Throat hit ?
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Thanks - think I'll keep experimenting. I'm using an SI Volt. I think it's 3.7 and all my liquids are 24 mg nic, they vary from 80/20 to 50/50. The 80/20 is pretty close to what I'm looking for, so I'll stick with that and higher. Thanks again. This is trickier than I expected!
Flash is an ingredient that is meant improve TH in juice.Here you go
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It is meant to use during the making of the juice. If you were to add it to an already made juice you would probably have to add an amount that would most likely diminish the flavor for the TH improvement to be meaningful.
No need to apologize. you are free to disagree.
Respectfully, as I do agree with your voltage ( well more wattage) statements,and that should have been #2 of 4, I have to disagree, bassed on my own experiences, with your discrediting the rest of mine. They are all factors that play a part in the end result starting with nic level creating the majority of the TH and ending with wattage accentuating the TH.I will admit there are a few exceptions to the rule but all are factors.Besides, I'm pretty sure my opinions are widely recognized with most vapers so I dont feel alone in this.
I have vaped different nic levels but when I switch I stay at that level for a while.The juices that come from my favorite vendor, I cant vape above 7 watts due to how the juices are made. Most others I vape 8-9 and a couple at 10.
Plain and simple,nic level and wattage aside. If you take a bunch of juice at the same nic level and vape them at the same wattage the throat hit will vary drastically from juice to juice because they are all made with different ratios of different ingredients.
So although you bring up a good point, respectfully, I have to vehemently disagree with there being only 2 factors. Sorry
You never outlined your experience but based on your join date, I have to believe you have been vaping for less than 6 months. I have read thousands of posts on this topic for over two years, as well as talked to scores of vapers personally at variouse "vape meets". Based on that and my own experience, I'm quite sure my assessment is correct.
And I never stated that TH is only due to two things, but that warmth of the vapor and nicotine strength are the two main ingredients of good throat hit. You can get bad, burning, scratchy throat sensation from additives such as pepper but that is not what constitutes good throat hit. When warmer vapor, as a result of better batteries, and higher nicotine strength, account for the largest part of "good" throat hit, having newbies buy scores of different liquids or add additives such as PGA, just lead to wasted money and fruatration.
Regardless of join date I assure you my experience is extensive:
Maybe less extensive than you perhaps, but extensive non the less.I dont think you need 15 devices as a requisite to having an intelligent view on this matter.
To be clear I am not telling anyone to buy or add anything. I was simply listing factors in juices bought.I assumed that was where the OP was coming from.
Also to be clear, the only parts of your statement I disagree with is the fact you think the factors I listed have nothing to do with TH and the fact you said "There are only TWO things that provides 90-95% of throat hit". So I also thought the rest was correct. I just think you leave alot out making me also correct.
I am very surprised that anyone would disagree that a VG juice has a drastically different TH than PG.
I am always up for a good debate but I'm sure you can do it in a manor that doesn't belittle me or my experience as part of your defense.Otherwise this will start to feel an awful lot like a p***ing contest and I will not participate.I'm sure you understand.
I respect your opinion,I would like to think you respect mine as well but it is tough to tell at this point.
Maybe less extensive than you perhaps, but extensive non the less.I dont think you need 15 devices as a requisite to having an intelligent view on this matter.
To be clear I am not telling anyone to buy or add anything. I was simply listing factors in juices bought.I assumed that was where the OP was coming from.
Also to be clear, the only parts of your statement I disagree with is the fact you think the factors I listed have nothing to do with TH and the fact you said "There are only TWO things that provides 90-95% of throat hit". So I also thought the rest was correct. I just think you leave alot out making me also correct.
I am very surprised that anyone would disagree that a VG juice has a drastically different TH than PG.
I am always up for a good debate but I'm sure you can do it in a manor that doesn't belittle me or my experience as part of your defense.Otherwise this will start to feel an awful lot like a p***ing contest and I will not participate.I'm sure you understand.
I respect your opinion,I would like to think you respect mine as well but it is tough to tell at this point.
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No disrespect intended. But there are just too many vapers with years of experience that have found that those two parts of the "throat hit" equation are the two main providers of throat hit. If you could get great throat hit by just increasing the amount of PG, by adding PGA or switching eliquids, we would all be vaping on 3.7 volt PV's, plain and simple.
You obviously are not one of them, but I find too many people make recommendations on throat hit who have never vaped on anything but a 3.2 - 3.7 volt PV. That makes little sense to me.
I also noted that you stated you would not recommend increasing the nic strength to provide better throat hit. So your overall post led the person to believe his only option was adjusting the PG or additives to the liquid or a different liquid. Inferring that liquid composition is the route to good throat hit, when all the evidence from well seasoned vapers says the opposite, was my issue.
O I C. I only put 'not recommended' in an attempt to be responsible. I did put at #1 to suggest it was the most effective and The PG/VG ratio fact was meant not to say the PG adds TH but the VG will get in the way of it.
None of my info was meant to say to add anything but was to explain what in juices he can buy, is responsible for TH nic, ratios and additives. I have no intention of getting into DIY with a noob
I can see how it got misunderstood.I could have been more clear but I try to keep it as simple as posible for noobs so as not to overload them with info.You remember how it can be at first.
None of my info was meant to say to add anything but was to explain what in juices he can buy, is responsible for TH nic, ratios and additives. I have no intention of getting into DIY with a noob
I can see how it got misunderstood.I could have been more clear but I try to keep it as simple as posible for noobs so as not to overload them with info.You remember how it can be at first.
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The throat it has to do mostly with 3 things.
1) nic level, but I wouldn't suggest increasing the nic for better TH.
2) pg/vg ratio. The more the VG the less the TH. less flavor too. most find 80PG/20VG to be a nice balance since you want some VG for more vapor.
3) There are some liquids that have added food grade ingredients to add throat hit, like: Qhit, Flash, Capsiacin extract( I'm pretty sure the last one is mostly just used in DIY juices,a trick of the trade, as opposed to finding it in juices you buy from vendors).
The flavor has little or no effect on throat hit except maybe menthol juices.
Hope this helps
Happy Vaping
I have tried all these things and none have worked for me, th is the most important thing to me and I would pay big money for a great tobacco flavor at 6mg with a great th.
O I C. I only put 'not recommended' in an attempt to be responsible. I did put at #1 to suggest it was the most effective and The PG/VG ratio fact was meant not to say the PG adds TH but the VG will get in the way of it.
None of my info was meant to say to add anything but was to explain what in juices he can buy, is responsible for TH nic, ratios and additives. I have no intention of getting into DIY with a noob
I can see how it got misunderstood.I could have been more clear but I try to keep it as simple as posible for noobs so as not to overload them with info.You remember how it can be at first.
That's why to me, the simple path to better throat hit (as well as the most effective) is simply warmer vaper (5 volt or variable volt PV's) and higher nic strength: simple, to the point and accurate. Plus you don't have to search and scratch around for the "elusive" so-called eliquid solution. It works with any eliquid.
I completely understand your situation. If you move up to a 5 volt or variable volt PV and use liquid in the 24-36mg range, you should the best throat hit you can get from vaping.
Trying to find a better liquid for TH or putting in additives is comparable to those magic additives to put in your car's gas tank to give you an extra 10 miles to the gallion in gas efficiency. If it worked, everyone would be doing it.
We always agreed on your point. I just think there is more to the juice than you negated. Take AVE VG for instance. The TH can be a lil too much at higher wattage 18mg and up where as KBV VG has virtually none. I think it is unfair to tell a noob it is hopeless to find a good TH unless they vape high nic at high wattage.
This topic can get very involved. PV's, atty, cartos, LR, HV PG,VG etc. I was purposely trying to focus on what he was asking about,the juice to keep it simple.
My original post has been amended to clarify where I was coming from.
I hope you see my point.
This topic can get very involved. PV's, atty, cartos, LR, HV PG,VG etc. I was purposely trying to focus on what he was asking about,the juice to keep it simple.
My original post has been amended to clarify where I was coming from.
I hope you see my point.
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I kept searching for a strong throat hit and found what I needed in higher voltage and 36mg juice. Now that I'm completely away from analogs I have found that that combo to be to strong. May just be me but after a week without analogs TH from vaping got stronger.
I give up. Just be careful. At 5v you are vaping more and at 36mg it is the nic equivalent of almost 4 packs of cigaretes at moderate vaping(2mls) per day. It is not cigarrettes but is not without it's risks either in that range.
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