Tired of fruit/candy flavors, can' find any good tasting tobacco

[Str8vision]

One thing I an wondering about. Is since the TA is extracted from tobacco leaves which are chemically treated during growth. Would those chemicals be extracted out and be in the TA liquid?

We all quit smokeing to rid out lungs from the smoke tar and 100's of bad chemicals. I don't want to start back up with any of those bad chemicals. Thats one reason I DIY, I know what goes into my juice,PG,VG,Flavor, and Nic.

Edited: After posting this I str8vision's thread Tobacco extraction using heated Ethanol, it had a link inwhich NET was studied. Most of that link is "over my head"> Nicotine Levels and Presence of Selected Tobacco-Derived Toxins in Tobacco Flavoured Electronic Cigarette Refill Liquids.

If anyone has read the report and understands it, can you explain it in lamens terms. Does extracting tobacco leaves extract tobacco's cancer causing bad chemicals and toxins?

The lead researcher, Dr Farsalinos, summarized the lab analysis of NETs as follows;

"The study verified that tobacco-derived toxins are lower by orders of magnitude in e-liquids compared to tobacco products. Characteristically, nitrosamines were 146-1447 times lower in e-liquids compared to tobacco products (in 1 mL liquid compared to 1 gram of tobacco), while nitrate was 1360 times lower. NET liquids contained somewhat higher levels of tobacco-derived toxins compared to conventional e-liquids, but the levels were still significantly lower compared to tobacco. Deviation from labeled nicotine content was on average 5.9% for conventional e-liquids and 1.5% for NETs, with maximum deviation being 22.1%. Interestingly, no difference between conventional liquids and NETs were observed, indicating that the flavor extraction process does not lead to extraction of nicotine from the tobacco leaves."

My take; The NET we make is hundreds of times less toxic that the tobacco it was derived from. To put it a different way, you can vape NET for an entire year and still not be exposed to the level of toxins a smoker is in a single day. Not to mention since you aren't -burning- the tobacco the potent carcinogens associated with "smoking" (Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs)) aren't generated in the first place. PAHs aren't found in tobacco but are actually generated when tobacco (or any organic matter) is -burned- so are present only in the "smoke". Even so, vaping isn't 100% safe, it's just "by orders of magnitude" less harmful than smoking.

 

[charly1954]

Tks for the input. Yes I know vaping is way less if not 100% less harmful than smoking, thats why we are all vaping. Bottom line I guess I wanted to know if vaping juice w/TA has any of the cancer causing toxins in it that are in analogs. It sounds like you are saying since the toxins are not burnt they can't do harm like cause cancer. I'm a little skeptical on that but since I'm not a scientist I can't say it can happen.

No one knows how much of the cancer causing toxins in analogs it takes to cause cancer, just that they can. If it only takes a small amount then maybe if that small amount is in TA it still could cause cancer vaping it.

Example of what I'm trying to say: Say there's 1 gram of toxin A in a pack of analogs and .001 grams of toxin A in 1 ml of E-juice w/TA. You would have to vap 1000 ml to get the equivilant amount contained in a pack of smokes. Even though its a very small amount, no one knows how much of it a person would have to vap to harm them or cause cancer. Even saying all that I still want to try some tobacco flavors with TA.

Thats what my post is about, I need to find a good tobacco flavored juice so I can keep my real smoke cravings at bay. Vaping sweet juice like fruit, candy, desert, etc flavors is just not 100% nullifying those cravings.

 

[dannyv45]

Tks for the input. Yes I know vaping is way less if not 100% less harmful than smoking, thats why we are all vaping. Bottom line I guess I wanted to know if vaping juice w/TA has any of the cancer causing toxins in it that are in analogs. It sounds like you are saying since the toxins are not burnt they can't do harm like cause cancer. I'm a little skeptical on that but since I'm not a scientist I can't say it can happen.

No one knows how much of the cancer causing toxins in analogs it takes to cause cancer, just that they can. If it only takes a small amount then maybe if that small amount is in TA it still could cause cancer vaping it.

Example of what I'm trying to say: Say there's 1 gram of toxin A in a pack of analogs and .001 grams of toxin A in 1 ml of E-juice w/TA. You would have to vap 1000 ml to get the equivilant amount contained in a pack of smokes. Even though its a very small amount, no one knows how much of it a person would have to vap to harm them or cause cancer. Even saying all that I still want to try some tobacco flavors with TA.

Thats what my post is about, I need to find a good tobacco flavored juice so I can keep my real smoke cravings at bay. Vaping sweet juice like fruit, candy, desert, etc flavors is just not 100% nullifying those cravings.

I think your take on this is right on point so you can now confidently weigh your options (Hangsen or extracts).

 

[Arriss]

Appears I have the same issue, first time vaping, I enjoyed fruity flavors, over time I began craving analogs due to tobacco flavor, but have not found one similar to analogs I was smoking. So, now I vape pg/vg only, thus far keeping me off the analogs, but now I have to figure out below 1mg nic levels.

 

[Exchaner]

I haven't tried V2's zig zag, but their Red flavor is made using Hangsen's Elder Captain. Used to be my favorite.