This Week's Navy Times

[Berylanna]

This fairly-positive article is in the July 29 edition of the Navy Times:

Exchanges now sell e-cigarettes, but military officials haven

I love the way BT is claiming they are going to fix the quality control issues and give us choice.....yeah, right.

Unfortunately, in the paper edition, it is right next to an article on Snus that first explains how attractive snus are (no spitting) then finished up with something about Europe outside of Sweden banning Snus, and the WHO is against SNUS because of carcinogens.

 

[rothenbj]

A good article. I tried to comment but couldn't so I emailed the author. It appears that the military may be wavering somewhat on their original stance.

 

[Vocalek]

This fairly-positive article is in the July 29 edition of the Navy Times:

Exchanges now sell e-cigarettes, but military officials haven

I love the way BT is claiming they are going to fix the quality control issues and give us choice.....yeah, right.

Unfortunately, in the paper edition, it is right next to an article on Snus that first explains how attractive snus are (no spitting) then finished up with something about Europe outside of Sweden banning Snus, and the WHO is against SNUS because of carcinogens.

Can the WHO explain why Sweden has the lowest Lung Cancer Mortality Rate of any country in the EU?

 

[Petrodus]

Can the WHO explain why Sweden has the lowest Lung Cancer Mortality Rate of any country in the EU?

The WHO doesn't want to talk about it

 

[retired1]

The individual mentioned in the article is ECF's own JonnyB88.

 

[AgentAnia]

The individual mentioned in the article is ECF's own JonnyB88.

awwwwright!

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

Can the WHO explain why Sweden has the lowest Lung Cancer Mortality Rate of any country in the EU?

Please don't try to confuse the PHDs at WHO with facts.

 

[Berylanna]

As far as I've seen, most of the ANTZ have J.D. degrees.

It shows.

Lie for your client, but lie with the truth so you can't get busted for perjury.

 

[Xobeloot]

Can the WHO explain why Sweden has the lowest Lung Cancer Mortality Rate of any country in the EU?

Isn't this a blatantly obvious answer? It has absolutely ZERO to do with e-cigs. When you are talking about the home to Snus, there is no question why lung cancer is the lowest. Now if the article wanted to spotlight pancreatic cancer, they would notice a higher number in Sweden vs a non-snus-using populus, though Swedes will still rank lower on pancreatic cancer than a country of smokers.

Anything can be taken out of context and spun in favor of, or against anything.

Snus is the reason for Sweden's low lung cancer rates. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Stubby]

Isn't this a blatantly obvious answer? It has absolutely ZERO to do with e-cigs. When you are talking about the home to Snus, there is no question why lung cancer is the lowest. Now if the article wanted to spotlight pancreatic cancer, they would notice a higher number in Sweden vs a non-snus-using populus, though Swedes will still rank lower on pancreatic cancer than a country of smokers.

Anything can be taken out of context and spun in favor of, or against anything.

Snus is the reason for Sweden's low lung cancer rates. Nothing more, nothing less.

The link between pancreatic cancer and snus (or for that matter all western ST) has been debunked some time ago. The myth is still being pushed by the ANTZ but the science tells us something different.

 

[Xobeloot]

Fair enough


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[JonnyB88]

The individual mentioned in the article is ECF's own JonnyB88.

Aww. Well, thank you!

I mentioned CASAA and of course ECF multiple times in my interview. But, nothing in the article.

 

[Vocalek]

Nevertheless, CASAA thanks you. And I'm sure ECF does as well.

 

[DC2]

Can the WHO explain why Sweden has the lowest Lung Cancer Mortality Rate of any country in the EU?

Can they? Yes, the certainly can.
Will they? No chance.

 

[rothenbj]

Aww. Well, thank you!

I mentioned CASAA and of course ECF multiple times in my interview. But, nothing in the article.

Also, in the e mail, I directed to the author, I linked to the CASAA study page so she'd have it. I got a response-

Thanks for sharing your story. Interesting. I often wondered what it would take to get a smoker to try one, and then stick with it. My guess is girlfriends are a lot more influential than advertising, marketing or seeing celebrities vaping.



If I write any follow on stories, I’ll be sure to drop you a note to talk about your switch,



And thanks for taking the time to write

 

[retired1]

That response looked like "journaleeze" for "bugger off".

 

[Borescoped]

Hopefully since JonnyB is AF, they will go and re-write the rules for the AF (AFI 40-102) so that those of us in the AF aren't lumped in with the normal smokers anymore. It's not that I don't like those folks anymore... I just can't stand the secondhand.

 

[rothenbj]

That response looked like "journaleeze" for "bugger off".

Yeah, that's how I felt. Plus, if she knew the gf, she'd know that other than the original purchase, I never would have stuck to it if it didn't work.

 

[Vocalek]

Hopefully since JonnyB is AF, they will go and re-write the rules for the AF (AFI 40-102) so that those of us in the AF aren't lumped in with the normal smokers anymore. It's not that I don't like those folks anymore... I just can't stand the secondhand.

I suspect that the submarines have been the drivers in the Navy for acceptance of vaping. The vessels may be submerged for months at a time, making it impossible to "step outside for a smoke." It can't have escaped the notice of the officers that productivity plummeted and some serious problems emerged when they tried to enforce a 100% ban on all tobacco/nicotine products. Nicotine enhances alertness, assists with concentration and recall, and subdues irritability. In a closed environment, having X percent of the staff operating at less than optimal levels and at each others' throats makes for unsatisfactory performance of the unit.

That's putting it mildly. A no-nicotine policy endangers lives.