Thinking about a Provari but....

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But I don't understand about the tank thingeys. What kind of tanks are recommended? I have a T3 I am using on my X2 and I really like it since it holds a lot of juice and is easy to fill.

The cartridge inside of a tank looks complicated.

Anyone want to comment on threads, tanks, cartos? I've been reading but I am still confused.


Can you use the same tanks on the mini that you can use on the regular Provari?
 

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Cartotanks are one of the more popular juice carrying devices today. Once set up, they allow people to have 1-3 days worth of juice in one device. Setup time is only a few minutes. Tanks can hold anywhere from 1.5 ml to a whopping 8 ml of e-liquid. Besides being very functional, they can be a way the vapor can personalize their personal vaporizer in a very decorative manner.

The parts of the most commonly used cartotanks today include a cylinder tube usually made of clear or frosted plastic, pyrex glass, or metal. On either end of the tube, two endcaps fit tightly with the use of rubber washers called o-rings. In the center of each endcap is a hole into which a cartomizer is introduced. The cartomizer will have 1-3 holes in it to allow juice from the tank to enter into the cartomizer to be heated by the heating coils. The holes in the carto is referred to the carto as being "punched". The mouthpiece of a tank is frequently referred to as the drip tip.

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The following video demonstrates how to prime, or fill, a "punched" carto; how to assemble the carto into the tank; and how to fill the tank with juice.

 
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Cartotanks are one of the more popular juice carrying devices today. Once set up, they allow people to have 1-3 days worth of juice in one device. Setup time is only a few minutes. Tanks can hold anywhere from 1.5 ml to a whopping 8 ml of e-liquid. Besides being very functional, they can be a way the vapor can personalize their personal vaporizer in a very decorative manner.

The parts of the most commonly used cartotanks today include a cylinder tube usually made of clear or frosted plastic, pyrex glass, or metal. On either end of the tube, two endcaps fit tightly with the use of rubber washers called o-rings. In the center of each endcap is a hole into which a cartomizer is introduced. The cartomizer will have 1-3 holes in it to allow juice from the tank to enter into the cartomizer to be heated by the heating coils. The holes in the carto is referred to the carto as being "punched". The mouthpiece of a tank is frequently referred to as the drip tip.

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The following video demonstrates how to prime, or fill, a "punched" carto; how to assemble the carto into the tank; and how to fill the tank with juice.



Thanks Badditude. That seems like it made sense but it still seems awful fiddly to have the cartmizer inside the tank and how do you get the tank off if there is still juice in there. Do those carto/tank thingeys leak?
 

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Thinking about a Provari but.... but what?
You the best? Get one........

I'm pretty sure that didn't make a lick of sense, Riverboat.

What good does it do me to buy a mod of any type if I can't figure out the right juice delivery system to use with it? Perhaps I should just buy a fancy stand for it and put it in my living room as artwork!

I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing before I try to buy something but it seems like it is hard to get answers that aren't alphabet soup and other confusing terminology. I am trying hard to understand but it is confusing to me.
 

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There are a number of options out there for vaping and feeding juice. You probably know of cartomizers and atomizers. A common connection type from the battery or PV is a 510 threaded connector. A ProVari has a 510 threaded connector and will take any atomizer, cartomizer or tank that is listed as 510.

510 Cartomizers can be used in conjunction with a tank for juice feeding to avoid the need to constantly refill. You usually put a tank to hold juice around the carto, punch a hole in the carto and fill with juice.

Other types of tanks like rebuldables are available, but you should enter rebuilding after researching it first. They have a more challenging learning curve than the carto/tank set up but work on the same principal.

A 510 PV (Like ProVari) can be connected any 510 feeder, or to other types of juice feeders with an adapter. If you want to use an Ego type juice feeder on a provari buy a 510 to Ego adapter. If you want to use a 901 cartomizer with a Provari you would get a 510-901 adapter.
 
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Thanks Baditude. That seems like it made sense but it still seems awful fiddly to have the cartmizer inside the tank and how do you get the tank off if there is still juice in there. Do those carto/tank thingeys leak?

Their IS a learning curve involved with cartotanks. Most people that use them have experienced some ups and downs with them. However, this isn't rocket science. If one follows certain methodologies, as was demonstrated in the above video demo, it doesn't take long for cartotanks to become second nature.

Cartotanks are my favorite juice delivery system providing excellent flavor, the ability to carry larger quantities of juice, and are quite durable for transport when out-and-about. I have several tanks with me most of the time, each with their own flavor, and I can switch between flavors easily by switching between tanks.

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The tank can be removed by unscrewing the assembled tank from the PV. Cartomizers have a threaded pin on their bottom end which screws into the PV connector. In the below image, you can see this threaded pin on the bottom of the cartotank.
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The tank snuggly holds on to the cartomizer inside it via rubber washers (o-rings). This attachment is not TOO snug, though, because to refill the tank or to eventually replace the carto one must be able to slide the tank off of the carto. This was demonstrated in the video. When picking up a PV with a cartotank, it's good practice to not pick it up by the tank, but by the PV.
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Cartotanks will not leak, generally speaking. But like any juice carrying device, things do go wrong, and it is usually from user error. If the o-rings that make the connection between the two end caps and the carto are defective, juice may leak from the tank or cause flooding issues with the cartomizer.

There is a fine line of proper juice flow from the tank to the inside of the cartomizer where it is heated by the coils and turned into vapor. Too little juice into the carto, and one gets "dry hits" or a burnt taste. Too much juice into the carto and one gets gurgling, a clogged-up air flow on inhale, or leaking from the bottom of the carto (known as "flooding").

The number of holes needed in the carto is determined by the juice's particular thickness, how tightly wound the polyfill in the carto is, and the vaping technique of the vapor. Experience is the best teacher here, and somewhat subjective.
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For someone trying their first cartotank, I recommend that they use "pre-punched" or laser-drilled cartos. These cartos already have holes in them, and using these will eliminate the human error factor that can be involved with punching them yourself with a carto punch tool. I still prefer using them over punching my own cartos, as they provide me with consistancy carto to carto. Get the carto-tank part down first. Once that is going smoothly, one can learn to punch or slot their own cartos.

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The two images above show a laser-drilled hole in a carto and a tool-punched carto, both known as "pre-punched" cartos.
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Since the o-rings in the endcaps are so important to a cartotank setup, I highly recommend that people purchase a tank accessory tool such as the Slap Yo Momma tool from Big Daddy Vapor. The end of a carto has a sharp edge that can slice or damage the rubber o-rings as it passes thru the end caps. Placing the S-Y-M tool into the carto top covers the sharp edges and protects the o-rings from damage. This will preserve the life of the o-rings, and greatly reduce any chance of leaking from bad o-rings.

 
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I'm pretty sure that didn't make a lick of sense, Riverboat.

What good does it do me to buy a mod of any type if I can't figure out the right juice delivery system to use with it? Perhaps I should just buy a fancy stand for it and put it in my living room as artwork!

I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing before I try to buy something but it seems like it is hard to get answers that aren't alphabet soup and other confusing terminology. I am trying hard to understand but it is confusing to me.

I guess dripping is out of the question for you... Best way IMO using HH357 attys...
 

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Their IS a learning curve involved with cartotanks. Most people that use them have experienced some ups and downs with them. However, this isn't rocket science. If one follows certain methodologies, as was demonstrated in the above video demo, it doesn't take long for cartotanks to become second nature. They are my favorite juice delivery system providing excellent flavor, the ability to carry larger quantities of juice, and are quite durable for transport when out-and-about. I have several tanks with me most of the time, each with their own flavor, and I can switch between flavors easily by switching between tanks.

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The tank can be removed by unscrewing the assembled tank from the PV. Cartomizers have a threaded pin on their bottom end which screws into the PV connector. In the below image, you can see this threaded pin on the bottom of the cartotank.
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The tank snuggly holds on to the cartomizer inside it via rubber washers (o-rings). This attachment is not TOO snug, though, because to refill the tank or to eventually replace the carto one must be able to slide the tank off of the carto. This was demonstrated in the video. When picking up a PV with a cartotank, it's good practice to not pick it up by the tank, but by the PV.
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Cartotanks will not leak, generally speaking. But like any juice carrying device, things do go wrong, and it is usually from user error. If the o-rings that make the connection between the two end caps and the carto are defective, juice may leak from the tank or cause flooding issues with the cartomizer.

There is a fine line of proper juice flow from the tank to the inside of the cartomizer where it is heated by the coils and turned into vapor. Too little juice into the carto, and one gets "dry hits" or a burnt taste. Too much juice into the carto and one gets gurgling, a clogged-up air flow on inhale, or leaking from the bottom of the carto (known as "flooding"). The number of holes needed in the carto is determined by the juice's particular thickness, how tightly wound the polyfill in the carto is, and the vaping technique of the vapor. Experience is the best teacher here, and somewhat subjective.
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For someone trying their first cartotank, I recommend that they use "pre-punched" or laser-drilled cartos. These cartos already have holes in them, and using these will eliminate the human error factor that can be involved with punching them yourself with a carto punch tool. I still prefer using them over punching my own cartos, as they provide me with consistancy carto to carto. Get the carto-tank part down first. Once that is going smoothly, one can learn to punch or slot their own cartos.

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The two images above show a laser-drilled hole in a carto and a tool-punched carto, both known as "pre-punched" cartos.
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Since the o-rings in the endcaps are so important to a cartotank setup, I highly recommend that people purchase a tank accessory tool such as the Slap Yo Momma tool from Big Daddy Vapor. The end of a carto has a sharp edge that can slice or damage the rubber o-rings as it passes thru the end caps. Placing the S-Y-M tool into the carto top covers the sharp edges and protects the o-rings from damage. This will preserve the life of the o-rings, and greatly reduce any chance of leaking from bad o-rings.



That actually made sense to me. Thanks, Badditude.

The S-Y-O tool seems like it would eliminate some concerns with sliding the carto into and through the tank and also make refilling much better since it is easy to get fluid into the center hole of the carto.

So, you can change the tank. Let's say you are tired of 555 and you want to switch to Cinnamon Danish. You can screw off the tank carto combo and set it to one side and then put your new tank carto combo with your new flavor in it.

Okay, so if I try the carto tank combo, then I need a drip tip separately? I need to buy drip tips?

I so appreciate your help.
 

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There are a number of options out there for vaping and feeding juice. You probably know of cartomizers and atomizers. A common connection type from the battery or PV is a 510 threaded connector. A ProVari has a 510 threaded connector and will take any atomizer, cartomizer or tank that is listed as 510.

510 Cartomizers can be used in conjunction with a tank for juice feeding to avoid the need to constantly refill. You usually put a tank to hold juice around the carto, punch a hole in the carto and fill with juice.

Other types of tanks like rebuldables are available, but you should enter rebuilding after researching it first. They have a more challenging learning curve than the carto/tank set up but work on the same principal.

A 510 PV (Like ProVari) can be connected any 510 feeder, or to other types of juice feeders with an adapter. If you want to use an Ego type juice feeder on a provari buy a 510 to Ego adapter. If you want to use a 901 cartomizer with a Provari you would get a 510-901 adapter.

Thanks for that info Hufflepuff. I think that buying some tank things is okay for me I just want to try to figure out the right stuff to buy so I can keep moving forwards in quitting smoking. I am trying to find a dependable vaping unit with reasonably dependable buyable tanks and parts and what not.

The Provari seems like a well made unit with a good guarantee so I am considering buying it.

At this point, I wouldn't even consider trying to rebuild anything.
 

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That actually made sense to me. Thanks, Baditude.

The S-Y-O tool seems like it would eliminate some concerns with sliding the carto into and through the tank and also make refilling much better since it is easy to get fluid into the center hole of the carto.

So, you can change the tank. Let's say you are tired of 555 and you want to switch to Cinnamon Danish. You can screw off the tank carto combo and set it to one side and then put your new tank carto combo with your new flavor in it.

Okay, so if I try the carto tank combo, then I need a drip tip separately? I need to buy drip tips?

You got it!! :headbang:

Yes, you likely will need a drip tip for each tank. They simply press or twist into the top of the assembled tank. They are available in plastic, ceramic, stainless steel, titanium, aluminum, and pyrex glass. A huge variety of size and shapes. The choice is purely subjective.

I tend to like the pyrex tips from Hot Vapes 510 glass drip tips and the acrylic Cherry Vape mings Cherry Vape Dream Tips and the acrylic Knuckle Heads http://www.rtdvapor.com/online-store/drip-tips. The Trippy Tips are custom hand-blown pyrex glass that are nice, but expensive...collector items. Trippy Tips and http://www.rtdvapor.com/online-store/trippy-tips.

A vendor who has a large selection of tips is RTD Vapor. If you end up getting the Provari, I recommend getting your batteries and charger from here, and not Provape.
 
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While looking at tanks for a Provari, may I recommend my favorite tanks for my own Provair. IBTanked - Get Tanked With Us! These are quite popular here on ECF, an offer a high quality yet inexpensive pyrex tank. Prices begin at under $20 each. I did a review of these tanks in the review section: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tank-reviews/349222-ibtanked-pyrex-glass-tanks.html I currently own seven of these tanks.

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There are some flavors that can degrade, crack, or melt the clear plastic of some tanks and clearomizers, most notably cinnamon and citrus flavors. Pyrex is safe to use with these flavors.
 
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I'm pretty sure that didn't make a lick of sense, Riverboat.

What good does it do me to buy a mod of any type if I can't figure out the right juice delivery system to use with it? Perhaps I should just buy a fancy stand for it and put it in my living room as artwork!

I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing before I try to buy something but it seems like it is hard to get answers that aren't alphabet soup and other confusing terminology. I am trying hard to understand but it is confusing to me.

Why not Vivi Nova?
p.s. provari 2.5 coming soon...
 

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If you still don't know what juice delivery device you want to use.... why don't you figure that out before you buy a mod. Anything can be put on anything with a simple $3 adapter so if you want to use a pre-filled KR808-D carto on a provari... you can with an adapter. I use tanks primarily, but drip with RBA's while at home as well. My clearo's are mainly collecting dust, even sold 2 of them to a friend to get him started off, but he is also already liking tanks more.

As for buying a provari, they are pretty awesome and since I got mine it goes with me more than my other stuff even though I still use my vamo and my twists since they both still get the job done
 
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