Throat and mouth coating..

[Fernando Mercerat]

Hi, a little introduction. I've started vaping 3 months ago.
First with a Vaporfi Pro L-II Twist 1000 Mah (it's an overpriced Evod 2), and with that I was able to drop from 30 cigs a day to 10 with no effort.
Then buyed an Istick 40 with a GS tank, and a Topbox Mini, different vaping style, but love them both, and since I got them about 10 days ago, never touched a cigarette again.
Well, the thing is that after a while of vaping, I start to feel like a kind of coating in my mouth and throat and if I continue vaping then the flavour starts to drop dramatically, wich induces me to raise the power, which seems to worsen the situation.
Do you know what is the cause ?
PG, VG, maybe high temp ?
I'm using TC on both, I love TC, can't understand why most veteran vapers hate it.
In the GS I'm using 70/30 PG/VG at 450-500 Fº, in the Topbox 40/60 PG/VG at 330-370 Fº
The coating disappears after a couple of hours without vaping, after eating, or drinking big quantities of something.
I've searched in the forum, but there are people who blames the VG for being denser than PG, and people blaming the PG for being humectant.
Any help will be appreciated, thanks.

 

[lynn508]

What is the concentration or your juice? Some of us get heavy lungs and lots of phlegm from high VG. Try a different ratio of pg/vg and see if it helps.

 

[defdock]

If "blame" is to be posed, I point the fingers at vg. Both pg and vg "coat" objects, but the pg absorbs/dissipates more readily. I beleive, if it were the pg, more asthma patients would be complaining about the pg in their inhalers causing them issues.

 

[Fernando Mercerat]

The nic concentration I use is 3-6 with the topbox and 8-12 on the gs

 

[JustWondering1]

Hi, a little introduction. I've started vaping 3 months ago.
First with a Vaporfi Pro L-II Twist 1000 Mah (it's an overpriced Evod 2), and with that I was able to drop from 30 cigs a day to 10 with no effort.
Then buyed an Istick 40 with a GS tank, and a Topbox Mini, different vaping style, but love them both, and since I got them about 10 days ago, never touched a cigarette again.
Well, the thing is that after a while of vaping, I start to feel like a kind of coating in my mouth and throat and if I continue vaping then the flavour starts to drop dramatically, wich induces me to raise the power, which seems to worsen the situation.
Do you know what is the cause ?
PG, VG, maybe high temp ?
I'm using TC on both, I love TC, can't understand why most veteran vapers hate it.
In the GS I'm using 70/30 PG/VG at 450-500 Fº, in the Topbox 40/60 PG/VG at 330-370 Fº
The coating disappears after a couple of hours without vaping, after eating, or drinking big quantities of something.
I've searched in the forum, but there are people who blames the VG for being denser than PG, and people blaming the PG for being humectant.
Any help will be appreciated, thanks.

Welcome & congratulations on your successful transition from analog cigarettes to vaping!

I have had the feeling of having a coating in my mouth when vaping certain juices and I have seen several posts here about it as well. A veteran vaper said it is because of the use of sucralose as a sweetener in the juice. If I were you, I would use a brand of juice that does not use sucralose. I'm sure there are plenty of companies who don't use it. My favorite juice vendor, www.ahlusion.us, does not. I've also had good luck with juices from Good Life Vapor, www.goodlifevapor.com, and Alice in Vapeland, www.aliceinvapeland.com. Hope this helps!!

 

[BrotherBob]

Might give TC a rest and try VW only. Set wattage to a low setting, just where you start to see some vaper. Then increase vaper until taste is best. See if this helps.

 

[WillyZee]

probably vapers tongue setting in

 

[djsvapour]

3 months is 'prime time' for vapers tongue.

Other than that, I think you should ride the storm. All these symptoms/worries/problems go away in time. I could barely vape at all at the beginning. Now, I can vape PG or VG heavy juices and don't even notice.

Personally, I don't use TC any more. I don't enjoy the taste of Nickel and I don't get nasty/dry hits off Kanthal at 15-30 watts, which is enough for me.

 

[Bunnykiller]

I would tend to believe that the "coating" feeling you may be experiencing is the drying out effect of the mouth etc. ( and BTW its not dehydration) eating/drinking removes the "buildup" and then feels normal again.

we dont hate TC, we just know how to use power mode well enuf and achieve the same/better results

 

[Fernando Mercerat]

Thanks to all of you for answering and trying to help as always.
I see that it's not easy to find the culprit, I'll keep experimenting with PG/VG and different liquids and temps or watts. I'm still enjoying vaping anyway and have no intentions to give up, I'm happy with it.
Now about TC, my experience with the Topbox :
Started with the Ni200 that came in the kit and loved it, switched it out to wash it and tried the Clapton 0.5.
The flavor was better, I agree with that, but the ramp up time is too long except that you raise the watts to 40+ and I don't like it that high, I know that in watts mode you can regulate the temp of the vapor with the strenght of the pull, but I like soft pulls, so I was comfortable between 20 and 30 but had to wait more than a second for the vapor to be at the desired temp. I guess that a 0.5 coil is not suitable for my vaping style but haven't tried higher ohms yet, I'll build a 1.x ohm to try.
What I like about TC is the consistency, the constant temp no matter how you draw and the almost nonexistent ramp up time, and by the time I didn't notice the taste of nickel.
But I'm pretty inexperienced, let's see where I end up in a while.
That's the fun part of vaping, you have almost infinite setups and liquid mixes to explore.

 

[mcclintock]

I'm thinking in my own case, I tend to vape until it starts tasting bad due to overuse. If I can stop a few drags short of that, will be much better. There's a limit to how much OMG-that's-good to be expected.

I think aftertaste is one issue that might keep non-smokers away from vaping, while smokers are more used to it.

 

[Rickajho]

The one thing about this situation I don't think anyone touched on is:

... since I got them about 10 days ago, never touched a cigarette again.

Don't know how much or how long you smoked. Regardless, that's way early into being completely off cigarettes to over-think "what is wrong with not being able to create storm clouds with my PV?" Different people have different issues with how their body reacts to quitting smoking. Some have problems with clearing out their lungs and coughing up 'goo' for months. Some - not so much. Some people get sore throats and increased phlegm production from quitting smoking - not from starting vaping.

If you are in this phase, you throw something new at your lungs/throat with vaping - and then you up the ante by throwing a lot more at it... Trying to "fix the vape" might be a bit premature. For some people it's just an insult to injury issue.You may simply need to back off from the GS tank while your body is dealing with the quitting smoking thing you just did.

Yeah - there can be such a thing as too much of a good thing in vaping on occasions. (Somebody had to say it.) Tweak the PG/VG ratio and try the suggestions but just keep in mind the "insult to injury" question for now. The only fix might be going through a healing process.

 

[memeticengineone]

I can offer that I only vape 100% VG and that there is sometimes some flavor saturation, especially if e liquid leaks from my tank into my mouth when the coil is on its last legs, but that it goes away easily after drinking a glass of water.

Your taste buds may well be coming back to life after smoking analogs for so long. Vaping can overwhelm them and I would recommend mixing your own e liquid at a lower flavoring percentage, and without sweetener. I DIY my juices and find that I usually use less flavoring than the manufacturers recommend.

 

[djsvapour]

The famous eGo e-cigarette was enough to help many people finally quit; me included after a disastrous and traumatic period using cig-a-likes that promised so much, delivered so little and were just an excuse to take the money out of my pocket.

Now, for a more controversial comment. E-cigs (decent ones) are good at delivering nicotine, but they are getting very high powered and people are vaping very low nicotine liquids. I keep hearing how "12mg was too much" and "never use more than 6mg in a subohm device" and these comments are not quite telling the real story. The recent investigation by the BBC (there is a thread on this forum about it "e-cigs - miracle or menace?") pretty much concluded experienced vapers use lower nicotine and are NOT matching the nicotine found in cigarettes. So, with this in mind, I recommend using higher strength liquid if you are really struggling. Sure, 3 tank-fulls of 12mg liquid might seem a lot of nicotine, but if the blood levels are low and the vaper is unable to extract the full amount in the liquid, we should not be scared of vaping higher nicotine at the beginning.

Just a thought there...

 

[Hitmetwice]

It may be and probably is one of the solutions mentioned above. However, if you really want to discover whether the culprit is PG exclusively OR PG exclusively, simply purchase a small bottle of each PG and VG, USP grade of course. Fill up a tank and vape the pure unflavoured for a few hours/couple tanks. Take note of the effect. Then, after your mouth is back to normal(whatever your normal is), try it with the other base for a while.

After this experiment you will know for sure if the issue is in fact caused by the PG or the VG or if it is the vapers tounge or possibly flavourings causing it.

At least you will be able to rule out a couple possibilities. Cheers.

 

[BrotherBob]

I guess that a 0.5 coil is not suitable for my vaping

You may be coating your mouth with thick dense flavoring.
Might want to do non sub-ohm first. You will get great flavor but the cloud production (coating of mouth reduced) is not as intense as you can produce with sub ohm'g.
Could look into the pros and cons of sub ohm'g vs non sub ohm'g before you decide which way you want to go. Some folks jump right into sub ohm'g without looking at the hidden ramifications.Successful sub ohm'rs tend to know the ins and outs of vaping. That's why sub ohm'g is tag as advanced vaping.
I'm at: high ohm ,MTL, low watt vaping Magma/Origen V3 deep well RDA's. Maximum taste and minimum e-liquid (I DIY) consumption, and this seems to be my sweet spot. The deep well and settings above give a good 45 min. to hour vape without re filling. Virtually next to nothing costs on wire and new rayon wick.
When starting your vape low, I find that the wattage that works for me is usually 1 to 2 watts over the lowest watt setting (where i can barely see the vape cloud on the exhale). Lower watt settings lessen the chance of burning the liquid and generates the best flavor IMO. This formula applies to non sub ohm'g (1.0 ohm is iffy non sub ohm'g--2.0 ohm's here).
After I get my Atty (coil and chamber heat up) going for awhile, I will often times turn the mod down a watt or so to see if I can taste more flavor. I'm often surprised at how much better the vape is by lowering the vape temp/wattage.
In General
Higher Ohm Coils/Lower Wattage Vaping Will:
Heat The Coil Slower, Which Will Produce “Less” Vapor
Provide A “Cooler” tasting vape, may produce more flavor.
May Use Less E-Juice (>$)
Prolong Battery Life (>$)
Prolong Coil Life (>$)
Prolong Wick Life (>$)
May Result in Less PV Maintenance/Issues
Less irritation to non vaporers
Aids stealth vaping
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