because I followed my own rules, but still didn't remember to ask if the person selling it to me knew anything about the Ego-C setup or If they had used it. I went in acting confident so I wouldn't get treated like a newbie, and I ended up with a system that has some flaws in it that you need to know how to work around to get a good experience out of it.
Now, it's been a few months. I know what I like, I know some things I don't like. I have a mod, I have multiple flavors and strengths. I'm over the newbie feeling, and I still ask the sales clerks a lot of questions. Especially in a big city like Salt Lake, where there are 2 majorly popular places to by from (1 which is also a big online supplier and listed here) and a lot of mom and pop shopd poping up. One mom and pop shop sold only Ego style batteries, with no voltage or MAH listed, and they all had Jems and stickers. $30 bottles of 10mls Juice and the worst looking CE5 Clearomizers and Vivi Novas I'd ever seen. It will be sad to see the people who discover quickly that Cost and quality do not always go hand in hand.
one last tid bit. When you get soething you like, especially is a clearomizer with disposable heads, get refills then. Vivi Novas, like the CE5s, are made by a lot of companies. I had one in a starter kit, and was going to get refills from the store, but they only sold them in packs of 5 and I just wanted 3 in varied OHMs, so I bought Vivi Nova heads somehwere else and they don't fit. Because one was by smok, the other... who knows, the store went out of business in under a week.
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