Thinking of giving up vaping.

[garlicfiend]

I notice certain eliquids are better about it than others, Space Jam isn't as bad but the stores around me are out of stock so I am vaping OB by suicide bunny-does it really bad- and menage a trois by ruthless, which isn't as bad. Both are 12 mg. I tend to prefer creamier/dessert flavors.

I vape a lot of Suicide Bunny OB, and yeah, it can be pretty harsh. I never vape it first thing in the morning. I would Highly recommend any flavors from Hurricane Vapors. So far, everything I've tried from them has been especially smooth. My favorite is Apricot Horchata. I vape 18 mg, and everytime I pick it up, I would swear it had 0. It's just that smooth. And delicious. It's the one sweet vape I really enjoy.

It's unlikely that you'll find them in a local store, you'd have to order them online. But you can order samples really cheap. I highly recommend giving them a try, and ordering the 70/30 VG/PG. If it keeps you vaping, it would be worth it.

 

[The Torch]

Could you try to describe what causes the cough? Harsh hit, tickling in the throat, scracthy feeling, burn sensation, ...?

I vape some juices that will make me cough like mad in some instances. Fruit flavors almost always tickle my throat to the point I cough at the slightest inhale unless I let them sit for over a month or air them to the point they lose any taste. A lot of higher end juices get me to cough as they seem to give me some "scratchy" feeling in my throat. Some of my juices only make me cough in the morning or the evening but are fine during normal working hours.

You have tried 50-50 to 100% VG, but what about higher PG ratio? It's easy to blame throat hit, but VG is hard on the lungs while PG is more of a throat thing.

Also good to know, a lot of smokers will find e-juice make them cough for no apparent reason at first, then it goes away with no apparent reason either.

Almost forgot: regular (lower end) juices seem to give me less problems with coughing unless they're fruity vapes.

 

[Altaire Versailles]

In my 2 years vaping I can tell you the juices that irritate me are the cheap ones. Only company who makes juices where none have given me irritation no matter how much I vape or at what nic level is 5 pawns. Besides the fact that they make the most quality flavors in my opinion, thats why theyre my go to company pretty much. Everything else, to differing degrees, taste dry and irritating. I still vape AiV because I love thier flavors, but I can only handle so much. I tried vaping through the nose, and it was a serious mistake because the same irritation I would get in my throat, I would get really bad in my nasal cavity and one night I vaped through my nose alot on a bender and I was sneezing and smelling like this rotten smell for like a month. and my whole face felt swollen.

Sometimes I just have to dial back on how much I vape for it not to happen. Doesnt matter if the flavor is light or strong, what type of flavoring, how dense it is, it still happens, except with 5 pawns. I used to think it was the pg but all 5 pawns is 50/50 so I couldnt tell you what it is...I just know I have to vape 5 pawns to not get so irritated and swollen I cant vape.

 

[Jazzman]

Take all your vaping gear to your vape shop and explain the problem to them. Since it doesn't happen with their equipment they would likely be able to help. Most vape shops are very proactive about helping their customers and they must have at least one person there with enough knowledge to help you over this bump.

 

[sincerelysasquatch]

Altaire, your post has definitely gotten me interested in 5 pawns. Curious, have you tried Space Jam? It's the least irritating I, myself, have found so far.

Sent from my LG-LS860 using Tapatalk

 

[Altaire Versailles]

Altaire, your post has definitely gotten me interested in 5 pawns. Curious, have you tried Space Jam? It's the least irritating I, myself, have found so far.

Sent from my LG-LS860 using Tapatalk

No I havent, who makes it? Ive pretty much stopped looking for new juices at this point, most of the juice I have I never touch because my first thing I grab is gonna be something from 5 pawns. most of the other juice just sits until it tastes wierd and I end up throwing it out...I do kinda sound like a commercial or something probably but it is what it is...

 

[Spencer87]

Easier liquid... in terms of flavors, no citrussy things, maybe... and then pure VG juice.

And then get an RDA, or at least an RBA... because then you dont need to worry about gunky coils. build to an ohm... should fire on any device....and a mech mod... cuz they rock

 

[AndriaD]

thanks for the suggestions guys. Something weird I have noticed is that the coughing and stinging go away completely if I have a cigarette before I vape? I know it defeats the purpose but I have still been smoking about 1 pack/week and I notice I almost always pick up my ecigarette after a cigarette since the vaping will be smooth. Crx, I will try what you said. I have some glycerin sitting around, going to make sure it is 100 percent vg. It's unrelated but I use it to clean my tongue when I get a coating (something I have struggled with as long as I can remember- it works really well. Just a little trick for anyone else here who struggles with this).
I am just really frustrated. I notice certain eliquids are better about it than others, Space Jam isn't as bad but the stores around me are out of stock so I am vaping OB by suicide bunny-does it really bad- and menage a trois by ruthless, which isn't as bad. Both are 12 mg. I tend to prefer creamier/dessert flavors.

Something else I have noticed... which indicates it may be the nic or my tanks, when I try a flavor in stores it never seems to do it. But when I get a bottle home, blagh.

Sent from my LG-LS860 using Tapatalk

It sounds like it very well might be the nicotine causing it; most stores' test tanks use 6mg. You could try it, see if it helps any. Lower nic really will be easier on your throat.

The thing about smoking beforehand... tobacco has chemicals added to it to make it taste "smooth"... basically topical anesthetic. so when you vape after smoking, you're still feeling the effect of the topic anesthetic, also your mucus membranes are so hyper-stimulated by hot smoke and thousands of chemicals, they kind of go into a coma or something -- after hot chemical-laden smoke, ANYTHING feels better!

I've read a couple of your posts, and with your health conditions, you may be right; it might be a lot better if you don't smoke OR vape; but, I know that can be a really tall order. If you try to not do either, but feel a temptation, using an e-cig would really be a far better choice than succumbing to a cigarette, for several important reasons: first off, the obvious: it's not as bad for you as cigarette smoke, because it lacks all those carcinogens. 2nd, if you're using just nicotine ejuice and not WTA, then you aren't reinforcing your addiction to the MAOIs in tobacco, and if you have an anxiety disorder, breaking that particular addiction could be crucial for long-term non-smoking, but with that anxiety disorder, that will also be really difficult; every cigarette you smoke just reinforces that addiction that much more. But this idea of trying to break the whole addiction, not just to cigarettes but all of it, will be made easier by using a lower-mg nicotine, which I do think would be easier on your throat.

I hope you can find a way to get yourself healthier, and not have to deal with total withdrawal; it sounds very much like rock against hard place.

Andria

 

[The Torch]

^^ good point. I tend to mix 12 or 9 mg with 6mg to get closer to 7.5-8 mg, but when it's not shaken enough, I get either major insulting throat hit with almost no flavor or flavor with no throat hit.

 

[Silence]

Do you by chance have bad reflux? GERD can cause damage in the throat. Nicotine will irritate that damage. I'm no Dr. but I have severe GERD. The only way my throat stops hurting is with a week or 2 of Nexium.

 

[The Torch]

Do you by chance have bad reflux? GERD can cause damage in the throat. Nicotine will irritate that damage. I'm no Dr. but I have severe GERD. The only way my throat stops hurting is with a week or 2 of Nexium.

Are you asking me or the OP?
I have no reflux problem unless I drink 12 beers, a bottle of wine, eat a full bag of BBQ chips and half a sugar pie. Then I'd sometimes get reflux in the middle of the night.

I do have a very sensitive throat, nose and lungs. It's really a wonder how I have been able to smoke for so long, but I never fully inhaled and never exhaled through my nose - never could unless I had 12 beers and a bottle of wine. I suspect all the beer drinking and smoking made my throat more sensitive over time.

 

[Silence]

Are you asking me or the OP?

It was for the OP... Sorry, I didn't make it clear. I just know I would HATE for something like this to happen to me and would love for the OP to find the answer. Just trying to think outside the box here.

 

[AndriaD]

^^ good point. I tend to mix 12 or 9 mg with 6mg to get closer to 7.5-8 mg, but when it's not shaken enough, I get either major insulting throat hit with almost no flavor or flavor with no throat hit.

I always have to do this, since 6mg isn't nearly strong enough, but 12mg just a tad too strong; so every really good ejuice that I really like, I have to order both 6mg and 12mg and mix them, so I end up at about 10mg, which seems just about the perfect strength for me. This is also why I'm moving more and more towards total DIY, buying 2 diff strengths gets expensive.

Andria

 

[The Torch]

I always have to do this, since 6mg isn't nearly strong enough, but 12mg just a tad too strong; so every really good ejuice that I really like, I have to order both 6mg and 12mg and mix them, so I end up at about 10mg, which seems just about the perfect strength for me. This is also why I'm moving more and more towards total DIY, buying 2 diff strengths gets expensive.

Andria

You have a much better margin than me: 6 = nothing, 9 = choking hazard and slight burning sensation. Somehow I have a feeling the content might not be as advertised and I should air out that 9mg a bit.

 

[cags]

sorry if this has been mentioned and I missed it.

I vape unflavored most of the time. maybe if you tried some unflavored it would tell you if it is flavorings or not.

 

[AndriaD]

You have a much better margin than me: 6 = nothing, 9 = choking hazard and slight burning sensation. Somehow I have a feeling the content might not be as advertised and I should air out that 9mg a bit.

Maybe so. I *can* vape 12mg, it doesn't bother me in the vaping, I love throat hit! It's only after I've been vaping it for awhile, I start getting those sharp twinges in my abdomen, which turn into feeling like little knives are stabbing all over my abdomen, and I know I have to STOP vaping immediately or the next thing is nausea -- a/k/a fate worse than death.

Andria

 

[The Torch]

Maybe so. I *can* vape 12mg, it doesn't bother me in the vaping, I love throat hit! It's only after I've been vaping it for awhile, I start getting those sharp twinges in my abdomen, which turn into feeling like little knives are stabbing all over my abdomen, and I know I have to STOP vaping immediately or the next thing is nausea -- a/k/a fate worse than death.

Andria

I think it is important to also mention that the device used to vape will make a huge difference. My daily vapes are in a Russian 91% and Kayfun clone. In those, I can't really stand all the way up to 9mg nicotine, else it feels too harsh and can lead to headaches and that is really what I have been writing about (should have mentioned that earlier, sorry for those who might get confused). In a Nautilus, I can go as high as 12mg with much less problems. In a regular Aspire tank, I try to keep it lower than 18mg, but I can pull it off easily. The real important part is to know when to switch to something less harsh (and when to drink more water).

 

[AndriaD]

I think it is important to also mention that the device used to vape will make a huge difference. My daily vapes are in a Russian 91% and Kayfun clone. In those, I can't really stand all the way up to 9mg nicotine, else it feels too harsh and can lead to headaches and that is really what I have been writing about (should have mentioned that earlier, sorry for those who might get confused). In a Nautilus, I can go as high as 12mg with much less problems. In a regular Aspire tank, I try to keep it lower than 18mg, but I can pull it off easily. The real important part is to know when to switch to something less harsh (and when to drink more water).

That's really weird, and I've heard others say it too, that nic delivery is different for different devices, but I don't find much difference -- the vape shop I like to taste at, he uses Volcano bottom-coil tanks, but after I've been tasting for awhile, and some of the taster tanks are 12mg, I get the stomach pains. I vape 10mg in my kayfuns, my cartotank, or my dripper, and don't really notice much difference between them. When I first started, vaping 12mg from an eRoll gave me stomach pains AND nausea.

Andria

 

[The Torch]

That's really weird, and I've heard others say it too, that nic delivery is different for different devices, but I don't find much difference -- the vape shop I like to taste at, he uses Volcano bottom-coil tanks, but after I've been tasting for awhile, and some of the taster tanks are 12mg, I get the stomach pains. I vape 10mg in my kayfuns, my cartotank, or my dripper, and don't really notice much difference between them. When I first started, vaping 12mg from an eRoll gave me stomach pains AND nausea.

Andria

RBA is usually much more direct on nic intake and throat hit, but juices will also make a difference and we also are all different. I have less problems with organic juice than I get with the cheaper type of juice. Coil build, power, air hole setting, wicking, technique and other physical factors will also make a big difference. It is extremely hard to compare one-to-one unless using an identical setup with the same person.

 

[AndriaD]

RBA is usually much more direct on nic intake and throat hit, but juices will also make a difference and we also are all different. I have less problems with organic juice than I get with the cheaper type of juice. Coil build, power, air hole setting, wicking, technique and other physical factors will also make a big difference. It is extremely hard to compare one-to-one unless using an identical setup with the same person.

I think most folks probably use a very different kind of coil for an RDA, and maybe even low- or sub-ohm, but I build for my Igo-S precisely the same way I build for my kayfun: about 1.8 to 2 ohms, and generally run it at about the same wattage as I run the kayfuns, around 8w-9w or so. I wanted an RDA with tighter airflow, hence the Igo-S, so it would be similar to a kayfun, since I only use my RDA for tasting, not just sitting around vaping. It does give more intense TH, so I might run it a little lower than my kayfuns, since I want the taste and experience to be as similar as I can make it, so I can tell if a juice would be good in a kayfun. If it's not so great, then I try it in a carto. Right now I only have one cartotank, but I found them for $6 at VaporKings, so I'm thinking of getting a couple more.

Andria