Thinning VG with NO Additives/Water/Vodka

[sparkky1]

Aqueous glycerin is not a new concept, since the introduction of high powered coils / juiceflow control to the market, there hasn't been much need to use it ................
Eliquid Bases

 

[Nunanimo]

Prolonged exposure to heat makes it permanently thinner then? So would I need a particular piece of equipment to hold it at a specified temp? Or is traditional water bath method the best way to go?

Thanks so much for this discussion opening up like this. My scientist friend is delaying the conversation she promised me. I think she was too busy to truly look into it for me.

 

[Nunanimo]

I think a lot of people here (as in most/all/everyone) won't take the idea seriously that your vape shop spins all it's VG in a centrifuge and throws out all the heavy stuff, just skimming the light stuff off the top. Assuming VG even separates, which it probably doesn't. As I understand it, there is only one VG molecule. It is not a collection of dissimilar molecules that might separate.

You are also the only person I've ever heard here even suggesting that nicotine needs to be "steeped" into VG. The rest of the world steeps the flavors into the base. The fact that your shop claims to do that is surely raising a lot of eyebrows here.

I am very impressed with their marketing though... wasn't it Einstein who suggested that great marketing is indistinguishable from magic, or did I get that all mixed up?

The steeping of the base with the nicotine is something that they've been doing from the beginning and never made a secret of it.

It makes some sense when you think about it. These are all ingredients that need to bind together over time and as a retail store that makes juices on demand, it makes sense that every other ingredient besides flavour has had its chance to steep too. It's all part of that 'smoother' Vape experience from what I've been made to understand.

Nicotine levels translate to the harshness of the Vape, the carrying of flavour and the darkness of the liquid (thus the life expectancy of the coil). Whenever I DIY my liquid, as inexperienced as I admit I am, I follow this as a general rule. Steep the base, add the flavour. I dunno, is it a silly idea in the grand scheme of things? Does anyone else do it? Curious now lol. Just made sense to me when I found out about it.

 

[sparkky1]

The steeping of the base with the nicotine is something that they've been doing from the beginning and never made a secret of it.

It makes some sense when you think about it. These are all ingredients that need to bind together over time and as a retail store that makes juices on demand, it makes sense that every other ingredient besides flavour has had its chance to steep too. It's all part of that 'smoother' Vape experience from what I've been made to understand.

Nicotine levels translate to the harshness of the Vape, the carrying of flavour and the darkness of the liquid (thus the life expectancy of the coil). Whenever I DIY my liquid, as inexperienced as I admit I am, I follow this as a general rule. Steep the base, add the flavour. I dunno, is it a silly idea in the grand scheme of things? Does anyone else do it? Curious now lol. Just made sense to me when I found out about it.

The flavor is the "only" ingredient that needs to steep, have you never mixed with a tobacco, custard or cream before, have you ever noticed how "certain flavors" gunk up coils faster and how it takes max VG longer to properly soak up all of the flavor molecules ? what in the world would ever make you think nicotine needs to steep ? as it only oxidizes and furthermore should / does, have no taste nor would it "add" any "smoothness", my guess is their nic is low budget (fish guts) and they "need" to cut it with water and make up large set mg batches for on the fly mixes
for the day's to come ..........

 

[VNeil]

The steeping of the base with the nicotine is something that they've been doing from the beginning and never made a secret of it.

It makes some sense when you think about it. These are all ingredients that need to bind together over time and as a retail store that makes juices on demand, it makes sense that every other ingredient besides flavour has had its chance to steep too. It's all part of that 'smoother' Vape experience from what I've been made to understand.

Nicotine levels translate to the harshness of the Vape, the carrying of flavour and the darkness of the liquid (thus the life expectancy of the coil). Whenever I DIY my liquid, as inexperienced as I admit I am, I follow this as a general rule. Steep the base, add the flavour. I dunno, is it a silly idea in the grand scheme of things? Does anyone else do it? Curious now lol. Just made sense to me when I found out about it.

Nice marketing pitch but where are all the DIYers reporting that Nic smoothes out as it steeps or ages? Your idea (or their idea) simply has no empirical evidence.
This has lots of empirical evidence: nicotine oxidizes, and then loses potency and/or gets harsh (not smooth). Once mixed with flavoring it should not be chilled below ambient temps.

For that reason, I steep my own larger batches of juice without nic, and add the nic to smaller batches as needed. There are some other reasons I do this, mainly so I can make different nic concentrations from a large batch. And I can shake my juice all I want without worrying about the side effect of oxidizing the nic while I leave the juice breathing (open top).

Even 100mg concentrate is already "steeped" into a 90% PG or VG base, depending on how it was mixed. When you dilute 100mg nic you are just adding more dilution to something already well steeped and diluted, if you think that is important (most of us do not of course). So the idea of steeping it does not make a whole lot of sense.

 

[classwife]

moved to DIY E-Liquid from General E-Liquid Discussion

 

[glasseye]

Aqueous glycerin is not a new concept, since the introduction of high powered coils / juiceflow control to the market, there hasn't been much need to use it ................
Eliquid Bases

This. I would bet good money it's AVG. It's already prepared so they're not really telling you a lie, they're just not adding anything else. Totally Wicked sells it.

 

[sparkky1]

This. I would bet good money it's AVG. It's already prepared so they're not really telling you a lie, they're just not adding anything else. Totally Wicked sells it.

Exactly, it's an older concept for older devices .....................