Thinking about AVP's

[magman007]

Hello all, and thanks for being such a great resource. I have been lurking here for the better part of 2 years, and I am ready to ditch the ego batteries and move into a mod, In my research, it seems to me that each mod on the market is missing a key piece to being the "best mod". Like many, I have been researching everything under the sun to try and figure out what the best way to spend my hard earned money is.

Initially I thought Vamo. Great price, and same features as the more expensive units on the market. Then I read about reliability issues with the 510 connections, and some issues of boards fizzling out. Then i looked into the evic, zmax, etc. All have great praise, however i hear these can be a bit fragile, and my luck is that my butter fingers will drop it and kill it.

So then I start looking at the SVD, which seems like the best all arounder and probably what I will end up with here in the near future. The problem with the svd and the other chinese offerings is they all run the same or similar 33hz chip sets, which give you the rattle snake effect.

And then we get to the Provari, which in my opinion is the best looking, appears to be the most reliable, but is out dated by its lack of variable wattage, but runs at 66hz and prevents the "rattle snake effect" and is incredibly accurate.

So why is it that we cannot get a provari with variable wattage or a chinese mod which operates at 66hz? I know the darwin is out there, but I cannot get over the form factor.

So whats best? Deal with the rattle snake but have the comfort of variable wattage? Or get used to using a chart, and adjust voltage accordingly with the provari? I am not a fiddler with my settings. I am getting into rebuilding coils on my protank, and I think setting the wattage and letting the processor deal with the appropriate voltage seems to be the easier route.

Or is it going to be my luck that I will thump down the money for the provari v2.5 and 2 weeks later the v3 with variable wattage will be released?


Edit: Thread title should be APV's.... Stupid fingers.

 

[AegisPrime]

Both the Innokin iTaste VV3 and MVP 2.0 run at a higher PWM like the ProVari (800hz?) and don't exhibit the 'rattlesnake' effect - not sure why more vendors (including Innokin themselves) don't do this.

*Edit* Oh, and the iTaste VTR runs at 66hz.

 

[Rossum]

It's sorta funny that Innokin's VV and MVP used high frequency PWM and produce a smooth output, but the SVD uses 33.3 Hz and produces rattlesnake sounds, despite the fact that all three devices have an almost identical user interface. My guess is it's because the SVD can accommodate stacked batteries and the high-frequency power control circuit used in the VV and MVP can't handle double the normal input voltage.

If you're willing to spend the money on a Provari, but want variable wattage, there's a couple of DNA 20 based devices that are in the same price range; the Vaporshark DNA and the Protovapor. Of course, neither of them is a round tube, and neither has immediately swappable batteries; instead both have integral charging via micro-USB.

 

[magman007]

Thanks for the info Aegis, I just can't get my self into a box mod. I never thought I would be this distraught over what to buy. I am sick and tired of paying for cartos and heads on various tanks, and I am wanting to build my own coils, so I decided on switching to a pro tank. Now I understand a lot of provari people have issues running the pro tanks without adapters due to airflow issues.

That being said, reliability is key and the provari really stands out in this respect.

Also, I have the problem where as soon as I buy something, the next greatest thing comes out. The Provari has been on the market relatively unchanged for quite a while, and I know within a month of buying one, the next best thing will come out. My 2 year anniversary is coming up in feb and I want to splurge a bit and kick the ego batteries.


Up until this weekend I had thought the SVD was the answer, and then the provari bug started biting.

 

[magman007]

Thanks for the info Rossum, I wish I knew more about the technology and what is on the forefront and in the works. its funny, I spend all day dealing with drones, autopilots, and assembly of said drones, yet a metal tube with a small controller has me distressed with what purchase I should make!

I am also hearing that the VW units are less durable. I hate to say it, but I think I am willing to deal with a funky button menu and using a chart to get my ideal vape settings than worry about whether or not the mod is going to work consistently.

 

[Rossum]

As long as you don't turn into one of the "brand P" cultists who believe their devices are already perfect and could never be improved, that's cool.

 

[p.opus]

Thanks for the info Aegis, I just can't get my self into a box mod.

I thought the same thing. That's why I purchased a iTaste vv3. VV/VW in very inexpensive and portable form factor. Collected up to 3 of them and thought I was set.

Then on an impulse I got one the MVP 2.0 energy series because I liked the color scheme. Never before has such an impulse buy been so good. While the MVP 2.0 does everything a vv3 does, It has a 2600 mAh battery, which means it will last at LEAST 2 days before I even think about recharging it. I also used it this weekend to make an emergency phone call when my battery was about dead in my phone....Yes it charges your cell phone. This means at 300 charge cycles, if it were my only battery I should not have to worry about the battery for almost two years.

I got used to holding the "box" a different way, and it's really not uncomfortable.

Needless to say, I gave away two of my vv3's for Christmas, bought a second MVP 2 to rotate between them and now my last vv3 is in my "pen jar" with a full Mini Protank of juice on my desk just in case I should ever show up for work without bringing my MVP with me.

And for $40 to $50, it can't be beat...

 

[Ed_C]

I thought about a SVD for some time, but I've read too many posts where the fire button stopped working in pretty short order. I have two iTastes VV V3s that I loved until my first one, which is only about 9 weeks old, dropped about 40% in battery capacity. Unless something else comes around that looks better, my next PV will be a ProVari or perhaps a mechanical with a kick. I would love to have VW but the track record of quality and support that Provape has shown is more important to me.

 

[yzer]

No APV is the perfect choice for everyone. Any APV can be damaged or lost and that's why the smart money is on owning two APVs. For sure, some break easier than others and some have a higher percentage of defects than others. The purchase prices, warranties and repair/replace costs vary widely.

A back-up unit is an essential part of the picture. No one should buy just one APV. A back-up should be capable of producing vapor of the same quality as the primary unit. If it doesn't the vaper may be at higher risk of backsliding to smoking when the back-up is the only choice available.

APV owners and the way they use a device should be considered. Some are more mobile than others, some vape more than others, some are active in environments hostile to APVs and face it, some are good with appliances while others are klutzes. It seems that some people have an uncanny ability to break almost anything in short order while others seem to keep their toys forever. The nice thing about this VV/APV discussion forum is that you can read about all of these variables and make choices informed to some degree by shared experiences.

 

[yzer]

The "rattlesnake effect" is over-hyped. I hear the rattlesnake when using LR cartos at lower wattage and can't hear it when using SR or HR cartos at higher voltage. I don't notice a rattlesnake effect on vapor quality at all.