This month's New Scientist article.

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I think he mostly got in trouble for taking a stand that all science pointing out the dangers of smoking has to be done properly and accurately but often isn't. Particularly the claim that 30 minutes exposure to second hand smoke puts a non-smoker at the same risk for heart attack as a full time smoker. He questions the policy of dishonest fear mongering and of open discrimination against smokers. There is a valid point made that if the anti smoking movement is as dishonest as tobacco companies are/have been, then their message will be disbelieved and suspect same as the tobacco companies are. He has a website explaining his stand in more detail here: Center for Public Accountability in Tobacco Control Although he is a very loud and outspoken anti smoker, he is first and foremost a true scientist.

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Ok...so I'm hijacking my own thread..... Big thanks Leaford on finding those links.

Dr. Phillips is now at U of Alberta as a professor of public health according to this CBC article. http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/01/06/f-rfa-durham.html He seems to be all about the harm reduction and might be a good person to contact regarding the ban here in Canada.

My daughter is an epidemiologist who while attending school was surprised to learn that although we here in Newfoundland have one of the highest rates of smoking in the country (sometimes we're highest, sometimes Quebec), we have the lowest rate of lung cancer in the country. I don't for a moment mean to suggest that cigarette smoking isn't responsible for lung cancer....BUT....what can be drawn from that statistic is there are other common causative agents. Newfoundland and Labrador is a geographically large province with a very small population. We have no heavy industry to speak of, because of the small population we don't have the concentration of auto exhaust found in larger cities. It's a windy place stuck out in the Atlantic known for it's clean air. I think here, the statistics for disease among smokers are probably closer to true because of a relative lack of other contributing factors. This is very supportive of harm reduction strategies as it shows that not having some of those environmental toxins reduced our harm (cancer rates) in spite of high numbers of smokers. Imagine how low the rates could be if we all switched to vaping?? I do realize that statistics are the most suspect form of information and that ummmmm roughly 57.6% of them are made up on the spot. (72% of clams today are less happy than they were 20 years ago ;) ) but they do have some value.

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we here in Newfoundland have one of the highest rates of smoking in the country (sometimes we're highest, sometimes Quebec), we have the lowest rate of lung cancer in the country... We have no heavy industry to speak of, because of the small population we don't have the concentration of auto exhaust found in larger cities. It's a windy place stuck out in the Atlantic known for it's clean air.
My understanding is that studies done using rural populations have shown lesser 'damage' from smoking, however most studies now are done in heavily populated urban areas and those results are trumpeted, with disparities being... not fit to discusss in polite company. ;) Honest researchers know that smoking+urban pollution has different results than just smoking.

I invented 37% of that. :D
 

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We kinda gave that up back when we agreed to pee in a cup to get a job or play high school tennis. And all the folks who supported it - we warned you back then.

True enough. The old frog in the pan with the water heating thing, all of a sudden you notice that you are about to loose everything, briefly, just before it is fact.

Give up a little long enough and eventually you have given up everything :-/. Notice that those who demand more and more and more and more never have to give up anything. No compromise for anyone but us.

Mostly in the name of cherry picked "science" and religious fanatics (anti-smokers fall into my definition of religious fanatics).

Way too many more examples of that these days, I'll stop now :).

Sigh...
 
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