Thinking of getting a mechanical mod

[kbreeze]

Looking into getting my first vape, I have been deciding on getting a mechanical as my friends will be helping me. I will be getting a nemesis clone, as I hear they hit pretty hard as the original. I was wondering what else would I need? I was going to get sony 30A 18650 batteries, the chargers for it, and need a good atomizer. I was looking into getting a genesis type, as I'll be using it on the road and don't want to drip. What's the best one out there for a good price? and would be it safe to use this kind of coil setup :
How to build a dual cotton wick setup for the AGA-T2 atomizer - YouTube ? I've read that sub ohms are dangerous to the batteries. Also, with that, I'll just have to replace the cotton whenever its not hitting good correct? I wouldn't have to make new coils? Still learning, but I want to start off with a good one.

 

[MoDmAnDaN]

Hey there,

I'm not going to steer you away from what you're planning, but I don't recommend it for your very first vape device. What your describing is pretty advanced stuff and has one heck of a learning curve.

I always try to get "first time" vaperz on something a little simpler and easier to work with as your frustration levels may completely drive you away from vaping. And that's not what we want. The experience should be enjoyable and comfortable for you for a couple of months at least.

But...with that being said....

I don't have much experience with the mod you've chosen, but a couple of my friends have it and really like it. One thing to remember of genesis atties is that usually ,they don't like being laid over, they will leak most times. Coils on them ARE finicky (no matter what coil material and wick), so you should be ready to have to adjust it from time to time. The ATA-T2 is a very good atty for first time genny users, but again, are finicky. Always, ALWAYS check your coil with an ohm meter before you put it on a mod, don't want the battery venting in your face, not pleasant!

Your battery choice seems good, just be sure it's a IMR battery and since this is your first mech, invest in a 2 cent fuse, you'll be glad you did.

It's not so much that sub-ohm coils are dangerous, they just aren't what most folks choose. First, they can really damage the juice you're using and give you a flavor that's just simply...well...bad. Some juices shine on it...so you really need to experiment. Almost all the veteran vapers I know (including me)choose to build coils in whats knows as "dead mans land". This is usually around 1.1 to 1.4 ohms. I don't believe in that saying, it's old fashioned and not so true anymore. but I digress....

I would really start off with something other than cotton (for now). True, cotton is wonderful, but does not last long and can be hard to re-thread. Start off with silica at first, it's much much easier to work with, doesn't burn when cleaning and is just more forgiving. Or if your adventurous, try looking up vids on SS mesh. Not so easy, but lasts a very long time and really easy to clean!

Ok...now that I've said all that...if this is what you want to start with and you have good enough friends to help you every step of the way...you will need it, trust me...

then go for it. I've just seen way to many folks who thought as you and went back to smoking analogs because it just became to hard. Again, I don't want to put you off this wonderful path you're starting and I wish you all the best!!!

 

[kbreeze]

I've taken the time to read everything and make sure I know the risk of going mechanical, I won't give up if its not how I planned the first couple of days lol. What is a good geneiss style atomizer to use? I've been suggested Rsst

 

[MoDmAnDaN]

I've taken the time to read everything and make sure I know the risk of going mechanical, I won't give up if its not how I planned the first couple of days lol. What is a good geneiss style atomizer to use? I've been suggested Rsst

So you won't be swayed huh?? LMAO

Alrighty then...

They both have their pros and cons...

AGA-T, has an optional glass tank, holds up well against juices that would damage plastic tanks. Is harder to trap wires due the very small thumb nuts. It's heavy, but it's durable!
Able to run dual coils with some creativity.

RSST, currently only available with a plastic tank, but due to it's spring loaded wire trap, much easier to coil. Light, but not as durable. Cannot run dual coils without modification, at least I've never seen anyone who could.

Hope that helps!

Sent from my Note II using Tapatalk.

 

[sherifx]

I'll echo MoDmAnDan - mechanical for your first setup is insane. No amount of reading and video watching substitutes for the real life learning curve. I'm sure your friends' setups are pretty impressive, but going this route, especially if you screw up, is a surefire way to frustrate and even scare you to the point of never vaping again and potentially harming yourself. Lets not forget for a second that these things are bombs and vent holes help, but are not 100%. IMRs are great, but also have their limits. I've had a battery pop in my hands at about 2 feet from my chest. It was caused by a short on one of my early dripper builds... heart stopping for sure and lucky that I didn't end up with shrapnel in my chest. So I while I admire your drive and ambition, it is a bit foolhardy to jump in without coming to terms with that reality.

 

[MoDmAnDaN]

I'll echo MoDmAnDan - mechanical for your first setup is insane. No amount of reading and video watching substitutes for the real life learning curve. I'm sure your friends' setups are pretty impressive, but going this route, especially if you screw up, is a surefire way to frustrate and even scare you to the point of never vaping again and potentially harming yourself. Lets not forget for a second that these things are bombs and vent holes help, but are not 100%. IMRs are great, but also have their limits. I've had a battery pop in my hands at about 2 feet from my chest. It was caused by a short on one of my early dripper builds... heart stopping for sure and lucky that I didn't end up with shrapnel in my chest. So I while I admire your drive and ambition, it is a bit foolhardy to jump in without coming to terms with that reality.

I'm not so sure I would call it insane...maybe impulsive, maybe trying to run before you learn to crawl!!

But this is my point. You WILL get frustrated!! I do this as a hobby ( 4 to 5 hours a day of experimenting and failing sometimes) and I teach it to people. This is an art when you deal with building coils and dealing with more advanced stuff. There is just no satisfaction like building your first successful coil (note the successful part) and producing clouds of great tasting vapor. But you will fail, we all do.

At the very very least, purchase some inexpensive vape gear to go back to when learning!!!

I'm only trying to help!

 

[sherifx]

Hahaha, MoDmAnDaN, fair point, I used hyperbole in an attempt to drive the point home . That said, 100% on point. And def. good advice to get some basic starter stuff to vape while in the learning phase!

 

[kbreeze]

I'll be taking all the precautions I can with this. I know it is extremely dangerous, but I am not going into it blindly. I've settled on getting the RSST doing this coil setup.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...elix-hybrid-build-genesis-type-atomizers.html

I was wondering where can I get the SS he uses?

 

[Lessifer]

Make sure you get a multimeter so you can check the resistance of your coils and the voltage on your batteries.

 

[madqatter]

Looking into getting my first vape, I have been deciding on getting a mechanical as my friends will be helping me.... I was wondering what else would I need?

My first mod (though not my first vaporizer) is a mech (a Smoktech Magneto; a Sigelei 8W is arriving later this week). If you want to check out some of the equipment I got and some of my initial procedures, check out this thread.

Personally, I'd recommend, if you're as new to vaping and especially mechs as I am, that you move into this realm slowly and cautiously. I may not always use a kick in the future, for example, but I am doing it for now. It may not seem exciting to do it this way, but I think it's worthwhile to put safety first.

 

[Katya]

It may not seem exciting to do it this way, but I think it's worthwhile to put safety first.

Yeah, it's also very exciting to ride a bike without a helmet and proper protective clothing.

Dear OP, you say it's your very first foray into the world of vaping? Have you even tried vaping before? Do you enjoy it? Why do you want to start with a mech? What are you comparing it to? How do you know that's what you want?

My suggestion would be to get a nice, inexpensive vv/vw mod like Vamo or Sigelei or MVP, a good charger and good batteries (AW IMR are my favorite), a couple of good heads that can be rebuilt (like Kanger BCC ProTank or eVod or T3) and take it from there.

Good luck!

 

[Aluglio]

What's the rush? I got a vamo as my first step up from a cig a like, and even though I've since moved to mech mods, I still love the thing. Get a vv vw device first, you'll learn a lot and will be better equipped when it comes to a decision on a mech mod.

 

[Scarey]

At a little over a month, I'm running a mech with a genesis. I did, however, start by recoiling protank heads repeatedly, and rebuilding an RDA every time it did anything I didn't like. That means some days: never, other days: 4 times. Maybe, since you have friends that can teach you, you can learn some tricks, like I have from the vast wealth of online knowledge, but you're still gonna have some failures. You need a backup, and a backup for your backup. If that isn't enough, Genesis style atomizers aren't really portable. Buy a bloody protank or two, to get you through the rough days.

 

[Vapeaddikt]

Looking into getting my first vape, I have been deciding on getting a mechanical as my friends will be helping me. I will be getting a nemesis clone, as I hear they hit pretty hard as the original. I was wondering what else would I need? I was going to get sony 30A 18650 batteries, the chargers for it, and need a good atomizer. I was looking into getting a genesis type, as I'll be using it on the road and don't want to drip. What's the best one out there for a good price? and would be it safe to use this kind of coil setup :
How to build a dual cotton wick setup for the AGA-T2 atomizer - YouTube ? I've read that sub ohms are dangerous to the batteries. Also, with that, I'll just have to replace the cotton whenever its not hitting good correct? I wouldn't have to make new coils? Still learning, but I want to start off with a good one.

SubΩ's are dangerous to uninformed or misinformed users who don't do the due diligence as in anything in life to understand what they are doing to at least a basic safe working knowledge. Use Ω's law to make sure you don't over draw amps from your battery and watch for hard shorts and you should be fine.

 

[Baditude]

"Sometimes, just because you can doesn't mean you should."

This was a statement that PBusardo said recently about cloud chasers and extreme sport vaping. If you don't know who he is, he is the most recognized video reviewer of mods and vaping equipment online.

I don't know why the OP is insistant on a mechanical mod and an RBA for his very first e-cig device. But I agree with the sentiments of others posting previously, that this is NOT the setup to learn vaping on. There is way too much to learn at the beginning without adding additional danger into the mix. Too much can and will go wrong and set up an avalanche of errors that could be catastrophic.

ECF veterans, sometimes it's just wiser to put one's foot down and say, "No." Instead of complying with the eager yet foolhardy, why not focus on encouraging a simpler and safer setup for novices. Everyone needs a solid backup system anyway, which can be used later as needed once the OP has had time to learn with a less complex system.

For as simple and basic that a mechanical mod is in design, its pratical use is more complicated and complex than a regulated mod due to the fact that the user needs to be the "intelligence" to guard against unseen mechanical errors and human error. Mechanicals have absolutely no built-in protection and there is no room for error when using them. The user must become the built-in protection. I just don't see a novice vapor being able to learn & absorb everything there is to know right from the start no matter how thorough their research has been. The associated risks are just too high to run before you can crawl.

A regulated mod offers built-in protective circuitry which will shut the mod down before a catastophy can start. It is has the artificial intelligence that can see and react to a dangerous situation that even a well-seasoned vapor will not see. A regulated mod can do everything and more than a mechanical mod can do, with the exception of running sub-ohm coils on an RBA. I'm a very strong advocate that no novice should start out vaping with an RBA, let alone with sub-ohm coils.

My advice is to slow down and wade into the pool before diving head first and possibly breaking your neck. Get an affordable regulated mod like a Vamo and learn the basics of vaping. Start out with a simpler and more reliable juice delivery device such as a clearo or cartotank system to use initially, and have an RBA on the side to play with while you learn the ropes. This is the most sound advice that can be given. That's my .

 

[madqatter]

"Sometimes, just because you can doesn't mean you should."

This was a statement that PBusardo said recently about cloud chasers and extreme sport vaping. If you don't know who Phil is, he is the most recognized video reviewer of mods and vaping equipment online.

I don't know why the OP is insistant on a mechanical mod and an RBA for his very first e-cig device. But I agree with the sentiments of others posting previously, that this is NOT the setup to learn vaping on. There is way too much to learn at the beginning without adding additional danger into the mix. Too much can and will go wrong and set up an avalanche of errors that could be catastrophic.

PSA: Cloud Chasing is Dangerous

 

[Scarey]

"Sometimes, just because you can doesn't mean you should."

This was a statement that PBusardo said recently about cloud chasers and extreme sport vaping. If you don't know who Phil is, he is the most recognized video reviewer of mods and vaping equipment online.

I don't know why the OP is insistant on a mechanical mod and an RBA for his very first e-cig device. But I agree with the sentiments of others posting previously, that this is NOT the setup to learn vaping on. There is way too much to learn at the beginning without adding additional danger into the mix. Too much can and will go wrong and set up an avalanche of errors that could be catastrophic.

ECF veterans, sometimes it's just wiser to put one's foot down and say, "No." Instead of complying with the eager yet foolhardy, why not focus on encouraging a simpler and safer setup for novices. Everyone needs a solid backup system anyway, which can be used later as needed once the OP has had time to learn with a less complex system.

For as simple and basic that a mechanical mod is in design, its pratical use is more complicated and complex than a regulated mod due to the fact that the user needs to be the "intelligence" to guard against unseen mechanical errors and human error. Mechanicals have absolutely no built-in protection and there is no room for error when using them. The user must become the built-in protection. I just don't see a novice vapor being able to learn & absorb everything there is to know right from the start no matter how thorough their research has been. The associated risks are just too high to run before you can crawl.

A regulated mod offers built-in protective circuitry which will shut the mod down before a catastophy can start. It is has the artificial intelligence that can see and react to a dangerous situation that even a well-seasoned vapor will not see. A regulated mod can do everything and more than a mechanical mod can do, with the exception of running sub-ohm coils on an RBA. I'm a very strong advocate that no novice should start out vaping with an RBA, let alone with sub-ohm coils.

My advice is to slow down and wade into the pool before diving head first and possibly breaking your neck. Get an affordable regulated mod like a Vamo and learn the basics of vaping. Start out with a simpler and more reliable juice delivery device such as a clearo or cartotank system to use initially, and have an RBA on the side to play with while you learn the ropes. That's my .

Like always, Baditude has a point. I may have skipped regulated devices, an went to a mech after 30 days, and a genny on that mech after 35 day, but I spent all of my free time during that month researching the ins and outs of safety, and technique. Just ask my wife. She's almost sick of hearing about vaping, except for the fact that I'm not smoking. I sunk all of the energy an addict can muster, directly into replacing the addiction. Get a firm understanding of what can go wrong, and how to prevent it, before trying it out. Even after all of my research, any slight malfunction is enough to make me look at a coil toss it, and rebuild. I don't want to leave the baby I quit smoking for without a father before it's even born.

 

[madqatter]

I may have skipped regulated devices, an went to a mech after 30 days, and a genny on that mech after 35 day, but I spent all of my free time during that month researching the ins and outs of safety, and technique.

Yes, I also went to a mech after a month. But, like you, I've also invested a lot of time in studying safety. And, personally, I didn't get my mechs to chase clouds.

Get a firm understanding of what can go wrong, and how to prevent it, before trying it out.

And, honestly, even though my first mod is a mech, I'm not recommending that to anyone. If you're going to do it, be extremely cautious. But it would probably be better to take Baditude's advice and get a good regulated mod first.

 

[Katya]

PSA: Cloud Chasing is Dangerous

This is an eye opener--even for me.

Now even my mini ProVari with its 18350 battery inside looks dangerous...

*tiptoes out of the room in search of a Spinner*

 

[madqatter]

This is an eye opener--even for me.

I've reread it a few times myself, and I'm not even planning on doing any "extreme sport" vaping.