throat hit additive

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bonniegirl

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This is a valuable discussion as (for some) throat hit can be the "deal breaker" between analogs and effective vaping. I am a vaping consultant. I visit Doctors offices, teach them about electronic cigarettes and vaping, share research and expert opinions of prominent Public Health Physicians and try to dispel some of the many misnomers and misconceptions about using PVs as a substitute/alternative to combustible nicotine use. With that said, I have personally seen and counseled 100s of smokers and have watched, listened and learned about what we as vapers call the "throat hit" effect. I am a registered nurse and have been published in the area of addiction and was a 2+ PPD smoker for 35 years. After trying EVERY viable alternative and cessation device, I have been smoke free for over 2 years and have been vaping for close to 3 years.
That being said, I will give my opinion on this issue. Throat hit is one of several satisfaction issues for vapers. To achieve a satisfactory TH one must have an ability to pull enough vaper into the throat to achieve it. Many variables have an effect. One of those is pulmonary function. A long time smoker with decreased lung function may not be able to pull enough vaper into the throat to achieve satisfaction. In those instances, increasing voltage to allow for a larger volume with a shorter pull is many times the answer. Having pulmonary strength or those with good lung function and those whom have smoked for shorter periods of time or in lesser amounts, may be "binge" smokers. These smokers use cigarettes fewer times per day but use a higher tar content or hit the cigarette harder and smoke down to the filter or use filter-less cigarettes. A warmer vape with higher nic may be the answer for those in this category. Cartomizers have a somewhat warmer vaping experience and as such may increase the sensation of the products of combustion at the back of the throat.
In my opinion, I would NEVER vape anything with capsaicin. This product derived from chili peppers is used in research to induce coughing in subjects to assess the efficacy of cough medications or asthma drugs. An easy to read article about this can be found here.
http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/Capgen.pdf
http://datasheets.scbt.com/sc-3577.pdf
An abstract of capsaicin use to induce cough reflex can be found here
Voluntary suppression of cough induced by inhalati... [Respir Med. 1993] - PubMed result
IMO, adding this pepper could irritate the lining of the throat, bronchial and pulmonary tissue. At the least, addition of capsaicin could cause increased coughing. I suggest that anyone having issues about an unsatisfactory vaping experience and increased desire to use analogs should post in the "ask the veterans" forum. There is much to be learned from other vapers with lengthy experience and like issues when seeking their "holy grail" of vaping; The right hardware at the right voltage with the right nic liquid. Chances are someone with much experience has had the same issues you have and can help find a viable solution which is the least harmful for you.
I am aware that there are people who disagree and I respectfully agree to disagree. Please respect me for my opinion as that is what it is, based on the science I can find and the conclusions I have drawn from the science, my experiences with patients and my own vaping experience. In other words, please save the arguments for others as I have no desire to argue. I only wish to share my experiences and opinions. Unless there is viable scientific research to show me that it is safe to add this ingredient to e-liquid, I choose to not add it. I choose to use as limited a number of ingredients as necessary with which to get a satisfactory vaping experience.
I believe adequate throat hit can be achieved in other ways which do not require an additional chemical or additive in the e-liquid.
 
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I've been tasting a bunch of flavors on an 801, long atty so they all taste very mild and cool compared to my 808. A bunch I tried had basically no TH, but one with a little of champagne flavoring did. Of course it has ethyl alcohol in it, but it also has PG. I had only like 2 drops in 2ml and it was noticeable, so maybe it is better than PGA. It's pure speculation on my part though because I haven't used PGA.

Google 'Qhit', it should work from the reviews. I won't link because it is another forum.

Isn't ethyl alcohol and PGA one the same?
 
Isn't ethyl alcohol and PGA one the same?

Yes, sorry if what I wrote is confusing. I believe they are the same, and people aren't using 100% pure grain alcohol anyhow.

I guess I "have tried PGA" insomuch as I used a very small amount of champagne flavoring. I haven't added 10% PGA to mixes or whatever. They don't sell Everclear in PA and I'm not in a huge hurry to try it.

I made a small DIY mix of:

2ml base, about 18mg nic and 75/25 PG/VG
4 drops Flavor Apprentice Honeysuckle
2 drops FlvApp Champagne
2 drops sucralose (sweetener)

If it is about 20 drops = 1ml, the champagne flavoring made up about 4% of the mix. The flavoring has "artificial flavor", PG, and ethyl alcohol listed as ingredients - what percents I have no clue. Maybe the ethyl alcohol part only made up like 3% of my mix. I'll try to remember to ask TFA what % some time.

This gave me a noticeable throat hit versus some other mixes I made at the time, definitely not harsh though. How does it compare to other options? I have no clue, just speculating that it might be better than adding PGA alone. I'll try some higher concentrations by itself but probably won't have PGA anytime soon. It could be something for you guys to try since it is only like $1.50 for 4-6ml. The flavoring alone smells like booze, barely like champagne or wine and is almost clear.
 

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My order should, I repeat should, arrive tomorrow based on the tracking info.
Meanwhile, I found this guy doing a review of Throat hit plus:
YouTube - Joye 510, Throat hit plus, and Viking vapor review

Says he quit analogs, went to 0 nic and used TH plus to try and mimic the real thing.
Some unrelated stuff there but worth a watch.
 

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bonniegirl, thanks for the excellent post - interesting connecting the style of smoker with the way to satisfy them - makes a lot of sense.

Aprioristic - I loved the Romanian video -ff to where you suggested and just laughed! In spite of his coughing and looked like eye watering and general suffering, he just kept on pulling hard on that ecig. So funny.
 

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I just tried some: 1mL plain PG + 1 drop DV Diablo Loco flavoring = about 3% concentration.

Aye Chee-Wah-Wah... the throat hit is definitely there, but 3% may be a bit much! A lot bit too much, I think. The throat hit assault is immediate but fades quickly. The sensation in the lungs lasts longer, unfortunately. And there's a nose hit. Kinda like snorting horseradish fumes.

Oh, and when you get done coughing up your toenails, the head rush is a bonus feature. :blink:

This ought to go well with Atomic Cinnacide.

LMAO! your funny :)
 
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