Thinking about a Provari but....

[Baditude]

Why not Vivi Nova?
p.s. provari 2.5 coming soon...

The 2.5 "upgrade" appears to be only a cosmetic change, no upgrade in the electronics. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provari/364361-should-provape-change-anything-4.html#post8208223

As for the Vivi Nova, some people like them, some don't. My personal feeling is they might be ideal for a beginner, as they are easy to clean and fill with the screw off top, and produce a lot of vapor. I am disappointed in their flavor production with some flavors. I did comparitive tests with the same flavor in a cartotank and a vivi tank, and the cartotank won hands down. Your results may vary.

 

[Renolizzie]

If you still don't know what juice delivery device you want to use.... why don't you figure that out before you buy a mod. Anything can be put on anything with a simple $3 adapter so if you want to use a pre-filled KR808-D carto on a provari... you can with an adapter. I use tanks primarily, but drip with RBA's while at home as well. My clearo's are mainly collecting dust, even sold 2 of them to a friend to get him started off, but he is also already liking tanks more.

As for buying a provari, they are pretty awesome and since I got mine it goes with me more than my other stuff even though I still use my vamo and my twists since they both still get the job done

That's actually what I am trying to do. I have the X2 batteries from Smokeless Image and they are fine batteries and I am using the T3 with them and I like the T3. However, batteries are pretty pricey and, although the guarantee is great, I've had to have a couple of them replaced. Not complaining. Just saying that I think I would save money and time and effort in the long run if I got a mod. I don't want to buy a mod if I can't even figure out what tank to use with it.

Thanks for the good info about being able to use a pre-filled carto on the Provari if I would like to. They are convenient to carry and I still use them on my cig-a-like batteries if I am going out on the town.

 

[Baditude]

I have the X2 batteries from Smokeless Image and they are fine batteries and I am using the T3 with them and I like the T3. However, batteries are pretty pricey and, although the guarantee is great, I've had to have a couple of them replaced. ...Just saying that I think I would save money and time and effort in the long run if I got a mod. I don't want to buy a mod if I can't even figure out what tank to use with it.

You seem to be making a similar progression as I made. I started with the Smokeless Image Volts and X'2. They got me off of the cigarettes. However, I wanted a better vaping experience. That meant more options. Longer battery time and more options in juice carring devices, namely cartotanks. I advanced to the Altsmoke BB and Silver Bullet. Before long, I wanted a variable voltage mod to be able to fine tune my device for each flavor. So I researched and the no-brainer answer was the Provari.

 

[Renolizzie]

Well, I was thinking that one thing that kind of throws me is the variable voltage.

The ProVari can be adjusted from 2.9 - 6.0 volts in 0.1 volt increments.

The ProVari’s variable voltage settings include:

2.9, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4, 3.5, 3.6, 3.7, 3.8, 3.9, 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, 4.6, 4.7, 4.8, 4.9, 5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, 5.5, 5.6, 5.7, 5.8, 5.9 and 6.0 volts.

Okay, it is variable but does the variable part mean that only certain juice delivery systems will work on the Provari? Do you just use the Provari at 3.7 if you want to use a Smokeless Image carto with an adapter on the Provari? That sort of thing.

And technically, I haven't quite quit smoking. I still smoke a few a day. I was thinking that it is somewhat of a security issue for me. If I don't feel secure about my juice delivery system, my batteries, my back ups and such, I may just keep smoking a few I know that won't make sense to some people but that is what I was thinking. If I get a vape unit and juice delivery system I like and I have the X2's for back up and my cig-a-likes for going out with, I might finally give up those last few cigs.

I took up DIY on juice so that I could always have plenty of juice on hand for a much better price. Ordering juice and getting the right mg level - problem solved. I don't have to have 12 mg, 18 mg and 24 mg in three or more flavors and reorder on time. I just make it myself at whatever mg I feel is appropriate.

 

[DrApex]

It took me about 2 tanks of juice to get comfortable with carto tanks.

The only trick is correctly filling a tanks with a brand new carto. There is quite a bit of soaking in to do, before the carto is ready. If you rush it, you will not enjoy the result.

Right now, I have a Kanger T3 on one of my EGo twists and it puts out OK vapor. However, there is always a weird taste to the juice that I don't get with my carto tank.

I also have 5 regular Cartomizers, an eGo T atomizer, an eGo C atomizer, 4 CE-5 clearomizers and several dripping atomizers collecting dust in my closet. All of those provide less quality vapor than the carto tanks I use.

If you properly fill the carto for the first time, you can vape for 2 weeks with no trouble.

Definitely get a tank filling tool. I bought a $4 one from Phiniac. It's WAY easier than filling without a tool. It also helps keep the tank o-rings in good shape.



Typed on my mobile. Please excuse typos.

 

[Renolizzie]

It took me about 2 tanks of juice to get comfortable with carto tanks.

The only trick is correctly filling a tanks with a brand new carto. There is quite a bit of soaking in to do, before the carto is ready. If you rush it, you will not enjoy the result.

Right now, I have a Kanger T3 on one of my EGo twists and it puts out OK vapor. However, there is always a weird taste to the juice that I don't get with my carto tank.

I also have 5 regular Cartomizers, an eGo T atomizer, an eGo C atomizer, 4 CE-5 clearomizers and several dripping atomizers collecting dust in my closet. All of those provide less quality vapor than the carto tanks I use.

If you properly fill the carto for the first time, you can vape for 2 weeks with no trouble.

Definitely get a tank filling tool. I bought a $4 one from Phiniac. It's WAY easier than filling without a tool. It also helps keep the tank o-rings in good shape.



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Good onfo, thanks.

 

[Baditude]

To continue to use the 808-threaded Smokeless Image cartomizers (pre-filled or not) on the 510-threaded Provari, you will need to purchase a 510-to-808 adaptor like this one 510 to 901/808-D Shorty Adapter .

I know it may seem like a hassle, but having gone that route before, I'd just get 510-threaded cartomizers for the Provari. The adaptor will create a space between the Provari and the 808-threaded carto/cartotank, which you may find aesthetically unpleasing.

To answer your question about variable voltage, juice carrying devices have voltage ranges where they have their best performance. Too low of a voltage and you will get too little vapor, too high and the juice will taste burnt and you may even ruin the coil/cartomizer. There are low resistance cartos (1.5 ohm-2.0 ohm), standard resistance cartos (2.1 ohm - 2.5 ohm), and high resistance cartos (2.6 ohm-3.0 ohm); they can even be purchased in the 4-5 ohm range.

I don't recall what voltage range the Smokeless Image carto's like. Someone will likely chime in with that.
Most people that I know of use a 3.0 ohm carto to be able to use ranges from 3.5 v to 5.0 volts.

The following safe vaping power chart is a nice general guideline to follow. Ohm of the carto on the left column, voltage in the top column. Safe power range is in the green squares.

http://imgur.com/r/electronic_cigarette/Ohn8o

 

[Renolizzie]

To continue to use the 808-threaded Smokeless Image cartomizers (pre-filled or not) on the 510-threaded Provari, you will need to purchase a 510-to-808 adaptor like this one 510 to 901/808-D Shorty Adapter .

I know it may seem like a hassle, but having gone that route before, I'd just get 510-threaded cartomizers for the Provari. The adaptor will create a space between the Provari and the 808-threaded carto/cartotank, which you may find aesthetically unpleasing.

To answer your question about variable voltage, juice carrying devices have voltage ranges where they have their best performance. Too low of a voltage and you will get too little vapor, too high and the juice will taste burnt and you may even ruin the coil/cartomizer. There are low resistance cartos (1.5 ohm-2.0 ohm), standard resistance cartos (2.1 ohm - 2.5 ohm), and high resistance cartos (2.6 ohm-3.0 ohm); they can even be purchased in the 4-5 ohm range.

I don't recall what voltage range the Smokeless Image carto's like. Someone will likely chime in with that.
Most people that I know of use a 3.0 ohm carto to be able to use ranges from 3.5 v to 5.0 volts.

The following safe vaping power chart is a nice general guideline to follow. Ohm of the carto on the left column, voltage in the top column. Safe power range is in the green squares.

Vaping Power Chart 2.0 - Imgur

Buying the 510 cartridges doesn't seem like a hassle. I was just using the Smokeless Image cartridge [pre-filled] as an example. I know that the SI batts are regulated at 3.6v [not 3.7 like I thought, I looked it up] and would think their cartos would go perfectly with that power output, I guess.

So if you can figure out the ohm of your cartridge, you can use the chart to figure out your voltage minimum and maximum. I book marked the chart.

You know a lot of different stuff about vaping, Badditude. You have helped me a lot. Thanks again.

I'm definitely leaning towards a Provari. They have nice pink one with blem on sale right now. Then I will get the appropriate batteries and charger from your suggested vendor above and I will look into the Pyrex tanks and buying the pre-punched 510 cartridge for in the middle. Oh yeah, and I will need to buy some drip tips and a cartridge tool..

 

[sawlight]

OEM= Original equipment manufacture, this means what it's manufactured as. EGO threading is put on by the manufacture and wont fit another device without an adapter. The clearomizers you are talking about are all EGO threaded. Yes, they have the 510 center pin, but they also have the outer shield that covers them and wont fit most devices because of that cover shield on the outside.
Carto tanks are the simplest and easiest juice delivery system I've come across. You fill the carto like you normally would, slide it in and fill the tank then enjoy. Top the tank off as needed. When you get a burnt taste it's time to change it out. To empty the tank, slide the carto down and use a syringe to suck up as much juice as you can, put the tank on it's side, slide out the old one and slide the new one in, refill the tank and carry on.
I've fiddled with the Vivi Nova's, nothing but muted flavors and burnt taste, not for me at all! I couldn't get rid of them fast enough!
The thing with variable voltage is you can use about anything on it, you aren't limited like we were back in the day. Having to try and find an atomizer that would work with the voltage we were stuck with. Now we can just change the voltage to get the flavor or throat hit we want.
Some of the carto tanks do come with a drip tip, it's all in what you want.
I'd suggest changing everything over to 510, that's what I'm in the process of doing myself, it's just easier.
But if you go with the Provari you can use about anything you want, want to drip? Do it. Want to use a rebuildable, do it! Want to run a carto tank? Get one! They don't have the carto's you used to get? No biggie, change the voltage!
An easy rule of thumb for figuring voltage is take the resistance of the carto (in Ohms) and add 2 to get the voltage. 1.5 ohm carto? 1.5 plus 2= 3.5v. 3ohm carto, add 2, 5v. This will keep you right around 8watts, what most people like to vape at. Then adjust up and down to suit the taste you like.
Keep it simple, it's vaping, not rocket science.

 

[Renolizzie]

Thanks everyone who helped me. I finally had a knowledge break through today.

I decided to get the silver Provari with a blem for a good price [$10 less than the pink one] and I got the batteries and charger. I went with the Vivi Nova for the time being after one of my online buddies and I talked. I can get the carto tank combo next month. He is using the Vivi Nova and thinks it is fine. I threw in a couple of adapters since they were only $4 apiece so that I could have a little flexibility

I appreciate the links, Badditude [and any other links people gave me]. I'm looking forward to my new gear.

My Volt cig-a-likes will still get to go out on the town and I will have my X2's with T-3s for back up.

 

[Cha0tik]

This is going to be my very next purchase... cant wait!

 

[sawlight]

Thanks everyone who helped me. I finally had a knowledge break through today.

I decided to get the silver Provari with a blem for a good price [$10 less than the pink one] and I got the batteries and charger. I went with the Vivi Nova for the time being after one of my online buddies and I talked. I can get the carto tank combo next month. He is using the Vivi Nova and thinks it is fine. I threw in a couple of adapters since they were only $4 apiece so that I could have a little flexibility

I appreciate the links, Badditude [and any other links people gave me]. I'm looking forward to my new gear.

My Volt cig-a-likes will still get to go out on the town and I will have my X2's with T-3s for back up.

Make sure and check the Vivi's when you put them on, they are renowned for not having the resistance they are listed at!

This is going to be my very next purchase... cant wait!

Indeed!

 

[Ray D]

Make sure and check the Vivi's when you put them on, they are renowned for not having the resistance they are listed at!

LOL. No doubt. My first Vivi Nova head was branded as 2.4 ohms. It reads at 2.9. The "2.8 ohm" head reads as 2.5

Go figure.

Doesn't matter since I know what the actual resistance is by checking with the Provari before I do anything, and can adjust from there.

 

[DrApex]

Thanks everyone who helped me. I finally had a knowledge break through today.

I decided to get the silver Provari with a blem for a good price [$10 less than the pink one] and I got the batteries and charger.

...

My Volt cig-a-likes will still get to go out on the town and I will have my X2's with T-3s for back up.

Congrats on the purchase. While you may find the wait from order to delivery to seemingly be annoying, it actually went much faster than Provape quoted.

The wait for the initial battery to charge was the most annoying hour I've spent with my Provari.

The menu took about 10 min to get used to... Now, I never even think about it.

You did get 2 batteries, right?
Typed on my mobile. Please excuse typos.

 

[Renolizzie]

Congrats on the purchase. While you may find the wait from order to delivery to seemingly be annoying, it actually went much faster than Provape quoted.

The wait for the initial battery to charge was the most annoying hour I've spent with my Provari.

The menu took about 10 min to get used to... Now, I never even think about it.

You did get 2 batteries, right?
Typed on my mobile. Please excuse typos.

Yes, two batteries.

 

[GrannyGrump]

I love my Provari. I also like the vivi nova better than a carto tank. I think with the right ohms it has a better taste.

 

[sawlight]

Congrats on the purchase. While you may find the wait from order to delivery to seemingly be annoying, it actually went much faster than Provape quoted.

The wait for the initial battery to charge was the most annoying hour I've spent with my Provari.

The menu took about 10 min to get used to... Now, I never even think about it.

You did get 2 batteries, right?
Typed on my mobile. Please excuse typos.

The wait from Provape wasn't the hard one! It was sitting here staring at the battery charger waiting for them to charge that killed me!

 

[artbyshan]

Congratulations on your purchase. I think you'll love it. I vape with T3's all of the time as I think they really provide a clean flavor. Just use an adapter. Provape has an awesome one (Sealed). Pics below show how the adapter works.

 

[Renolizzie]

Congratulations on your purchase. I think you'll love it. I vape with T3's all of the time as I think they really provide a clean flavor. Just use an adapter. Provape has an awesome one (Sealed). Pics below show how the adapter works.

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Thanks for the pics.

 

[Bob57]

Congrats Renolizzie !