This was news to me!

[Katya]

There's never been a single case of BrOb from smoking

That's not exactly correct. Per our good doctor, from the old thread we both read: "Bronchiolitis obliterans is not caused by smoking, you are right. But why? Because smoking exposes the lung to a large variety of different toxins, which all together cause another kind of disease: COPD.
The incidence of COPD in smokers is up to 15%. The incidence of bronchiolitis obliterans by diacetyl exposure is extremely low. In fact, only few cases have ever being documented. Most commonly, diacetyl exposure causes a decline in lung function which can be detected by a reduction in FEV1. This is much more common that development of bronchiolitis obliterans. However, this can be easily misdiagnosed as COPD."

 

[Katya]

Once again, it's All About the Amount of the Substance in Question. Not if there is a Detectable Amount.

I love Kurt's take on the subject (he was a co-author on Dr. F's paper):

Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

And speaking of Kurt, anyone know why he's been MIA for so long? I miss him.

 

[r77r7r]

He comes and goes. Usually shows up in the NC thread.

 

[Katya]

He comes and goes. Usually shows up in the NC thread.

He used to, nothing since October 2017.

 

[chanelvaps]

To me, this isnt about smoking vs vaping (thats a no-brainer IMHO), its about diacetyl potentially being bad for you and its presence in ejuice flavorings. What surprised me was the extent in flavorings other than butter.

Seriously! Marshmallow? wow.

 

[mikepetro]

He used to, nothing since October 2017.

Yes, I really do miss him. I conversed with him privately and in-depth on several subjects, primarily on the whole Temp/Aldehyde issue. He was a welcome breath of authoritative, non politicized information.

I havent heard from him in 2 years though, it seems he just disappeared. I dont see him much in the medical journals anymore either, where he used to publish regularly.

 

[Mowgli]

Although I'm on your side of the topic, it's biologically impossible to "fight" an infection in few hours. It takes at least 3-4 days, unless you're the wolverine

So the few times that I had the chills and wrapped myself in a blanket and shook them off within a few hours never happened?
...but that happened so I'm going to Hollywood.

 

[Mowgli]

That's not exactly correct. Per our good doctor, from the old thread we both read: "Bronchiolitis obliterans is not caused by smoking, you are right. But why? Because smoking exposes the lung to a large variety of different toxins, which all together cause another kind of disease: COPD.
The incidence of COPD in smokers is up to 15%. The incidence of bronchiolitis obliterans by diacetyl exposure is extremely low. In fact, only few cases have ever being documented. Most commonly, diacetyl exposure causes a decline in lung function which can be detected by a reduction in FEV1. This is much more common that development of bronchiolitis obliterans. However, this can be easily misdiagnosed as COPD."

IIRC BrOb is irreparable.
Technically I had chronic bronchitis that has now been relieved.

When I smoked I couldn't take a single full inhale without coughing.
Within a few months of switching I noticed that I could take a few full cycles in-out-in-out...
Now I can take full cycles until I get bored of it & dizzy.

I've been procrastinating getting a full respiratory workup done.
I'll see if my cardiologist can order one before my next appointment.

 

[dreamvaper]

I had the chills

not always a sign of a cold

I'm going to Hollywood

Mowgli goes to Hollywood? I'd watch the movie

 

[Mowgli]

...As you point out it not a med forum so I am done with this.