This Arrest is VERY scary in HK

[Liberate_Yourself]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... Yeaaaaah..

That doesn't sound too promising.. I'll talk to my manufacturers tonight and ask them about it.. They'd know more then we could find out on our own I think. I'll post my findings..

 

[rickstar009]

That's not! Scary.....That's completely frightening!! ..and absolutely ridiculous!......Government greed and taxes ...taxes ...taxes ...or jail we will go ...This just makes me GrrrrrrrRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

This is sadly just the beginning....get out your wallet guys because before this is all said and done are e-cigarettes are going to cost us dearly....and in more ways than one!..... 8-o

 

[Seraph]

im confused here ...
so a cartridge has 26 mg's or so of nic in it. Do we get all of that into the body when we vape? I mean a mild siggy is like 10 mgs. I thought with vaping we had to up the nic to get around the same hit in as a real sig.

help me in my ignorance pls.

 

[bml]

This is my post from another thread:
“Another article from Hong Kong newspaper, but it is in Chinese. I’m not good in translation, so I’m only pointing out some points.
ŸThe spokeman from Hong Kong's Department of Health said that the vapor has 2nd hand smoke effect, so it affects other people’s health. (omg, he actually said that.)
ŸIn addition to the arrest in Sham Shui Po, they arrest a man who owns a e-cig store in a mall located in Wan Chai. However, they didn’t arrest another owner who owns another e-cig store in the same mall. (I don’t know why another store is okay.)
ŸOne of the type seized electronic cigarettes is made by Syjinlong, which is a children company of Ruyan. Ruyan is on Hong Kong stock exchange. (0329.HK)

I think it’s gonna be alright. Especially when a ten years old can buy real cigarette at seven-eleven in Hong Kong, they cannot ban e-cigs. Also look at dealextreme.com, which is located in Hong Kong, they are still selling e-cigs.”

I’ve been lived in Hong Kong for more than 15years, I can say after a few months people will forget about this arrestment, and then they will start selling e-cigs again. Also, if Ruyan is powerful enough they can ask China government to give pressure to Hong Kong government for making e-cig legal. However, may be that will make Ruyan as the only legal e-cig in Hong Kong.
For those who don’t know, China government has the power of choosing who has the power to vote in Hong Kong, and who will be Hong Kong governor, too.

 

[PTJD]

WOW, just arrived 2 days ago to Korea from Hong Kong. I proudly Vaped in the streets and discreetly in the lobby of the Kowloon Renaissance Hotel Lobby!!! Will be posting pics from my flight soon.
Oh, in Hong Kong you can't smoke in public indoor space and even public outdoor parks etc... Now the Airport does have smoking rooms.

 

[Idahojo]

I believe I've seen a report showing that Nicotine helps with Alzheimers (sp?) symptoms.

 

[TropicalBob]

You have -- and this mess has nothing to do with "health". You can read about nicotine's consequences -- good and bad -- in the Health section.

This is about money. This is political. Tobacco taxes went up and all of a sudden the government noticed e-cigs. So some arrests are made, to send a signal, to make an example of a seller. Heavy smokers need not think of moving to e-cigs. That's the message. No need to look further for the motive behind this move.

Advertisements for e-cigarettes have been pumped out since Financial Secretary John Tsang Chun-wah slapped a 50 percent tax on tobacco last week.

The defense rests.

 

[trog100]

You have -- and this mess has nothing to do with "health". You can read about nicotine's consequences -- good and bad -- in the Health section.

This is about money. This is political. Tobacco taxes went up and all of a sudden the government noticed e-cigs. So some arrests are made, to send a signal, to make an example of a seller. Heavy smokers need not think of moving to e-cigs. That's the message. No need to look further for the motive behind this move.



The defense rests.

yep.. thats what its about.. except i would say.. Heavy Chinese smokers need not think of moving to e-cigs.

trog

 

[NicoNut]

If they were really getting $600. a kit...I sure hope there was something other than nicotene in those carts!

 

[Misty]

WOW, just arrived 2 days ago to Korea from Hong Kong. I proudly Vaped in the streets and discreetly in the lobby of the Kowloon Renaissance Hotel Lobby!!! Will be posting pics from my flight soon.
Oh, in Hong Kong you can't smoke in public indoor space and even public outdoor parks etc... Now the Airport does have smoking rooms.

Love the Renaissance hotel..wish I was there again..
and yes..the airport has those smoking rooms..horrendous!..75 people in a 8x12 room ..it absolutly reeks..gonna love going back to HK this year with an e-cig..for the hotel room & and the airport in a discreet corner

 

[strell]

Hmm...I've got two separate shipments coming from HK right now. One didn't ship until the day this article hit - I wonder if I'll get them. I'm thinking I will, since at least this article seems to really focus on in-country HK regulations and doesn't mention exporting.

 

[bml]

If they were really getting $600. a kit...I sure hope there was something other than nicotene in those carts!

$600 HK dollars < $80 US dollars, so it's not that bad.

 

[Gravity_Tester]

Unreal. I keep my ear out for governmental intrusions, particularly because of my uber-pariah position of being not only a smoker, but a gun owner as well. You want to talk about stupid nanny state drivel? Look into the constant effort to demonize firearms and their owners.

 

[basslion]

im confused here ...
so a cartridge has 26 mg's or so of nic in it. Do we get all of that into the body when we vape? I mean a mild siggy is like 10 mgs. I thought with vaping we had to up the nic to get around the same hit in as a real sig.

help me in my ignorance pls.

24mg, yeah if you get the ultra high cartridges. 10mg yeah thats the mediums and if you take your 15 puffs which equals approx. 1 cigarette you should be fine. I think if the manuals that accompany the e-cigarettes were done alot better and gave consumers a chart of how to smoke the e-cigarette and how much actual nicotine you get from a puff, it would help.

I think e-liquid is the only way to go, because with cartridges, its hard to regulate how many cigarettes you are smoking unless you go by the 15 puff rule, but then how big are the 15 puffs you are taking?

Also with Cartridges, if they decide to make each cartridge equal a single traditional cigarette, it would be quite a waste of plastic on our earth.

I think E-Liquid should be less concentrated and more diluted so that when we put 4-5 drops in the cartridge it will be equivalent to 1 traditional cigarette.

 

[andreo]

It seems that every negative article that I see about e-cigs always bring up the nicotine. I wonder if we should focus more on the oral fixation part and mention the nicotine as side point.
Maybe also go as when mentioning the nicotine start with the lowest dose first and downplay the higher doses.
I have a couple of customers that likes to vape. But they don't want any nicotine.

I can't remember any articles off hand that mention anything beyond the nicotine. I've even written email to anti-smoking groups asking them if they are simply against tobacco or anything that delivers nicotine. I've never received a reply.

I understand that nicotine can be dangerous, but why is it OK for me if it's used in a patch, gum, or inhaler form. But all of a sudden it's bad if it's used in an e-cig?

 

[TropicalBob]

I understand that nicotine can be dangerous, but why is it OK for me if it's used in a patch, gum, or inhaler form. But all of a sudden it's bad if it's used in an e-cig?

The answer is that nicotine in approved Nicotine Replacement Therapy products like gums and patches has been tested for safety and had clinical trials reviewed by the Food and Drug Administration. Nothing about the nicotine in e-liquid has been so tested (although the Health New Zealand tests on Ruyan liquid are extremely supportive). The FDA should be open to reviewing scientific evidence of e-smoking's safety and efficacy. But there is none.

The other products, as well, are meant to transition a smoker from cigarettes to abstinence. They are for quitting, in other words. E-smoking is not about quitting. It's about sustaining an addict's nicotine level.

We also do not know the source or even the type of nicotine used in many e-liquids. It might be different from the type the FDA has approved for use in pharmaceuticals. If it is different, get ready for a ban. If it's the same as Big Pharma's nicotine, then get ready for a delay while essential trials are conducted on the new drug our liquid mixture represents.

 

[ladybug51]

The FDA should be open to reviewing scientific evidence of e-smoking's safety and efficacy. But there is none.

If it is different, get ready for a ban. If it's the same as Big Pharma's nicotine, then get ready for a delay while essential trials are conducted on the new drug our liquid mixture represents.

With all the e-smoking world wide, and the distributors who at risk of loosing their massive stuffed wallets, why isn't there something going on to push this into study?

A reason for me to grap what I can while the grabbings good for future use? Or, is this being made into a mountain too soon to cause this type of reaction? It will take time to push anything into a ban state once we know it's happening.

Either way, I will not go back to fags nor will I stop playing like I'm smoking. For me, it's the act of smoking that keeps me from quitting. I've quit before for lengthy periods. The actual act of is what brings me back. Once the nicotine is gone, just give me something that makes me feel like I'm still smoking.

The end.

 

[ladybug51]

It seems that every negative article that I see about e-cigs always bring up the nicotine. I wonder if we should focus more on the oral fixation part and mention the nicotine as side point.

Oops. Read yours after my post. My sentiments exactly on this part.

You just said it better.

 

[basslion]

bottom line, e-liquid is frowned upon because they say it is not regulated. USA or FDA see any imported narcotic as questionable because they want to make sure it is what it is and the specified dosage is in fact the specified dosage. Honestly to all E-Smokers this is fine, as it means you will be e-cmoking for a long time and eventually it will be confirmed regulated although im sure it already is. The problem is for distributors as they will need to purchase from regulated sellers ie: government approved suppliers.

 

[nycsublimegirl]

There are little actual facts of the arrest case in the article....

It does not say they amounts of nicotine they were selling...just general ecig amounts..

It does not say how and to whom they were selling them,that caused the arrest... (could very well be they were avoiding taxes)

It states that HK law requires all nicotine products to be registered... a law we do not have in the US...a loophole we are all to familiar with...it could be that they were purposely avoiding or misrepresenting this paperwork.....

it could be due to knockoff's against registered patents.. etc...

This article could be a total lie and misinformation uploaded by the Chinese big tobacco...trying to strike fear about buying e-cigs since the gigantic tax hike... (that is actually what my manufacturer said).....


Was this picked up by the associated press??? I doubt it due to the reasons I have stated above....

If they were banned in HK ....it is likely for just thier use...and would still be allowed to export..... and if not...... HK is still very much separated from the rest of China...