Tired of reading threads that bash gotvapes.

[Sense Field]

ITS COMING VERY VERY VERY SOON

Many many months of hard work and retooling and reworking by a great European company
They have been ridden like a horse, they will trample onto the scene very very soon.

This better be good! You told me about these almost a year ago In a PM.

I have some friends that call me Stallion..Italian from Philly...go figure.

 

[priorities]

Goodness I want to DITTO this sentiment..........! So so true....!

++++ infinity!!! And this works on so many levels....not just GV haters....but life in general. Hate seeing so much negativity these days!

 

[dannoman]

I understand sense, very good post. Let me explain about me talking politics in that side note. Its an election year and the topic will be broached. Most in the vaping community are fairly mature and I respect their ability to hear a side comment that may challenge their thinking on something and be able to handle it : ). When I do make a comment like that I try to couch it with a smile that signals to those reading it, that it is my opinion and I respect theirs (read: I try not to be obnoxious about it : )...But one thing you will notice in our forum is we speak like family here, we engage forum members in a non-patronizing fashion, we just enjoy mixing it up with fellow forum members who may also be our customers.

Our OEM branding is just not about us going into Photoshop and makign a snazzy presentation box with our own branding. We do that AFTER we have actually engaged the manufacturer in a meaningful way and helped and assisted them with tweaking the product and even making suggestions that are implemented from whole cloth. It all started with the FLüXomizer which was a product resulting from Chris (and others) in the old CE thread twisting some arms and talking Martinez into making a production clear cartomizer and it goes from there. Branding shows our intense interest and buy-in into the product and the manufacturer, and our close involvement with them. Branding lets the consumer know they are getting the product as intended from the original manufacturer, who is daily and actively working with GotVapes (and that means YOU, loyal customers who provide invaluable feedback and who we involve in the product in many ways) even after a launch. The consumer isn't faced with a confusing array of vendor options, some who may be selling a good product, some who may have bought a knock-off. With our branding they know for sure what they are getting.

 

[Sense Field]

Our OEM branding is just not about us going into Photoshop and makign a snazzy presentation box with our own branding. We do that AFTER we have actually engaged the manufacturer in a meaningful way and helped and assisted them with tweaking the product and even making suggestions that are implemented from whole cloth. It all started with the FLüXomizer which was a product resulting from Chris (and others) in the old CE thread twisting some arms and talking Martinez into making a production clear cartomizer and it goes from there. Branding shows our intense interest and buy-in into the product and the manufacturer, and our close involvement with them. Branding lets the consumer know they are getting the product as intended from the original manufacturer, who is daily and actively working with GotVapes (and that means YOU, loyal customers who provide invaluable feedback and who we involve in the product in many ways) even after a launch. The consumer isn't faced with a confusing array of vendor options, some who may be selling a good product, some who may have bought a knock-off. With our branding they know for sure what they are getting.

Hey Dan,

First off...I've been buying from you guys for awhile. Chris at one point seemed to think I had something against you guys...but we cleared that up. I never did...I may have deleted some posts on my videos from Chris, but I delete all vender comments. Venders aren't allowed to comment on my videos, and they aren't allowed to friend me on youtube either. I'm just tough on venders because it's my "job" to be critical. I imagine, as a reviewer it's better to be critical then a fan boy. It keeps everyone in check, but of course it doesn't always make people want to send me stuff for review...so it ends up costing me more money then others.

That said...I talk to a lot of venders, particularly over the phone. Sometimes I can't get them off the phone! While I know that you guys have an imitate level of input on the products you sell, others do also. I'm not talking about all venders, there are a lot that just buy stuff, sometimes before the product is ready to be sold...but there are other venders out there who have also had a high level of input into the products that you guys have worked on. Hell, I actually have input into some devices that I get before hitting the market. I had the first iTaste in the states...and I told them they had to take that voltage limit off. Had to make a video for them to show them the issue in action.

So, I guess what I'm saying is...when dealing with china...nothing they say is always 100% true and others are also sometimes involved. There have been times when I talk to three or four venders and they all tell me that they are the ones who fixed this or that.

Again...this isen't a universal truth...there are things that I'm sure are completely your projects or perhaps other vender's projects. I'm also sure there is more to all this then I'm privy to, but like I said, a lot of venders talk to me about what they are working on and what is coming out soon.

Anyway...I'm looking forward to next week...should be a lot of exciting new stuff.

 

[Briar]

... But what I can tell you from five years on campaigns for republicans is that...surprise! They spend the majority of their time feeding the American public complete lies.

Not saying that the dems don't also...the dems are just stupid and have no grasp on how to run a winning campaign or how to appeal to their base.

I swear, if everyone knew what I know...you would all look at both parties and our whole election system differently. ...

Heh. Exactly my opinion, though based on outside observation.

On the other hand, I would never vote for the Reps, because their ideology is abhorrent to me on the ethical and humanistic level - but I still love Danno!!! (hey, everyone has a right to be wrong once in a while ) Besides, I don't like Obama either - I voted for Hilary!

... Nonetheless...got vapes got where they are by branding everything and using marketing techniques that keep them in control of the content. They post first videos of products...not reviewers. They show first pics. They show bits here and there, which arouses curiosity and anticipation...and of course...when someone tells you something is good...even of you are being sold something, you believe it as a consumer. Advertising

I don't know about that... To me advertising = propaganda, and I despise propaganda and brainwashing of all kinds. I won't say I am immune to it - that's almost impossible for a human being - but because of the circumstances of my early upbringing I have learned to be crassly cynical about it.

If anything, heavy propaganda will turn me off. I'd sit there and say to myself, yeah, right, tell me another one...

You know what matters to me a lot more than pretty boxes and any kind of fluff anyone can throw at me?

Educational videos matter - boy, do I (and lots of newbies, i'm sure) appreciate that! Cool new toys and developed products that work well - which, by any reasonable measure they do. Sane web site that's easy to navigate and doesn't overwhelm me with silly moving graphics - if I want blinking lights and weird aliens I'll watch a sci-fi movie, thank you very much. The fact that owners are always present on the forum, willing to answer questions, helpful, and know their stuff - and the fact that they seem to be nice guys doesn't hurt either. Finally, the sense of community and personal attitude - I am not just another twenty dollar bill here, and Dan and Chris are not just another hand reaching into my pocket, and I like that, I've been treated as a non-person too many times in this world, and I am damn tired of it.

These are the things that make a "fangirl".

The anticipation games are cute, and I enjoy them as much as anyone - I guess that's one piece of advertising, if you can call it that, that, like a book with cliff-hanger, keeps me turning the pages. I am too curious not be somewhat beguiled by that... (now what is that Stallion thing???)

 

[SuperLuckyLady]

Briar: "On the other hand, I would never vote for the Reps, because their ideology is abhorrent to me on the ethical and humanistic level.' I'm with you all the way on that one my dear.

But yeah, some of my friends are republicans. Sigh. Nice people, they just have this one BIG blind spot. It's sad really.

 

[tinajfreeman]

Briar: "On the other hand, I would never vote for the Reps, because their ideology is abhorrent to me on the ethical and humanistic level.' I'm with you all the way on that one my dear.

But yeah, some of my friends are republicans. Sigh. Nice people, they just have this one BIG blind spot. It's sad really.

Same here.

 

[taxman32]

Love the way you think Danno! Even if we are less than human and unethetical. Now would someone help this blind die hard Republican and direct me to the rebuildable Stardusts.
Seems I can't locate them. I love Capitalism!

 

[SuperLuckyLady]

I love well-regulated capitalism!

GotVapes VISION Replaceable Stardust 1.6ml With Twist-On 2.8ohm [gv-RebuildableSTARDUST-1.6ml-2.8] - $7.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more

 

[Sense Field]

I don't know about that... To me advertising = propaganda, and I despise propaganda and brainwashing of all kinds. I won't say I am immune to it - that's almost impossible for a human being - but because of the circumstances of my early upbringing I have learned to be crassly cynical about it.

If anything, heavy propaganda will turn me off. I'd sit there and say to myself, yeah, right, tell me another one...

Advertising is not always propaganda, though propaganda is always advertising. The purpose of propaganda is to influence by providing only the facts that suport the cause, leaving out any fact that does not. Generally this is political advertising, and the media is used to push this point through opinion based shows that are more influential then the real fact based news.

You know what matters to me a lot more than pretty boxes and any kind of fluff anyone can throw at me?

Educational videos matter - boy, do I (and lots of newbies, i'm sure) appreciate that! Cool new toys and developed products that work well - which, by any reasonable measure they do. Sane web site that's easy to navigate and doesn't overwhelm me with silly moving graphics - if I want blinking lights and weird aliens I'll watch a sci-fi movie, thank you very much. The fact that owners are always present on the forum, willing to answer questions, helpful, and know their stuff - and the fact that they seem to be nice guys doesn't hurt either. Finally, the sense of community and personal attitude - I am not just another twenty dollar bill here, and Dan and Chris are not just another hand reaching into my pocket, and I like that, I've been treated as a non-person too many times in this world, and I am damn tired of it.

The pretty boxes and names is just branding. It's great actually, they place the biggest order, so they get the product first. Having the product first allows them to name it and introduce it to the community. Because they name it, the whole community starts calling it what they named it (Stardust?). When someone searches for Stardust, they come to GotVapes. Others can't use the name because GotVapes made it up. It's genius really, I know Dan use to run an advertising company and he should be submitting the gotvapes work to the addy awards.

The community here is social marketing, it creates brand advocates. Brand advocates build the gotvapes brand through word of mouth and stand up for the brand against detractors. Don't get me wrong, Dan and Chris care about everyone here a lot, but their main strategy is to build a community here of repeat buyers and brand advocates. Again, they are better at this then anyone else.

These are the things that make a "fangirl".

The anticipation games are cute, and I enjoy them as much as anyone - I guess that's one piece of advertising, if you can call it that, that, like a book with cliff-hanger, keeps me turning the pages. I am too curious not be somewhat beguiled by that... (now what is that Stallion thing???)

That is advertising! Dropping bombs, here is a sneak peek, showing a product way before it comes out, keeping some product under wraps till right before they launch. In advertising, showing a close up of a product where the consumer can't see whole "picture" is a technique used to build anticipation, more anticipation than if they just showed us the whole product. These guys are great at it. Honestly, it's part of why I'm here...I admire the manner in which they have built this company because I myself am a "Mad Man" GotVapes, in my opinion, are the only ones doing this right.

All that said, at the start they did sell some products that were half baked. I know because I bought them. I think they realized this was a problem and did two things...they started testing things better...and now they have the alpha program that allows them to field test. And this is another reason I'm here...learning from past mistakes...I respect that.

Hope they don't hate me for talking about this stuff on this level!

 

[taxman32]

I love well-regulated capitalism!

GotVapes VISION Replaceable Stardust 1.6ml With Twist-On 2.8ohm [gv-RebuildableSTARDUST-1.6ml-2.8] - $7.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more

Thank you very much Morgan. I don't know why I had such a hard time finding them.

Thanks again!

 

[SuperLuckyLady]

Thank you very much Morgan. I don't know why I had such a hard time finding them.

Thanks again!

You're very welcome. I always use the search box in the upper right hand corner on the website - it's the only way I can find anything.

 

[Ctor]

I love well-regulated capitalism!

That is a prime example of an oxymoron.

 

[SuperLuckyLady]

That is a prime example of an oxymoron.

Oh no no no......

It's like a well-regulated militia...anything taken to extremes for pure greed and damn the consequences is not a good thing....witness the financial meltdown.....and human beings do tend to get greedy...

An oxymoron would be a compassionate conservative

 

[dannoman]

Hey Dan,

That said...I talk to a lot of venders, particularly over the phone. Sometimes I can't get them off the phone! While I know that you guys have an imitate level of input on the products you sell, others do also. I'm not talking about all venders, there are a lot that just buy stuff, sometimes before the product is ready to be sold...but there are other venders out there who have also had a high level of input into the products that you guys have worked on. Hell, I actually have input into some devices that I get before hitting the market. I had the first iTaste in the states...and I told them they had to take that voltage limit off. Had to make a video for them to show them the issue in action.

You cannot compare, on a commiserate level, what I was talking about VS "other vendors do that also...".

We seriously involve ourselves and maintain that involvement even before the product is launched, this is why, through branding we are proud to put our stamp on a product. The manufacturers are also very proud of their association with us with several front-lining their association with GotVapes on their site: This has happened with the Vision line, Phoenix line and MiT. So I don't think what you stated is a fair equivalency and it actually somewhat demeans our efforts in that area (I know that wasn't pre-meditated), so I can't leave what you said un-addressed, Chris and I have spent too many long-hour sessions and laboring over this stuff to do so and 'other' vendors and the vaping community have certainly benefitted from this.

 

[dannoman]

Thanks Morgan--that search box works magic : )

You're very welcome. I always use the search box in the upper right hand corner on the website - it's the only way I can find anything.

 

[dannoman]

lol ctor--figured out your signature Shakespearean equation : )

That is a prime example of an oxymoron.

 

[burns_erin]

Heh. Exactly my opinion, though based on outside observation.

On the other hand, I would never vote for the Reps, because their ideology is abhorrent to me on the ethical and humanistic level - but I still love Danno!!! (hey, everyone has a right to be wrong once in a while ) Besides, I don't like Obama either - I voted for Hilary!



I don't know about that... To me advertising = propaganda, and I despise propaganda and brainwashing of all kinds. I won't say I am immune to it - that's almost impossible for a human being - but because of the circumstances of my early upbringing I have learned to be crassly cynical about it.

If anything, heavy propaganda will turn me off. I'd sit there and say to myself, yeah, right, tell me another one...

You know what matters to me a lot more than pretty boxes and any kind of fluff anyone can throw at me?

Educational videos matter - boy, do I (and lots of newbies, i'm sure) appreciate that! Cool new toys and developed products that work well - which, by any reasonable measure they do. Sane web site that's easy to navigate and doesn't overwhelm me with silly moving graphics - if I want blinking lights and weird aliens I'll watch a sci-fi movie, thank you very much. The fact that owners are always present on the forum, willing to answer questions, helpful, and know their stuff - and the fact that they seem to be nice guys doesn't hurt either. Finally, the sense of community and personal attitude - I am not just another twenty dollar bill here, and Dan and Chris are not just another hand reaching into my pocket, and I like that, I've been treated as a non-person too many times in this world, and I am damn tired of it.

These are the things that make a "fangirl".

The anticipation games are cute, and I enjoy them as much as anyone - I guess that's one piece of advertising, if you can call it that, that, like a book with cliff-hanger, keeps me turning the pages. I am too curious not be somewhat beguiled by that... (now what is that Stallion thing???)

Everyone has their own personal lines in the sand. For me it is female body autonomy. For the most part Republicans are diametrically opposed to that, which is why I almost never vote for them.

 

[Sense Field]

You cannot compare, on a commiserate level, what I was talking about VS "other vendors do that also...".

We seriously involve ourselves and maintain that involvement even before the product is launched, this is why, through branding we are proud to put our stamp on a product. The manufacturers are also very proud of their association with us with several front-lining their association with GotVapes on their site: This has happened with the Vision line, Phoenix line and MiT. So I don't think what you stated is a fair equivalency and it actually somewhat demeans our efforts in that area (I know that wasn't pre-meditated), so I can't leave what you said un-addressed, Chris and I have spent too many long-hour sessions and laboring over this stuff to do so and 'other' vendors and the vaping community have certainly benefitted from this.

I certainly didn't mean to demean your effort. I agree that others benefit from your work. I am actually very thankful for what you've done with the Phoenix, it's the first and only clearo that I was ever very satisfied with (of course, I know others have enjoyed things beyond the Phoenix, but I'm talking about myself only).

Soooo...all I know is:

I've gotten, and sometimes still get, very early pre release versions/revisions of stuff that you guys carry and worked on, but I didn't get them from you guys, I get them from all sorts of random venders who send me stuff when I inquire if they have anything new. I actually have some stuff here right now that frankly, I'm not sure what the hell they are or who makes them...but they have been sitting here for weeks and I haven't seen them on anyone's site.

So, I guess for me, it's hard to say that all of the credit goes to just GotVapes. That said, I do respect the fact that you guys have taken such an active role in improving products, I really can't stress this enough through written words. I lurk your forums almost exclusively here on ECF.

Most venders, I imagine, are not mechanical engineers, so in the end at least some credit needs to be given to the guys in china who take all the feedback and make things better.

 

[Ctor]

lol ctor--figured out your signature Shakespearean equation : )

You're the first here to do so. What do I win? .