Think I'm suffering a vaping side-effect

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C_M_C

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i have ... my first purchase was the basic blu starter kit (as many seem to do) and at first i did not have this issue; however, when i got my second round set of batteries and cartomisers (2 x 78mm sealed auto volts from smokeless image with a package of their "strong sampler" as well as a package of stainless steel xl "blanks" which i filled with some cheap, generic eliquid i bought at a gas station) i noticed that my face, neck, and lips would get itchy, reddish, and very dry after only a few minutes of use (not to mention the following morning i would wake up feeling like desert face and mouth, even drinking LOTS of water!) - which was kind of a shame insofar as the si flavours went, as i really enjoyed some of them!! after doing my "research" on these forums, i found out about the whole pg/vg issue and rush-ordered a couple of samplers from virgin vapors. i surely do not have the $$ to buy exclusively from their "absolute virgin" line, but it made a HUGE difference in my ability to actually enjoy what has been (for me) a good alternative to the crappy side effects of cigarettes and cigars. my latest eliquid has been from mt. baker vapor - i order the 70/30 vg/h20 mix and haven't had any problems with any of these either!! good luck!!

This is really promising I never even noticed the VG/H2O mix. Wish I had done and I'd have ordered that instead of the default 80/20 PG/VG blend.

Is there something known about PG that can cause these kind of problems. Like red skin allergies etc?

Once my MBV order arrives ill try them out and see how it goes. If I'm still having a reaction ill try ordering a few of the flavours in 70/30 VG/H2O and see how that goes.

What kind of vape do you get with 30% Water in the mix?
 

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Is there something known about PG that can cause these kind of problems. Like red skin allergies etc?

I don't think I've heard of your specific reaction but allergic reactions to PG are known to happen. And in allergies, specific reactions vary widely among people. I believe you said you had no problem exhaling through your nose but that would mean vapor is coming into contact with your nose on the exhale. You know, drifting around the nose after exiting, such things.

Or could be a contact allergy. You had some amount of juice on your fingers and scratched your nose.

Heh, I never went into health care but I'm about the only hold out in my family. One thing I learned quite a while back is people touch their faces an unbelievable number of times per day. I mean huge numbers up in the hundreds and higher. We're rarely conscious of it. It's one reason frequent hand washing is being pushed harder to stop the spread of infectious diseases. We're simply not conscious of the huge number of times we touch our faces and expose ourselves to whatever is on our hands at the time.

But then that could be the nicotine (which can irritate the skin even in low concentrations) or a PG contact allergic reaction.

Or... you touched something completely else that had nothing at all to do with vaping and rubbed or scratched your nose.

Or... funniest one that happened to me was having a "sun burn like" rash on one side of the back of my neck and being completely mystified what the heck was going on. Spent days (off and on, not non-stop, I'm not that obsessive :) ), speculating on what I could have come into contact with only to realize, finally, my confusion was sticking the "like" part at the end up there. It was a sunburn.

Ran into somebody in the grocery store parking lot and talked a while. A longer while than I realized at the time. And it was, you know, summer. There was this big ball of light in the sky and one side of my neck was turned toward it most of the time. :)

(Talk about a d'oh Homer moment when I thought of that)

My family has a big time predisposition to allergies so I'm always having some reaction to something sometime. I've gotten to where I ignore it most times. Mine aren't as bad as some and much of it can be shrugged off. But I can tell you this much, trying to figure out the source of a reaction is a pain in the keester. There are so many variables.

But try some all VG liquids. See how that goes. I haven't tried MBV's versions myself (I get 50/50 from them most times). I do like several of the Johnson Creek "Red Oak" line which has no PG. You can order little sample bottles here: Sample smoke juice bottles Johnson Creek Smoke Juice.

It's also possible, in my experience, to have some oddball reactions when you first get going with vaping but they go away. My sinuses went bonkers a few weeks in then settled down. Though, sometimes, the first exhale of a VG only liquid can make me sneeze like pollen does. But just the first time. And not always. I suspect it's when the pollen count is high anyway and the VG (being a vegetable glycerin) gets in there and mingles, something happens to trigger a mild reaction. I dunno. It's rare. Doesn't persist. Doesn't happen all the time. So I shrug it off.

So many allergies run amok in my family, if I spent much time thinking about them, I'd go crazy (some claim this has already occurred but don't listen to them, the voices in my head say they're the crazy ones!). I may or may not have had a reaction to vapor at first for a while--or the pollen count went through the roof, who knows--but kept going and it went away.

One way they do deal with allergies is repeat exposure to "desensitize" you. That's another thought to add to an already confusing mix.

Have I confused you enough yet? :)

See, this is why I didn't like biology and didn't end up in health care like just about everybody else in the family. It's messy and confusing and complicated. It makes calculus and crazy, abstract quantum physics look simple and straightforward. Heh, if people ever really knew how much their doctor was guessing, they'd freak. I mean, expert, educated guessing is better than ordinary guessing but there's a lotta guessing going on in health care. We understand the origins of the universe better than all that gooshy stuff inside ourselves. :)
 

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I vaped last year for a month before I started smoking again :( I touched my nose while my hands were oily (china made oil) and in 48 hours my nose was a bit red. I put some moisturizer and the redness was gone within a day. Good news is now I am smoke free and 100% vape for 30 days now and I am very careful not to touch the ejuice and to buy only US made ejuice. Hope you feel better soon.
 
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C_M_C

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I vaped last year for a month before I started smoking again :( I touched my nose while my hands were oily (china made oil) and in 48 hours my nose was a bit red. I put some moisturizer and the redness was gone within a day. Good news is now I am smoke free and 100% vape for 30 days now and I am very careful not to touch the ejuice and to buy only US made ejuice. Hope you feel better soon.

Thanks ArtStar, Congrats on being analog free for a whole month. Well done. I'm just starting out on vaping, or at least trying to without looking like Santa Claus :) Your observation about juice on skin may be right. I have no idea where this juice was made, but I sincerely doubt that it was the USA. I reckon it will be from China. It doesn't state on the bottles. And if it does, then the writing is too small for me to see without a magnifying glass lol.

I'll make sure that I wash my hands thoroughly after using this stuff. I've still not vaped today. Not touched it at all.. but had a few analogs just to see if its the juice that's causing it.
 

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Hi Mark,

Firstly... Many thanks for the extremely detailed post. Iv'e never seen a reply as long as that one before lol.

I think I may be in a similar position to you. I have always had allergies when I was a kid, scratch skin, hay fever, dandruff, cats, dogs (anything with fur), the list goes on. In saying that, My adult life has been pretty allergy-free (maybe the smoking has helped there lol). But this red nose is really annoying me. I Googled about and came across a skin condition called "rosacea" which has symptoms that are very similar to what I have... eeek! I'm hoping it's not that. If it is, then I don't know how it's been triggered.

What's this "big bright ball of light in the sky" that you talk about? I live in Scotland... and have never seen this "ball of light" :confused:

Thanks for the link to Johnson's Creek. I may just try them out once I've tried MBV's juice. I'm starting to think it maybe PG-related. Been searching about the forums and like you say, there are quite a few posts with PG related problems. I'll definitely try some low PG and zero PG on my next order.

Cheers again for your time and effort to reply. It's very much appreciated

P.S. if you ever want to swap locations (Scotland for Texas) let me know ;)
 

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Hi Mark,

Firstly... Many thanks for the extremely detailed post. Iv'e never seen a reply as long as that one before lol.

Heh, occupational hazard. I was a tech writer for just years. Put me at a keyboard and I over-explain just about anything and everything. :)

Also, having worked contract and getting paid depended on deadlines, I got fast. Insanely fast. I don't "type" fast, I write fast. I can move almost as quickly as I can speak. Posting online is almost the same experience for me as having a chat.

This backfires in that my posts can be ridiculously long. So much so, I am always happy it's not possible to throw rotten tomatoes through Internet connections. Else I would be pelted quite often. :)

I think I may be in a similar position to you. I have always had allergies when I was a kid, scratch skin, hay fever, dandruff, cats, dogs (anything with fur), the list goes on. In saying that, My adult life has been pretty allergy-free (maybe the smoking has helped there lol). But this red nose is really annoying me. I Googled about and came across a skin condition called "rosacea" which has symptoms that are very similar to what I have... eeek! I'm hoping it's not that. If it is, then I don't know how it's been triggered.

Bad thing is, a predisposition to allergies is a predisposition. And it not only doesn't go away, it likes to shift around and do annoying things like re-emerge with age. One of the many fun things about that lovely "aging" process. Like my right ankle. Which I sprained severely at about the age of seven. Somewhere around the age of 37, I took a step at work and that ankle gave out. I like to went down. I've had sporadic trouble out of it ever since. Had no clue what that was about. Until, one day, months after that first event, it hit me. The damage from thirty freaking years ago was baaaaaaaack.

Oh. Goodie.

I'm 51 now and it just sometimes likes to go on vacation. I take a step and it's like it just doesn't work. I've had long enough to learn how to deal with it and not re-injure it nor take a bad fall but it sometimes also likes to hurt just for fun!

Anyway.

PG allergies do exist. Since you have a predisposition to allergies, you may have had a reaction. Not the end of the world. There are PG free liquids aplenty. Myself, I prefer VG anyway. So if I turned up with a PG allergy, it wouldn't have much effect.

And it could be completely unrelated. Something you came into contact with then scratched your nose and off ya went. I know times I've had to pin down an allergic reaction, it can take me a while. And often, it's something completely out of the blue. Sometimes not even an allergic anything. I pulled a dumb one once where I kept trying to figure out why I was getting so dry and itchy on my lower legs. Could not figure out what I'd done.

Until, idiot that I can be, I'm scratching one leg while moving the little space heater I have sitting here in the room with the computer for cold days.

Heater. On floor. Blowing warm air on lower legs and feet. Oh. Duuuuh Mark. Gee, ya think aiming a space heater at your lower legs might dry your skin out a bit?

:)

What's this "big bright ball of light in the sky" that you talk about? I live in Scotland... and have never seen this "ball of light" :confused:

<squint>

You're not one a them types that's going to try to convince me frozen water falls outta the sky are ya? I have online friends up north who try to tell me this "snow" stuff actually exists but I'm not falling for it. I know better. Hallmark invented that scam for Christmas cards!

Thanks for the link to Johnson's Creek. I may just try them out once I've tried MBV's juice. I'm starting to think it maybe PG-related. Been searching about the forums and like you say, there are quite a few posts with PG related problems. I'll definitely try some low PG and zero PG on my next order.

Cheers again for your time and effort to reply. It's very much appreciated

You're welcome. And do try the JC liquids. If it's a PG problem, they could be a great source for some nice PG free juices.

P.S. if you ever want to swap locations (Scotland for Texas) let me know ;)

Heh. You say that now but first summer over 100F? For over two months straight? Like the heatwave in which Austin hit 105 to 107F regularly? And I caught myself saying--seriously, I did--that 103F "wasn't so bad long as the humidity was low". That's, what, two months in the 38 to 42C range? In metrical type terms and all?

This summer has me worried. May is acting like it thinks it's June...
 

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Hi Mark,

I Googled about and came across a skin condition called "rosacea" which has symptoms that are very similar to what I have... eeek! I'm hoping it's not that. If it is, then I don't know how it's been triggered.

About 3 weeks in to vaping for me, my face became red and began to sting slightly, about like a light sunburn. And it was warm to the touch. The only place that wasn't red (not flaming red, just flushed) was around my eyes.

I also searched about quitting smoking and rosacea...not pretty. I fell off the wagon for a week after that (not related) and it seemed to clear up, now I'm back to it for a week and starting to feel the prickly sensation again. I hope to God it's not rosacea. I'd almost rather smoke. :(

Apparently they've discovered that something about smoking inhibits a person's natural tendency towards rosacea (if you're predisposed to it). So when you quit, it flares up. They found strangely that most smokers don't have it, and many who do have it are former smokers.

So there you go...I hope for your sake (and mine) that it's just some weird reaction to the vape.
 

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I had a friend who had rosacea and she kept it in check by not drinking wine/alcohol. With that in mind, if you don't "imbibe" it could be the pg, it is a type of alcohol. Just a thought...

Hmm...I don't drink, and was using 100% VG when I started (now doing mixes). Maybe I'll shoot for going back to 100% VG again and see how that goes? thanks for the tip!
 
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C_M_C

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Is it possible that you got an actual sunburn on your nose? Just a thought..

Not in Scotland... No chance lol.
It's mid May and temperature is only 6C or 43F. Plus it's honestly been raining solid for the past 2 months.

I wish it was sunburn. At least that would mean I'd actually got some sunshine :)
 
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About 3 weeks in to vaping for me, my face became red and began to sting slightly, about like a light sunburn. And it was warm to the touch. The only place that wasn't red (not flaming red, just flushed) was around my eyes.

I also searched about quitting smoking and rosacea...not pretty. I fell off the wagon for a week after that (not related) and it seemed to clear up, now I'm back to it for a week and starting to feel the prickly sensation again. I hope to God it's not rosacea. I'd almost rather smoke. :(

Apparently they've discovered that something about smoking inhibits a person's natural tendency towards rosacea (if you're predisposed to it). So when you quit, it flares up. They found strangely that most smokers don't have it, and many who do have it are former smokers.

So there you go...I hope for your sake (and mine) that it's just some weird reaction to the vape.

Hi Ailsa. That's pretty much exactly what I'm experiencing too. It's mostly the skin on my nose that's red and stinging, but I think my face in general is really flushed and hot.

I stumbled on an article too about smoking inhibiting rosacea something to do with the benzene in smoke. Like you say, I'd rather smoke analogs and have a relatively normal skin complexion (read greyish yellow for a smoker) than have this sunburn redness :(

I'm definitely going to try either 100% VG or 70/30 VG/H2O to see if that helps. I hate this because I'm just getting into vaping since last Friday and I love the benefits that its brought me already. This skin problem is the only negative aspect that I've encountered during my 5 days of vaping.
 

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That could be possible. Is it common for juice to cause skin irritations if it gets on your skin?
Oh yeah! I dropped some on my foot yesterday. Didn't think a thing about it until later when it started to have slight burning sensation. A little water and a quick wipe and it was gone.
 

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Just a quick update. I've decided to try an experiment. I'm back on analogs today, not touched my PV at all. Ill stick with the analogs till the weekend and see if this red skin irritation goes away. If it does, then it must be something to do with vaping that's causing it. Maybe the PG or VG, nic level or the flavouring that is causing my skin problem. It's nothing to do with dehydration because I am continually drinking water at my desk and as a result.. Running to the toilet every 20 minutes.

I haven't read the whole post but , this proves nothing mate. As now your back on the analogs and the withdrawal proccess is halted. Please think before thinking its only Vapeing, or anything else for that matter, also go see a doctor if u haven't.

Have a wee half on me. Happy Vapeing.
 
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