Thinking of getting into rebuildables....

[Cowboy192]

Ok so I've been watching vids and reading posts and I'm pretty sold on getting a kayfun pretty soon,
im not cloud chasing more about the flavour, so aiming for 1.2-1.8 ohm builds, also I love how my nautilus's work and taste I just want to be able to change flavours easier and save some money (I like pretty sweet rich juices that kill coils)

but......

i have a couple questions

one, I want my coils to be able to heat quickly so do I go for or light or heavier gauge wire?

two, I'm not looking at high wattage, or massive clouds (would like what I get from my nautilus but more taste and not having to pay ££££ for new coils) so with that aim will a kayfun run ok on an mvp2?

three, as a day to day device how practical is a kayfun? Can I use it out and about, is it prone to flooding etc?

 

[edyle]

Ok so I've been watching vids and reading posts and I'm pretty sold on getting a kayfun pretty soon,
im not cloud chasing more about the flavour, so aiming for 1.2-1.8 ohm builds, also I love how my nautilus's work and taste I just want to be able to change flavours easier and save some money (I like pretty sweet rich juices that kill coils)

but......

i have a couple questions

one, I want my coils to be able to heat quickly so do I go for or light or heavier gauge wire?

two, I'm not looking at high wattage, or massive clouds (would like what I get from my nautilus but more taste and not having to pay ££££ for new coils) so with that aim will a kayfun run ok on an mvp2?

three, as a day to day device how practical is a kayfun? Can I use it out and about, is it prone to flooding etc?

1: The kayfun isn't great for changing flavors. For changing flavors you'd want a dripper.

2: Lighter gauge heats up faster, but is more fiddly to work with; standard gauge used on rebuildables is 28 gauge.
30 gauge is a good all-round gauge that can be used in both rebuildables and recoiling clearomizer coils.
32 and 34 gauge is often used in clearmizer coils.
Cloud chasers tend you use the thicker gauge wire: 26, 24, 22.

3: A kayfun can run fine on an mvp2; but if you're using 28 gauge 1.8 ohm, ..... I dunno; I've vaped 8 watts on 28 gauge on my kayfun, but I could go up to 15 watts too on the same coil.

I'm thinking you should make sure to get some 30 gauge.
You could always pick up some 28 gauge too to experiment with.

 

[retic1959]

Ok so I've been watching vids and reading posts and I'm pretty sold on getting a kayfun pretty soon, im not cloud chasing more about the flavour, so aiming for 1.2-1.8 ohm builds, also I love how my nautilus's work and taste I just want to be able to change flavours easier and save some money (I like pretty sweet rich juices that kill coils) but...... i have a couple questions one, I want my coils to be able to heat quickly so do I go for or light or heavier gauge wire? two, I'm not looking at high wattage, or massive clouds (would like what I get from my nautilus but more taste and not having to pay ££££ for new coils) so with that aim will a kayfun run ok on an mvp2? three, as a day to day device how practical is a kayfun? Can I use it out and about, is it prone to flooding etc?

I agree with edyle , but I want to add that yes , a kayfun is excellent for out and about , they're very reliable and easy to build . Plus one on the 30ga kanthal for running it on an MVP , I prefer 28ga but I run at higher wattages then an MVP can provide .

 

[EBates]

Ok so I've been watching vids and reading posts and I'm pretty sold on getting a kayfun pretty soon,
im not cloud chasing more about the flavour, so aiming for 1.2-1.8 ohm builds, also I love how my nautilus's work and taste I just want to be able to change flavours easier and save some money (I like pretty sweet rich juices that kill coils)

but......

i have a couple questions

one, I want my coils to be able to heat quickly so do I go for or light or heavier gauge wire?

two, I'm not looking at high wattage, or massive clouds (would like what I get from my nautilus but more taste and not having to pay ££££ for new coils) so with that aim will a kayfun run ok on an mvp2?

three, as a day to day device how practical is a kayfun? Can I use it out and about, is it prone to flooding etc?

You are right on with the Kayfun. It is not a cloud chaser device. I own and use daily 4 Kayfun 3.1s. Leaking, flooding, had mine since June and no issues. IMO far better than any bottom coil tank I've used. I can't speak to the Nautilus for a comparison, they were the straw that pushed me to the Kayfun.

I build my KF using 32 ga kanthal a1 (from temco), I also have a roll of 30 ga but I feel that the 32 ga heats up faster. The target resistance is 2.5 ohms micro coil wrapped on either a 5/64 drill bit or 1/16 when using my Coiling Gizmo. Sterile cotton balls from walmart or CVS rolled and threaded loosely through the coil center.

I gave my two Nautilus tanks away after using. I find the flavor much better than any factory coil tank I've used. Note; I never tried the BVC coils in the naut, they were not readily available when I gave my nauts away.
Your MVP2 should be fine. I use mine on a Cana dna30 set at 7 watts, I've also used a Vamo and wife uses her 134 mini, Vamo v2, Sigelei Zmax mini with her KFs without issues.

The KF 3.1 is a little bigger than the Naut (IIRC). Where I go my KF goes. Flooding, Leaking has not been an issue. Got mine from FT, $22, I have read accounts of folks having issues with ones from other sources. So, I speak for the 8 wife and I own and use.

Note: the KF will most likely provide a higher nic hit than you are used to with factory coiled tanks. All of my ADVs had to be reduced from 18mg to 9-10mg.

Do Not Fire a Coil/Build That Has Not Had The Resistance Checked!

 

[invisiblehand13]

Agree with both comments above but in my experience (I work in a vape shop and do rebuilds all day) I HATE rebuildable tank attys and they are always more complicated than drippers IMO. This is just subjective on my end but I prefer drippers all day and everyone says "oh dripping just seems like a hassle" before they start and if you are into hobbies than building is an awesome hobby but you gotta be patient to get to where you wanna go sometimes, there is a learning curve but youtube is a great place to start learning, RIPtrippers is super annoying but also super informative, Grimmgreen is okay but a little boring IMO and then there is Vaping with twisted 420 who is just funny and upfront (love his foul mouth) but anyone who gives you advice is going to have a different opinion, the only way to know if you will like something is to get it and try it and dripping is really not as bad as it seems, I will NEVER go back to a tank again.

 

[Wolfenstark]

28-30 gauge should suit and heats up quickly with most mods.
My Kayfun Light + clone has had no leaking issues thus far albeit I just recently started using it.
Not a dripper it has a tank so that needs to be empty or for you to drain the liquid out then replace the wick to change flavours.

I'm currently using 29 gauge at 2Ω and 10-11 watts obviously different builds and wicking and your own preference can change things.

 

[WillyZee]

I have 5 Kayfuns and coil them all the same ... 8 wraps of 30ga give me 1.8ohm and I vape them at 3.8v

I bought these for peace of mind incase coils became hard to get or too expensive.

 

[invisiblehand13]

oh and as a side note as long as yo have good batteries (mxjo, purple efest, green imren, vtc3, 4 or 5) and you are using thin gauge wire (32, 30, 28 gauge) with at least 5 wraps you will never have a problem with building coils

 

[wheelie]

As a beginner I would get 28g and 30g. Seem to be the most forgiving sizes to work with. Get a bag of organic cotton and a bit of silica wick and you are good to go for just about everything you want to build.

 

[Cowboy192]

Cheers for the answers, I've discounted dripping as I want something with a tank that I can use all day, and I'm a truck driver who rarely has time sitting still, so it's got to work the same way as the kind of set up I have now, like I say I love my nautilus tanks but I'm just not so keen on having to bin coils because I have gone from coffee to vanilla or having to pay £3 for a new coil every few days as I chain vape, I can pick up the wire and cotton to last a few months for less than a pack of five aspire bvc's

 

[lvdisturbed1]

Yeah, for changing flavors I would also recommend an RDA over an RTA like the kayfun. There are many factors IMO that contribute to overall flavor: RDA design, airflow, coil build, wattage, and juice type.


Edit: Just saw your reply. Something else you can consider is rebuilding the coil heads on your nautilus. I can't post links yet, so lookup "rebuilding the nautilus" on YouTube and you should see a video by RiP Trippers that shows how. I personally wouldn't go that route though because it looks like a pita, but the option is there.

 

[krisjay]

I agree with everything that has been said. For changing flavors fast an RDA, but out and about an RTA is the way to go, however my choice would be an Orchid V3 or V4, the flavor is fantastic, and the clouds are there anyway, think of the huge clouds as a bonus.

 

[QU1T]

I bought a few RDA's / Drippers this week, new to it all also, just wanted to try it out...
Not really anything to it if you staying on single coils mate, like you, I am also not looking for clouds etc.

Well easy for changing flavours also, and well easy on the pocket! and results are ace, top notch flavour.

Edit: didn't see your post when i was writing this... go tanks go!

 

[samcrosjm]

Yes i agree with wheelie, 28G is one of my favorites.

 

[Kevin littell]

All of these folks saying that the KFL is hard to change flavors is are not telling the entire truth.


After 3 months of running one all day every day it takes me 5 minutes to rewick these puppies...About 45 seconds more to re-wick a dripper.


BUT, I keep 3 flavors around so I dont rewick to change flavor. I bought 3 KFLV2's.


No more dud's leaks or burning your last atomizer at 2am.....

I run a chimney coil @6 wraps 28 gauge Nichrome around a 5/64ths drill bit 6 times for about 1 ohm, wrap it n J cotton and its good for a week.


Jump in the water is fine.

 

[Oberon75]

I bought 28 since that's the highest gauge that my B&M carries but I hear 30 is what's recommended. I built my first coil with minimal issues and ended up with 1.7 ohms. Think I'm going to aim for 1.4 with my next one.

I have a Tobeco Kayfun Lite Plus. My only issue so far is a metallic taste which I hear is from the left over machine oil. I've soaked it a couple times but it's still there. I'm running it through the dishwasher right now, hoping that helps. I thought about boiling it but read somewhere that's not a good idea.

 

[Kevin littell]

Next time it needs to be wicked, take it apart completely and let it soak in a glass jar of water and dishsoap for an hour or so....Rinse it out well and try again.

1.4 Horizontal is a good build.


Do a youtube search for "kayfun chimney build" if you think the air draw is alittle tight try it. Get your coil off the deck or the deck acts as a heat sink (Rip Trippers video shows the coil on the deck. First time I built 9 wraps micro the bottom 2 wraps wouldn't heat up.)


What I found at 1.4 Horizontal is the first 8 ml of juice has GREAT flavor but by 15ml your ready for a re wick.

On the chimneys I typically run 30-45 ml's thru before I start to notice a drop in flavor.

I only re-coil if I want to play with the build. I just put a .6 ohm chimney spaced build in it and its alittle warm for me....But its wicking wonderfully and has excellent flavor. I have gotten a month out of a 28 ga coil, the 30's and 32's dont seem to last as long, they tend to break at the worst spot when trying to remove an old gunky wick.

Happy hunting!


IMHO YMMV

 

[edyle]

I bought 28 since that's the highest gauge that my B&M carries but I hear 30 is what's recommended. I built my first coil with minimal issues and ended up with 1.7 ohms. Think I'm going to aim for 1.4 with my next one.

I have a Tobeco Kayfun Lite Plus. My only issue so far is a metallic taste which I hear is from the left over machine oil. I've soaked it a couple times but it's still there. I'm running it through the dishwasher right now, hoping that helps. I thought about boiling it but read somewhere that's not a good idea.

The base where the coil screws on. Where the airholes are; where the fill hole is; there's places in that base where machine oil can get trapped; so just the base in particular needs special attention; and some fill ports have a valve; an overnight soak in dish soap should clean it; a needle bottle can help to try to flush the fill port and airholes; then a long soak after rinsing in hot water to get the soap out.