This is a new one from the fear-mongering crowd

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Petrodus

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I noticed this
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article earlier today...
 

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The comments section there is noteworthy. Some of the guys really told LEP to shut-the-F-up, literally.
-I always get my medical advice from cabbies. Much better than medical professionals. -1st one
-I must congratulate the LEP on one of the most lazy, unsubstantiated, moronic articles I've read this year. -3rd
-The £3 bit that got me. Are you real? -4th
-And any dentist or doctor who recommends smoking over a reduced harm product needs to have his license revoked! -5th
-You interview one person who used an e-cig for 4 days and it gets headline news? -6th
-Why not do some actual research before posting this sort of thing? -7th
-As for the e-cig costing Chris only £3 that probably serves him right for being a cheap skate & buying junk. -Last one


Enuff said.
 
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Again---

ECF is a wealth of information with literally hundred of thousands of threads and over 5 million posts. This makes links from ECF worth a lot in terms of "Google juice". We have a policy here of denying this credibility (in search engine thinking) to junk science and other rubbish posts (like press releases).

If you want to bring a URL to the table that is to a site spouting rubbish and lies, please break the link by removing the http:// and spacing out the URL. See example below. This keeps the search engines from counting the link and giving them Google juice, yet still allows us human types to visit the site by simply rebuilding the URL in our browser's address window.
 

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For the benefit of new members ...
Those opposed to e-smoking surf the ECF looking for anything
they can use to support their fear-mongering lies and propaganda.

I'm sure this form, "E-cigarettes in public" forum
and the "Health, Safety and E-Smoking" are amongst their favorites
to troll for negatives they can use against our movement.

They also Google ... just like we do.
Google archives our posts and comments ...
so we really need to be careful not to post "active click-able" links
to anti-ecig junk articles, blogs, etc
 

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Apologies, I thought I disabled it by putting in spacing. It should not be clickable. However, I didn't realize I needed to remove the Http. Forgive me and I will forever be grateful! =D I'll change it now.
No reason to apologize ... you broke the link so it's not clickable.

Qorax (post #4) ... posted a clickable link the junk article
Caridwen (ECF Moderator) ... removed the link (see the "Edit" in post #4)
 

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For the benefit of new members ...
Google archives our posts and comments ...
so we really need to be careful not to post "active click-able" links
to anti-ecig junk articles, blogs, etc

Pet, I have a question about the un-linking and google juice. What's the difference between linking within ECF and copying the link into your browser and clicking it? I'd think either way the article would get the hits and receive "juice". I know I'm missing something in the wonderful world of the net.
 

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Pet, I have a question about the un-linking and google juice. What's the difference between linking within ECF and copying the link into your browser and clicking it? I'd think either way the article would get the hits and receive "juice". I know I'm missing something in the wonderful world of the net.
The links we call "Broken Links" can NOT be just copied and pasted into the browser.
Example
www .lep .co.uk/news/health/local/electronic-cigarettes-fears-1-5642830
You have to first remove the spaces before the URL address is accurate.

Google ranks websites, blogs, and of course Articles ... in part, based on
how many other places on the Internet have "back-links" to those websites, blogs, and articles.

When Google's scanning robots see our threads...
They not only see and archive the "text" but also pick up and archive Active Links
and then follow those links...archiving where those links take them.

If the link is Not Valid IE Broken ... Google can not follow that link.

So....When we include "REAL" Clickable links...
Google will give "Juice" to the website, blogs, and Articles

In other words ... Google doesn't make moral judgments.
If there are a lot of places on the web with links to an article...
To Google ... That means many consider the Article to be Important
and of value.

PS:
I build websites and understand a little about Google "Ranking"
and in part that is based on how many other places on the web
have links to my websites. The higher the "Ranking" the more likely
my websites will appear at the beginning of search inquiries.

Did I make this as clear as mud ??
:laugh:

PS
Just noticed another member posting an article with a "broken link"

www[dot]lep[dot]co[dot]uk/news/health/local/electronic-cigarettes-fears-1-5642830"]Electronic-cigarettes fears - Local - Lancashire Evening Post

In this case the member instead of adding spaces...used "[dot]"
where a "." would appear in the real URL address.

Google doesn't recognize this as a link.
 
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www[dot]lep[dot]co[dot]uk/news/health/local/electronic-cigarettes-fears-1-5642830"]Electronic-cigarettes fears - Local - Lancashire Evening Post

I messed that one up, actually - it still includes some of the html from the original parsed link. Still broken, though! Now fixed in my original post. Didn't see this thread until now - well spotted, Linden!
 

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What A Joke! :laugh:

Absolutely Nothing was tested and he cannot be 100% sure it is the liquid, yet claims
it is the liquid that is toxic... LOL

It is possible that the store selling it put something in it that was not supposed to be
in it - AND - it is more likely that the idiot had an allergic reaction to the ingredients...
Allergy to the PG or VG is more common than anything else being an issue...
And everyone knows smoking is far more dangerous to your teeth and gums than anything
else.

The comments are great but I am getting a bit tired of signing up to hundreds of sites
just to post a comment.
 

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Some people are allergic to milk ...
Recommendation: ... Don't drink milk
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Ah, but the major problem with your argument, Petro, is that it is a logical solution to a problem, we need to think like the ANTZ. Therefore we need to gather "evidence" from posts by people who are allergic to milk and then call for the powers-that-be to ban milk and all milk products. :thumbs: :lol:
 

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It is possible that the store selling it put something in it that was not supposed to be in it...
It is also possible that the corner market selling tomatoes put cyanide in them, but I don't see anyone banning tomatoes.
When it comes to electronic cigarettes, apparently some people lose their ability to think critically.
 

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www .lep .co.uk/news/health/local/electronic-cigarettes-fears-1-5642830

The guy apparently vaped for 4 days and got some kind of nasty gum infection. The kicker is that he said his dentist recommended that smoking would be safer.

Being the sarcastic, ahem, let's say "so and so" I am, I just could not resist (munged link):

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Or here's my snot-o-gram which I wouldn't be surprised if they delete (though the comments are not friendly to the publication nor the article, I'm far from the only one bashing them):

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"Chris Bilsborough, 42, used an e-cigarette for four days..."

"It's not good stuff. Some people might be fine for a while, its the long term effects."

Um... excuse me? Four days and a comment about "long term effects"? Since when is four days "long term"? Who is this guy?

"...was left with a gum infection and spots on his arms and legs."

Of course, being the responsible publication you are, you have rigorous scientific evidence these things are related because, as you well know, correlation is not causality.

"My dentist said to me I'd be safer with cigarettes."

You actually had a medical professional say this? Actually say cigarettes are better than... well... anything? And the medical professional isn't being investigated to see if he or she should retain their license to practice?

"It's the liquid that is highly toxic."

Yeah, it's called "nicotine". The nicotine in cigarettes is toxic. The nicotine in nicotine gum is toxic. The nicotine in nicotine patches is toxic. The nicotine in nicotine inhalers is toxic.

"We would strongly recommend that if you want to stop smoking, you should use a properly regulated and licensed nicotine replacement therapy, such as nicotine gum, patches or inhalers."

Translation:

Pharmaceutical companies profit selling these products which have a failure rate in the 90% range and in several studies show a higher failure rate than "cold turkey". But that's okay because it means repeat business.

Transferring the nicotine addiction to "vaping" (aka "e-cigs") does not generate profits for pharma. Therefore, it is innately bad and evil and must be suppressed. Until pharma enters the e-cig market. Then it'll become okay.

"In the absence of any long-term studies of the use of these products, there is simply no way of knowing whether they are safe and effective."

So let's not bother to do studies. Let's just publish scare mongering stories about some guy who may or may not have had an allergic reaction to something more or less around the time or there abouts he says but we can't actually confirm he tried an e-cig. Or not. Or something. Anyway, e-cigs bad. Profit for pharma corporations good.

I see our nations are not so different after all despite our lil' spat a couple centuries ago. Corporate profits are virtue. Small business profits are immorality.

Ah, Airstrip One, double-plus good on ya!

"What's more, we don't know whether they may lead young people to try conventional cigarettes..."

The most disingenuous tactic to shut down debate ever concocted. "Won't somebody think of the CHILDREN?!?!"

I smoked 35 years. I tried every single "cessation" scam pharma came up with (except Chantix, while suicide is one way to quit smoking I'll pass thank you).

I started vaping.

I lost interest in cigarettes.

And I am far from alone. There are thousands of us. Tens of thousands. Maybe millions.

Who are you protecting? Human beings or corporate profits?
 
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