Three way steeping sequence?

[rowdyplace]

Making 100 mL. in a 250 mL glass flask.

I have the milk frother, the crock pot, and the ultrasonic cleaner.

I used the frother to initially combine the flavor (single) and base (50/50-1.2%)

Is there any special reason to use either the CP of the UC next. (Which one first...)

My thoughts are to UC it for a couple of hours (yes the water gets to about 140°), then CP it for 4 hours. Should I continue to use the frother periodically to further mix the contents?

Or, am I over doing this steeping stuff?

 

[shynsly]

I think DannyV expressed that using the frother might oxidize the nic more as it induces more oxygen into it.
I have been putting mine in the UC in glass bottles and keeping at around 150F for about 4-5hrs with the UC running and it works good for me.

Good Luck in the Laboratory!!!

 

[Blueser]

Nothing better than some good ole oxidized nic...good stuff there

 

[Dogeggs]

I used to use a frother and it was cool, no nasty tasting nic or anything but it made diy that much more of a pain in the .... with the extra cleaning, splashes, etc that losing a few days steep time hardly made it worth it to me, I think popular opinion on here is that it's the heat of the uc cleaner that helps, not the vibrations, so you may as well go straight for the crockpot.

 

[Skagit]

My take is.....
Heat thins out juice (Rice works good) Then a good shake on paint shaker, While it is still warm to meld all the nic, flavor, base.
Then vape away. For darker juice, Let it sit overnight with cap and dripper off.

 

[kas122461]

I used to use a frother and it was cool, no nasty tasting nic or anything but it made diy that much more of a pain in the .... with the extra cleaning, splashes, etc that losing a few days steep time hardly made it worth it to me, I think popular opinion on here is that it's the heat of the uc cleaner that helps, not the vibrations, so you may as well go straight for the crockpot.

I don't have a crock pot or a UC cleaner, do you think that a old coffee pot heating plate would work as good?

KAS

 

[RocketPuppy]

Unless your mix has a chemical or alcohol smell, I wouldn't leave the cap off.

For tobacco mixes, I use the CP for a few hours.

I would definitely stay away from the frother. As cool as it is, oxidizing nic can taste harsh.

 

[downInTn]

I don't have a crock pot or a UC cleaner, do you think that a old coffee pot heating plate would work as good?

KAS

Likely, heat is heat. You may want to keep an eye on the temp though.

 

[kas122461]

Likely, heat is heat. You may want to keep an eye on the temp though.

That's why I was thinking about, it I think it would maintain the temp at about 120 F, and has a 2 hour timer.

KAS

 

[RocketPuppy]

Whoops. Answered a questioned no one asked.

 

[AmandaD]

Mine on low, with the top cracked, stays right around 150. It's a big crockpot, and I was looking at smaller ones in Target the other day, which can be had for around $15! Still couldn't really justify that, bearing in mind that some months ago I bought a (now unused) ultrasonic cleaner LOL

 

[Blueser]

Well someone pulled the number 120 degrees out of their...eruh hat...and everyone was going around saying you didn't need to heat over 120 degrees and then I believe it was buffaloguy who repudiated this guess with test at 150 degrees...soooo...now many of the ones who were advising on hearsay not to exceed 120 degrees are repeating buffaloguy's findings and suggesting 150 degrees....herein lies the problem with regurgitated hearsay.

 

[AmandaD]

And, just to reiterate - nic tests were done and there was no degradation at 150 degrees

All I know is that my juice that needs steeping is 'cooked' after 4 hours or so in the crockpot!

 

[buffaloguy]

Well someone pulled the number 120 degrees out of their...eruh hat...and everyone was going around saying you didn't need to heat over 120 degrees and then I believe it was buffaloguy who repudiated this guess with test at 150 degrees...soooo...now many of the ones who were advising on hearsay not to exceed 120 degrees are repeating buffaloguy's findings and suggesting 150 degrees....herein lies the problem with regurgitated hearsay.

Yes, but my heresay was tested by others not just by me. The guy I validated my findings off of later on even had his juices lab tested for nic loss. Only one sample came back with a 1mg/ml loss is nic strength... out of I believe 12 samples if I remember right. So that one sample that was off by 1mg could have just been an anomaly. Others here have tested theirs and found its dead on. So if its now heresay at 150° then at least its validated heresay... lol.

I agree on heresay becoming regurgitated but I think you know my philosophy isnt to do that unless I know it to be true.

Even 120°F will aid in the steeping process vs. just shelf steeping. However Id leave it at that temp about 7-8 hours.

I always loved the show mythbusters. Real heresay killers!

 

[we2rcool]

Yes, but my heresay was tested by others not just by me. The guy I validated my findings off of later on even had his juices lab tested for nic loss. Only one sample came back with a 1mg/ml loss is nic strength... out of I believe 12 samples if I remember right. So that one sample that was off by 1mg could have just been an anomaly. Others here have tested theirs and found its dead on. So if its now heresay at 150° then at least its validated heresay... lol.

I agree on heresay becoming regurgitated but I think you know my philosophy isnt to do that unless I know it to be true.

Even 120°F will aid in the steeping process vs. just shelf steeping. However Id leave it at that temp about 7-8 hours.

I always loved the show mythbusters. Real heresay killers!

Tested and confirmed! We've tested over 5000ml steeped @ 150 degrees for 4 hours (in a temp controlled food dehydrator).

All but the trickiest tobaccos were "all done steeping" in 4 hours...which beat the heck out of 2 hours in a heated ultrasonic, or any other way we've tried. The ultrasonic helped (likely due to the heat), but rarely finished the steeping process.

 

[kas122461]

Well someone pulled the number 120 degrees out of their...eruh hat...and everyone was going around saying you didn't need to heat over 120 degrees and then I believe it was buffaloguy who repudiated this guess with test at 150 degrees...soooo...now many of the ones who were advising on hearsay not to exceed 120 degrees are repeating buffaloguy's findings and suggesting 150 degrees....herein lies the problem with regurgitated hearsay.

I am kind of poor at the moment, and I just would like to use what I have, but I was wondering when the recommended temp went up.

KAS

 

[Blueser]

Yes, but my heresay was tested by others not just by me. The guy I validated my findings off of later on even had his juices lab tested for nic loss. Only one sample came back with a 1mg/ml loss is nic strength... out of I believe 12 samples if I remember right. So that one sample that was off by 1mg could have just been an anomaly. Others here have tested theirs and found its dead on. So if its now heresay at 150° then at least its validated heresay... lol.

I agree on heresay becoming regurgitated but I think you know my philosophy isnt to do that unless I know it to be true.

Even 120°F will aid in the steeping process vs. just shelf steeping. However Id leave it at that temp about 7-8 hours.

I always loved the show mythbusters. Real heresay killers!

Exactly BG :~ ....I kinda left my point hanging as it didn't read as I intended to state that you actually busted the regurgitated myth.

I refrain from offering hearsay advise, as I have not personally tested. Across the entire vaping community on every forum you'll see folks offering advise as though it is a fact. It is very obvious that most folks are merely repeating something they've read somewhere. Occasionally someone comes along that has done extensive A/B testing to say "this is simply not true"

Reading through DIY Master Techniques - Flavor Add-on's (EM, VW, BW, MTS, ACV, ect) ....there's plenty of opinions/advice given that some who have done extensive testing don't agree with...I have VM, MTS...personally I won't add that crap to a mix...but then that's just me...but you have folks going through that thread copying and pasting nuggets, putting them up on drive or wherever as the gospel truth.

 

[GMayberry]

Blueser, you seem like a cut-the-crap kinda guy and that is kinda the help that I need. Are you any good with making the "fruitier" juices? I just posted a thread in regards to that and need some help!

 

[GMayberry]

Sorry here is the link

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/558708-need-help-fruitier-juices.html

 

[Blueser]

Blueser, you seem like a cut-the-crap kinda guy and that is kinda the help that I need. Are you any good with making the "fruitier" juices? I just posted a thread in regards to that and need some help!

Nope...I mix mostly tobaccos and with that...see sig :~》