I live way out in the middle of the woods and I am not near any towns........ I'm so far out in the woods that they have to pipe the sunshine in to me
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I live way out in the middle of the woods and I am not near any towns........ I'm so far out in the woods that they have to pipe the sunshine in to me
I live way out in the middle of the woods and I am not near any towns........ I'm so far out in the woods that they have to pipe the sunshine in to me
Dang. That would be a pretty good deal in this Summer heat.
You would think so but that's not the case because out East here we have quite a bit of humidity and it's hot even in the shade of all of the trees
You would think so but that's not the case because out East here we have quite a bit of humidity and it's hot even in the shade of all of the trees
I know how that goes. I was born in Newport News, Virginia. Pretty much everything there is less than 25 miles away from the water.
well stated.... I am in agreement except for the part about Walmart ..... Yes, it is pure capitalism at work for sure......But that's not what I was referring to earlier.......... The PC attitude that has infiltrated America over the last few years is what I was mainly talking about......... Walmart has embraced that PC mindset to it's fullest and it has effected many of their internal policies........ Sure their business model is Capitalistic but their policies are socialistic.
We are in the desert! A trip to town takes an hour, one way
the heat keeps the riffraff closer to town, so it has some perks I try not to be too serious, it makes my head hurt
We are in the desert! A trip to town takes an hour, one way
I try not to be too serious, it makes my head hurt
Well, glad to meet you .... I grew up in the West (Montana & Idaho) and traveled lots out in the west and so am familiar with some of the desert's out there. I moved to Pennsylvania about 20 years ago.... man, what a culture shock lol
Axiom, I should have been clear, my apology was to NCC who found my statement "repugnant," though it could well be I'm on his ignore list by now, LOL. If not NCC, my final answer is: I apologize and will try to remember that steriotypes are.... that, and word my statements accordingly.
I make fun of the French all the time, especially since I lived there in middle school, it was actually one of the happier moments of my childhood. But they're still, you know, the French.
Anna
If not NCC, my final answer is: I apologize and will try to remember that steriotypes are.... that, and word my statements accordingly. I make fun of the French all the time, especially since I lived there in middle school, it was actually one of the happier moments of my childhood. But they're still, you know, the French.
Anna
We are in the desert! A trip to town takes an hour, one way
I try not to be too serious, it makes my head hurt
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You are pretty far away from me. I haven't been that far South since I was stationed in San Diego.
PC has ruined a LOT, including you know, childhood and whatnot. I could *not* believe the indoctrination that goes on in schools and one time, my kid freaking... In Elementary, he was bored (a frequent occurence for him, that sucker is *smart*) so he drew a picture of his current favorite videogame, which included robots and people with bullets) and I was called from work hastily to be confronted by the teacher and a bunch of administrators, who stated they were "concerned" and that "had names been there, he would have been expelled," at which point I sent my kid somewhere he couldn't overhear and reamed the lot of them out, starting with "and, are there names?" "No, but it's so *graphic*" "Actually, it's very well drawn, here are the robots, here are the people... Are you suggesting my son is preparing to bring a bunch of killer robots into this environment?" "Uh, no, but you know, video games cause violence," (from the counselor). "Here's the latest research on THAT, violent kids get no more or less violent by playing videogames and watching movies, normal kids stay about the same, and it's been shown that children from a very young age can distinguish between video games vs. reality, would you like me to bring it in for your perusal? Has my son ever been violent at your school? Do you really wish to pursue this, because I will take you to court?"
It kinda escalated until I left, while having to instruct my kid concerning Colombine fallout, and whatnot, which as far as I was concerned was really something he had no need of having to think about at his age. Don't even get me started on paticipation tropies (which our family decided as a group before my son EVEN started playing Ice Hockey that we would never accept... to prepare him), and he did in fact return his, I was *very proud* and would have trophied him for that. Also I had him in charter or private schools his whole life, esp after we moved here as the school systems are so awful. LOL, my son asked to go to a public school in 10th grade, so we let him.
The second year some guy from Chicago came in and things went very downhill, the prior principal was peacably allowing the gang kids some latitude such as doing censored stuff in the bathrooms and maintained a nice state of controlled chaos going on. Chicago dude had NO clue how vicious the teen gangs here are or any knowledge of Tucson whatsoever and started enforcing all the rules, and things were getting *really* edgy. My son was one of the few kids with a car but decided that this one kid who was in a gang was more trouble than he was worth, and refused to allow him in the car anymore, in fact drove away as the kid was trying to *leap* through the window, and the kid later gathered his gang for a "fight" with my kid, who was about 3 times his size, so after the kid tackled him from behind, pretty much started giggling and just *threw him off* got up, and left....
After he told us that, I went to see the principal who pretty much blew me off, I was like, "What will you do to protect my kid tomorrow," and the answer was pretty much "Nothing," well, I told the principal that he might think he was all tough because he was from Chicago so knew everything about violence, but if he kept up his nonsense, he'd be dealing with more than a FIGHT, likely a MURDER from a gang PARENT. I withdrew my son right then, drove home, and told my kid, "You are taking the GED NOW." LOL. My husband was so furious he ended up calling his reprsentatives, and it was covered by the local news.... They had two police cars at that school in less than a week. Like many of the other HS around here. So, I guess some good came out of it, though I'm usually not a fan of police cars at schools, but on the SW side of Tucson they are *necessary* at some locations, the kids are.... Really special.
But seriously, schools, I KNOW you don't want to be the next Colombine, but this combination of under and overreacting is INSANE. By contrast, my little brother was having a moment at his school (he's 30 now) and his teacher encouraged him to draw a picture to expresss his feelings, and he drew a knife, dripping with blood, with the words "Drop dead Mr. Lake." Mr. Lake *kept* that drawing and still remembers it fondly, he put it in a folder with all the little girls drawing flowers.... Now, there's a teacher. I'm so glad I had a fun childhood, not a PC one, fortunately a lot of parents thought like me so the kids got to shoot BB guns and all that good stuff, in fact my son once said, "Mom, can I bring home a rabbit?" I was like, "Surely this can't happen" and said yes. 15 mins later he returned with one and I had to hastily research whether it was even edible, how to disembowl it, that was a "Yes" that I regretted for a long time, man.
So when they cry "Protect the kids from e-cigs and life," I go, "Yes, it's great to have indoctrinated kiddos who grow up so scared you can manipulate them and having made NO mistakes to learn from them and when they aren't GOOD at something you REWARD THEM?...." Whhhha? This goes against every behavioral principle known to man, I don't give my dog a participation treat for chewing up my shoes....
I think all that is probably why I let my son have an e-cig, and he's not a snowflake. Heaven forbid, though, I'm sure that's a stereotype that snowflakes are easily manipulated, at least it's probably not 100% of them....
(Disclaimer, STEREOTYPE).
Anna
It kinda escalated until I left, while having to instruct my kid concerning Colombine fallout, and whatnot, which as far as I was concerned was really something he had no need of having to think about at his age. Don't even get me started on paticipation tropies (which our family decided as a group before my son EVEN started playing Ice Hockey that we would never accept... to prepare him), and he did in fact return his, I was *very proud* and would have trophied him for that.
Also I had him in charter or private schools his whole life, esp after we moved here as the school systems are so awful. LOL, my son asked to go to a public school in 10th grade, so we let him. The second year some guy from Chicago came in and things went very downhill, the prior principal was peacably allowing the gang kids some latitude such as doing censored stuff in the bathrooms and maintained a nice state of controlled chaos going on. Chicago dude had NO clue how vicious the teen gangs here are or any knowledge of Tucson whatsoever and started enforcing all the rules, and things were getting *really* edgy. My son was one of the few kids with a car but decided that this one kid who was in a gang was more trouble than he was worth, and refused to allow him in the car anymore, in fact drove away as the kid was trying to *leap* through the window, and the kid later gathered his gang for a "fight" with my kid, who was about 3 times his size, so after the kid tackled him from behind, pretty much started giggling and just *threw him off* got up, and left....
After he told us that, I went to see the principal who pretty much blew me off, I was like, "What will you do to protect my kid tomorrow," and the answer was pretty much "Nothing," well, I told the principal that he might think he was all tough because he was from Chicago so knew everything about violence, but if he kept up his nonsense, he'd be dealing with more than a FIGHT, likely a MURDER from a gang PARENT. I withdrew my son right then, drove home, and told my kid, "You are taking the GED NOW." LOL. My husband was so furious he ended up calling his reprsentatives, and it was covered by the local news.... They had two police cars at that school in less than a week. Like many of the other HS around here. So, I guess some good came out of it, though I'm usually not a fan of police cars at schools, but on the SW side of Tucson they are *necessary* at some locations, the kids are.... Really special.
But seriously, schools, I KNOW you don't want to be the next Colombine, but this combination of under and overreacting is INSANE. By contrast, my little brother was having a moment at his school (he's 30 now) and his teacher encouraged him to draw a picture to expresss his feelings, and he drew a knife, dripping with blood, with the words "Drop dead Mr. Lake." Mr. Lake *kept* that drawing and still remembers it fondly, he put it in a folder with all the little girls drawing flowers.... Now, there's a teacher.
I'm so glad I had a fun childhood, not a PC one, fortunately a lot of parents thought like me so the kids got to shoot BB guns and all that good stuff, in fact my son once said, "Mom, can I bring home a rabbit?" I was like, "Surely this can't happen" and said yes. 15 mins later he returned with one and I had to hastily research whether it was even edible, how to disembowl it, that was a "Yes" that I regretted for a long time, man.So when they cry "Protect the kids from e-cigs and life," I go, "Yes, it's great to have indoctrinated kiddos who grow up so scared you can manipulate them and having made NO mistakes to learn from them and when they aren't GOOD at something you REWARD THEM?...." Whhhha? This goes against every behavioral principle known to man, I don't give my dog a participation treat for chewing up my shoes....
I think all that is probably why I let my son have an e-cig, and he's not a snowflake. Heaven forbid, though, I'm sure that's a stereotype that snowflakes are easily manipulated, at least it's probably not 100% of them....
(Disclaimer, STEREOTYPE).
Anna
Yup. Times have changed drastically. On the one hand faculty members hand out these ridiculous disciplinary actions, but on the other hand schools lose lawsuits and faculty members get fired for not somehow being psychic enough to prevent situations that they have no control over. I can give you anecdote after anecdote detailing both situations.
That's profiling.[emoji6]
Anna you should write a book. I would buy it.[emoji106]
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Heh, I'm actually in the middle of one, but I have put it aside for awhile after my editor suggested sweeping changes UNTIL I'm done with quit brain/oral surgery/figuring out how I'm going to restructure it is WAY outside the scope of my abilities at this time. Though as one might probably note from my posts, there's also a lot of "can you say this in three words, not 20," that's the easy part Anna
AnnaI will compile all your posts, publish it under a ghost name and title it "The World Needs Some Serious Help!"[emoji16]
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Wow, the train has gone so far off the track of the OP's first post I'm surprised a moderator hasn't stepped in.
I'm not 60 yet, but will be next year and I feel the same way about some folk who are turning a smoking cessation tool into a "Who can blow the biggest cloud?", contest.
I'm not 60 yet, but will be next year and I feel the same way about some folk who are turning a smoking cessation tool into a "Who can blow the biggest cloud?", contest.
Hell, ToneeN you can have them, they're worthless, I guess the title "Cranky crazy lady" was already taken. I *do* think the world needs some serious help, actually, since it's filled with humans at this point.... We do a great job of overreacting, heh, I certainly cannot claim that *never* happens with me. Nope.
But I was determined to raise my kid by the golden rule, WITH the caveat that if some grownup is horrible to you, you can pay merely the respect due to any living thing, and I have paid dearly (POUNDS of flesh) for that teaching, over the years... I use it with my young clients too, a lot of school admins just have *hated* my, uh, being, over the years when I arrive and plop down a kid, (usually, if I can, corroberated by another kid) in front of the principal and start arguing that the kid may not have had a meltdown if X, Y, and Z had been applied.
By the same token, I feel SO SORRY for some of the teachers around here, I've sat in on multiple classes where the kid's not learning and usually, having observed teachers EARNESTLY try to teach say, an English lesson and not gotten through the *first* sentence due to repeated and awful interruptions, I'll usually stick around for a quick behavioral principles lesson including *giving* the teacher half the behavioral implements I have in my car including my prize box if necessary, hell, they make *less* than I do and you couldn't get me to teach around here for less than a million dollars, and ask if I can check back in a few weeks. The teachers are usually grateful, they don't get much *behavioral instruction* and often ask for more, in which case I recommend the book "Don't Shoot the Dog," the VERY best behavioral handbook of all time.... Classroom behavior was usually improved, it doesn't take much if you get crafty about it.... A friend of mine's mother trained her with clicker training, and my friend got all upset about it, until her mother pointed out that at 2 she could a) come when called b) line up quietly, and c) stop talking when asked, at which point my friend reevaluated....
That said, I'm wondering what behavioral principles to apply when I go in to talk to the "Over 60 community" I'm going to have to do some deep thinking, as gerontology really isnt' my field or interest and I will be dealing with the old and sometimes wise.... I imagine I'm going to have to do some reading....
Anna
I *do* think the world needs some serious help, actually, since it's filled with humans at this point.... We do a great job of overreacting, heh, I certainly cannot claim that *never* happens with me. Nope.But I was determined to raise my kid by the golden rule, WITH the caveat that if some grownup is horrible to you, you can pay merely the respect due to any living thing, and I have paid dearly (POUNDS of flesh) for that teaching, over the years... I use it with my young clients too, a lot of school admins just have *hated* my, uh, being, over the years when I arrive and plop down a kid, (usually, if I can, corroberated by another kid) in front of the principal and start arguing that the kid may not have had a meltdown if X, Y, and Z had been applied.
By the same token, I feel SO SORRY for some of the teachers around here, I've sat in on multiple classes where the kid's not learning and usually, having observed teachers EARNESTLY try to teach say, an English lesson and not gotten through the *first* sentence due to repeated and awful interruptions, I'll usually stick around for a quick behavioral principles lesson including *giving* the teacher half the behavioral implements I have in my car including my prize box if necessary, hell, they make *less* than I do and you couldn't get me to teach around here for less than a million dollars, and ask if I can check back in a few weeks. The teachers are usually grateful, they don't get much *behavioral instruction* and often ask for more, in which case I recommend the book "Don't Shoot the Dog," the VERY best behavioral handbook of all time.... Classroom behavior was usually improved, it doesn't take much if you get crafty about it.... A friend of mine's mother trained her with clicker training, and my friend got all upset about it, until her mother pointed out that at 2 she could a) come when called b) line up quietly, and c) stop talking when asked, at which point my friend reevaluated....
That said, I'm wondering what behavioral principles to apply when I go in to talk to the "Over 60 community" I'm going to have to do some deep thinking, as gerontology really isnt' my field or interest and I will be dealing with the old and sometimes wise.... I imagine I'm going to have to do some reading....
Anna
Closing it down would spoil one of the best threads in a long time. Sure, some stuff is coming out but it's good to talk about things.
I'm not old but I'm not exactly young anymore either, pretty solid in the gen x category. Coincidentally, I am covered in tattoos which I chalk up to a wild youth, my dad and my first husband were both tattoo artists and I was pretty big into that culture from about 16-28, traveling across the country to conventions and even had photos of me in a few tattoo magazines. Despite that, I consider myself a pretty conservative person. I sing the praises of vaping whenever I can and I absolutely love to see people older than me vaping. That demographic really represents that this is ultimately about harm reduction and you know, not hastening death by smoking related conditions. I truly do not like going into vape stores around me because it is a mostly Cloudz Bro environment and I'm not into that. As long as it is done in a courteous manner though I don't care how people vape, any more than I care what brand of cigarettes other people smoked. As long as they are vaping and not smoking it's all good. But common courtesy does go a long way and vape shops need to have a variety of options for people. I am afraid for the future of vaping in relation to our government, not the future of my own vaping as I am set for 20ish years and am self sufficient. I fear for the people who may have quit with vaping but won't get that opportunity due to the nanny state.
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